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Megatron said:
that crossover is set in 2007 in the Hasbroverse.

2006 was only Infiltration.

2007 is every other -astion comics + Maximum Dinobots

2008 to 2009 is All Hail Megatron.

from 2009 starts G. I. Joe and then you know the rest.

So you have to go from 2007 backwords.
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194?
WildC.A.T.s/X-Men #1, "The Golden Age"

Year -25: 1971
Team X/Team 7 #1, "All Sold Out"

Year -5: 1991
Darkseid vs. Galactus #1, "The Hunger"

1961-1963 (Year 1: 1996)
The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman #1, "Double Lives" (Flashbacks)
WildC.A.T.s/X-Men #2, "The Silver Age"

1964-1967 (Year 2: 1997)
Almanaque do O Globo Juvenil #1964C, "The Return of a Grand Hero"

1976-1979 (Year 5: 2000)
Superman vs The Amazing Spider-Man #1, "The Battle of the Century"
WildC.A.T.s/X-Men #3, "The Modern Age"
Pow! Biff! Pops! #1

1980-1983 (Year 6: 2001)
Marvel Treasury Edition #28, "Superman and Spider-Man"
Bat Man vs. The Incredible Hulk #1, "The Monster and the Madman"
The Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans #1, "Apokolips... Now!"
Deathblow/Wolverine #1 (Places itself in 1982)
Deathblow/Wolverine #2

1992-1995 (Year 9: 2004)
Batman/Punisher #1, "Lake of Fire"
The Punisher Meets Archie #1, "When Worlds Collide"
Punisher/Batman #1, "Deadly Knights"
Spider-Man and Batman #1, "Disordered Minds"
Batman & Spider-Man #1, "New Age Dawning"

1996-1999 (Year 10: 2005)
Badrock/Wolverine #1, "Savaged"
Backlash/Spider-Man #1
Backlash/Spider-Man #2
Spider-Man/Gen¹³ #1, "Crossed Generations"
Daredevil and Batman #1, "Eye for an Eye"
Daredevil/Shi #1, "Blind Faith"
Shi/Daredevil #1, "Honor Thy Mother"
Gladiator/Supreme #1, "False Gods"
Spider-Man/Badrock #1, "Crossing Over: Part 1 of 2"
Spider-Man/Badrock #2, "Crossing Over: Part 2 of 2"
Gen¹³/Generation X #1, "Generation Gap"
Generation X/ Gen¹³ #1, "Harvest of Evil!"
The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman #1, "Double Lives"

2000-2003 (Year 11: 2006)
Batman/Daredevil: King of New York #1, "King of New York"
Wolverine/Shi: Dark Night of Judgment #1
Shi/Wolverine: Judgment Night #1, "Judgment Night"
The Punisher/Painkiller Jane #1, "Lovesick"
Gen¹³/Fantastic Four #1, "Queelocke's Really Big New York Adventure!"

2004-2007 (Year 12: 2007)
Witchblade/Wolverine #1, "Bloody Wedding"
Darkness/The Incredible Hulk #1
Tutenstein #1
Darkness/Wolverine #1, "Old Wounds"
Cyberforce/X-Men #1
Witchblade/The Punisher #1, "Witchblade/The Punisher"
Unholy Union #1
The New Avengers/The Transformers #1, "Man and Machine: Part 1"
The New Avengers/The Transformers #2, "Man and Machine: Part 2"
The New Avengers/The Transformers #3, "Man and Machine: Part 3"
The New Avengers/The Transformers #4, "Man and Machine: Part 4"

2008-2011 (Year 13: 2008)
Magdalena/Daredevil #1, "The Devil in Longhand"
Fusion #1, "Gods and Monsters (Part 1)"
Fusion #2, "Gods and Monsters (Part 2)"
Fusion #3, "Gods and Monsters (Part 3)"

2012-2015 (Year 14: 2009)
Secret Wars #0, "Attack on Avengers"

2024-2027 (Year 17: 2012)
Deadpool/Batman #1
Batman/Deadpool #1

Year 31: 2026
X-Men/WildC.A.T.s #1, "The Dark Age" (Places itself in 2019) [Alternate Timeline]

That's how it would fit in with IDW... honestly, the Avengers could have died during All Hail Megatron based on that with no noticeable issues.
 
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ScottishRyzo said:
You're misunderstanding me

Like in previous crossovers with DC it's far more likely for them to create it's own verse for them to cohabitate in, if but briefly. This isn't just some crossover with Hasbro we're talking about. There's no way Morrison is going to write this and have it be part of some generic crossover Earth someone's already done and not one created specifically for the upcoming series of crossovers
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Mm... nah, I think it'll still be Earth-7642. I don't see how the lore of this will be so big as to invalidate itself as being part of that reality unless there's some major events like permanently injuring/killing characters.
 
Pro Bot said:
Mm... nah, I think it'll still be Earth-7642. I don't see how the lore of this will be so big as to invalidate itself as being part of that reality unless there's some major events like permanently injuring/killing characters.
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Morrison isn't going to care about the continuity of a reality they probably dont even remember existing that would only serve to limit the narrative choices available to them when they could just create their own fresh reality like the last time marvel and DC crossed over and ignored Earth-7642 completely because it would've meant tying them down to the continuity of previous crossovers

Since when has Morrison ever prioritised established canon by other writers over their own personal vision for a story
 
ScottishRyzo said:
Morrison isn't going to care about the continuity of a reality they probably dont even remember existing that would only serve to limit the narrative choices available to them when they could just create their own fresh reality like the last time marvel and DC crossed over and ignored Earth-7642 completely because it would've meant tying them down to the continuity of previous crossovers
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1. Unless they actually do something to invalidate themselves, it's Earth-7642 until proven otherwise. That's just how it works, sorry to say. If the story doesn't do something to contradict itself being Earth-7642, then you'll have to concede to me. I think you're putting more faith into this actually being a huge story that deviates from the status quo too much.

2. The last time Marvel and DC crossed over and ignored Earth-7642? When was that, exactly? Because unless it was multiversal (not Earth-7642) or set in a distinct reality (the Captain America crossover set in the Batman/Superman: Generations universe), I can't recall a time when a Marvel and DC crossover contradicted Earth-7642.
 
All the comics in Earth-7642 are smaller stories that wouldn't hinder creative freedom and are far too "regular Earth" to be contradicted. This feels like a huge misunderstanding of what Earth-7642 even is to begin with. Basically none of the stories reference each other except for sequels and The Punisher Meets Archie comic (which apparently also takes place in Earth-616?) leading into the Punisher/Batman comic.
 
Pro Bot said:
194?
WildC.A.T.s/X-Men #1, "The Golden Age"

Year -25: 1971
Team X/Team 7 #1, "All Sold Out"

Year -5: 1991
Darkseid vs. Galactus #1, "The Hunger"

1961-1963 (Year 1: 1996)
The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman #1, "Double Lives" (Flashbacks)
WildC.A.T.s/X-Men #2, "The Silver Age"

1964-1967 (Year 2: 1997)
Almanaque do O Globo Juvenil #1964C, "The Return of a Grand Hero"

1976-1979 (Year 5: 2000)
Superman vs The Amazing Spider-Man #1, "The Battle of the Century"
WildC.A.T.s/X-Men #3, "The Modern Age"
Pow! Biff! Pops! #1

1980-1983 (Year 6: 2001)
Marvel Treasury Edition #28, "Superman and Spider-Man"
Bat Man vs. The Incredible Hulk #1, "The Monster and the Madman"
The Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans #1, "Apokolips... Now!"
Deathblow/Wolverine #1 (Places itself in 1982)
Deathblow/Wolverine #2

1992-1995 (Year 9: 2004)
Batman/Punisher #1, "Lake of Fire"
The Punisher Meets Archie #1, "When Worlds Collide" [Earth-616 Canon?]
Punisher/Batman #1, "Deadly Knights"
Spider-Man and Batman #1, "Disordered Minds"
Batman & Spider-Man #1, "New Age Dawning"

1996-1999 (Year 10: 2005)
Badrock/Wolverine #1, "Savaged"
Backlash/Spider-Man #1
Backlash/Spider-Man #2
Spider-Man/Gen¹³ #1, "Crossed Generations"
Daredevil and Batman #1, "Eye for an Eye"
Daredevil/Shi #1, "Blind Faith"
Shi/Daredevil #1, "Honor Thy Mother"
Gladiator/Supreme #1, "False Gods"
Spider-Man/Badrock #1, "Crossing Over: Part 1 of 2"
Spider-Man/Badrock #2, "Crossing Over: Part 2 of 2"
Gen¹³/Generation X #1, "Generation Gap"
Generation X/ Gen¹³ #1, "Harvest of Evil!"
The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman #1, "Double Lives"

2000-2003 (Year 11: 2006)
Batman/Daredevil: King of New York #1, "King of New York"
Wolverine/Shi: Dark Night of Judgment #1
Wolverine: Judgment Night #1, "Judgment Night"
The Punisher/Painkiller Jane #1, "Lovesick"
Gen¹³/Fantastic Four #1, "Queelocke's Really Big New York Adventure!"

2004-2007 (Year 12: 2007)
Witchblade/Wolverine #1, "Bloody Wedding"
Darkness/The Incredible Hulk #1
Tutenstein #1
Darkness/Wolverine #1, "Old Wounds"
Cyberforce/X-Men #1
Witchblade/The Punisher #1, "Witchblade/The Punisher"
Unholy Union #1
The New Avengers/The Transformers #1, "Man and Machine: Part 1"
The New Avengers/The Transformers #2, "Man and Machine: Part 2"
The New Avengers/The Transformers #3, "Man and Machine: Part 3"
The New Avengers/The Transformers #4, "Man and Machine: Part 4"

2008-2011 (Year 13: 2008)
Magdalena/Daredevil #1, "The Devil in Longhand"
Fusion #1, "Gods and Monsters (Part 1)"
Fusion #2, "Gods and Monsters (Part 2)"
Fusion #3, "Gods and Monsters (Part 3)"

2012-2015 (Year 14: 2009)
Secret Wars #0, "Attack on Avengers"

2024-2027 (Year 17: 2012)
Deadpool/Batman #1

Year 31: 2026
X-Men/WildC.A.T.s #1, "The Dark Age" (Places itself in 2019) [Alternate Timeline]

That's how it would fit in with IDW... honestly, the Avengers could have died during All Hail Megatron based on that with no noticeable issues.
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Suppose on a Hasbroverse timeline, they'd have red colouring. Otherwise I'd just colour code them based on the Marvel side of the crossover, since Earth-7642 includes only Marvel crossovers and is essentially a Marvel reality.
 
JLA/Avengers ignored it all entirely

Your entire basis for thinking it's going to be set on that earth is because that's where the old ones were, but they abandoned that last time because it would've limited the story of JLA/Av so that doesn't hold up

You think it'll be this one because it's the "crossover Earth" despite the fact that no one actually uses it as the crossover Earth anymore and haven't in quite some time, instead creating new ones of their own exactly as I said

Not to be rude or anything but when you actually go through these points and how they hold up with reality it's pretty clear its just a case of you WANTING it to be on this Earth

I think you're willfully ignoring the fact that this is only the first issue in a series of crossovers that are supposed to continue into next year with an implied interconnecting story and a long term hope for crossovers in other mediums. And written by Morrison no less, it really doesn't get more huge story than that so I don't see why you're thinking it's just going to be some small nothing story where nothing tangible occurs when Grant is writing it
 
ScottishRyzo said:
JLA/Avengers ignored it all entirely
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No it didn't? That's a multiverse crossover. I thought that was obvious? That's literally like saying Marvel vs. DC ignored Earth-7642.

JLA/Avengers is a 616-canon story where the universes merge while Earth-7642 is a reality where they've always been the same universe with no in-universe explanation.

ScottishRyzo said:
Your entire basis for thinking it's going to be set on that earth is because that's where the old ones were, but they abandoned that last time because it would've limited the story of JLA/Av so that doesn't hold up
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As I've stated, Earth-7642 is for out-of-continuity non-multiverse crossovers. JLA/Avengers is an in-continuity multiverse crossover. This is like saying that the DCAU Batman/Ninja Turtles crossover comic is non-canon to the DCAU because the other Batman/Ninja Turtles crossovers are in a separate universe.

ScottishRyzo said:
You think it'll be this one because it's the "crossover Earth" despite the fact that no one actually uses it as the crossover Earth anymore and haven't in quite some time, instead creating new ones of their own exactly as I said
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Uh, false? Crossover Earth has been used after JLA/Avengers. JLA/Avengers didn't "ignore" Earth-7642 like you claim, that has a built-in story explanation for why Marvel and DC are the same universe. The only examples where the rules that make something Earth-7642 haven't been followed is Batman/Captain America, which is set in the 1940s and part of Earth-3839, so an elseworlds Batman rather than a main universe duplicate, and most likely the Predator versus comics, which are set to kill off major Marvel characters - also, there's already a reality where Yautja and Marvel characters co-exist.

ScottishRyzo said:
Not to be rude or anything but when you actually go through these points and how they hold up with reality it's pretty clear its just a case of you WANTING it to be on this Earth
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No, it's literally how it works. If Marvel makes an intercompany crossover that doesn't involve the multiverse, it is assumed to be set in Earth-7642 unless contradicted.

ScottishRyzo said:
I think you're willfully ignoring the fact that this is only the first issue in a series of crossovers that are supposed to continue into next year with an implied interconnecting story and a long term hope for crossovers in other mediums. And written by Morrison no less, it really doesn't get more huge story than that so I don't see why you're thinking it's just going to be some small nothing story where nothing tangible occurs when Grant is writing it
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If it actually contradicts Earth-7642, then that's acceptable. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, and since intercompany crossovers are automatically placed in Earth-7642, you have to prove that it isn't. If it ends up being separate that's fine, I have no issue with that, but until then, I'm not deviating from my stance.
 
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From what I can see, only the second Deadpool/Batman one-shot is written by Grant Morrison... huh, two one-shots... almost like all those crossover comics set in Earth-7642 that had two one-shots... just saying, if there's no contradiction and everybody accepts it as part of Earth-7642, then I'm going to come back and tease you a little. :p

It actually looks like all the Marvel/DC one-shots are by different people and separate stories from one another, not a hugely connected elseworlds-esque thing like you claim.
 
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Wolverine: Judgment Night Vol 1 1

Featured Characters: Wolverine (Logan) Antagonists: Shi (Ana Ishikawa) Races and Species: Humans Mutants Demons (Mentioned) Locations: Earth-7642 Earth Items: Wolverine's Suit Adamantium Synopsis not yet written 1 image(s) from Wolverine: Judgment Night Vol 1 1
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That's actually the title.
 
Pro Bot said:
194?
WildC.A.T.s/X-Men #1, "The Golden Age"

Year -25: 1971
Team X/Team 7 #1, "All Sold Out"

Year -5: 1991
Darkseid vs. Galactus #1, "The Hunger"

1961-1963 (Year 1: 1996)
The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman #1, "Double Lives" (Flashbacks)
WildC.A.T.s/X-Men #2, "The Silver Age"

1964-1967 (Year 2: 1997)
Almanaque do O Globo Juvenil #1964C, "The Return of a Grand Hero"

1976-1979 (Year 5: 2000)
Superman vs The Amazing Spider-Man #1, "The Battle of the Century"
WildC.A.T.s/X-Men #3, "The Modern Age"
Pow! Biff! Pops! #1

1980-1983 (Year 6: 2001)
Marvel Treasury Edition #28, "Superman and Spider-Man"
Bat Man vs. The Incredible Hulk #1, "The Monster and the Madman"
The Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans #1, "Apokolips... Now!"
Deathblow/Wolverine #1 (Places itself in 1982)
Deathblow/Wolverine #2

1992-1995 (Year 9: 2004)
Batman/Punisher #1, "Lake of Fire"
The Punisher Meets Archie #1, "When Worlds Collide" [Earth-616 Canon?]
Punisher/Batman #1, "Deadly Knights"
Spider-Man and Batman #1, "Disordered Minds"
Batman & Spider-Man #1, "New Age Dawning"

1996-1999 (Year 10: 2005)
Badrock/Wolverine #1, "Savaged"
Backlash/Spider-Man #1
Backlash/Spider-Man #2
Spider-Man/Gen¹³ #1, "Crossed Generations"
Daredevil and Batman #1, "Eye for an Eye"
Daredevil/Shi #1, "Blind Faith"
Shi/Daredevil #1, "Honor Thy Mother"
Gladiator/Supreme #1, "False Gods"
Spider-Man/Badrock #1, "Crossing Over: Part 1 of 2"
Spider-Man/Badrock #2, "Crossing Over: Part 2 of 2"
Gen¹³/Generation X #1, "Generation Gap"
Generation X/ Gen¹³ #1, "Harvest of Evil!"
The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman #1, "Double Lives"

2000-2003 (Year 11: 2006)
Batman/Daredevil: King of New York #1, "King of New York"
Wolverine/Shi: Dark Night of Judgment #1
Shi/Wolverine: Judgment Night #1, "Judgment Night"
The Punisher/Painkiller Jane #1, "Lovesick"
Gen¹³/Fantastic Four #1, "Queelocke's Really Big New York Adventure!"

2004-2007 (Year 12: 2007)
Witchblade/Wolverine #1, "Bloody Wedding"
Darkness/The Incredible Hulk #1
Tutenstein #1
Darkness/Wolverine #1, "Old Wounds"
Cyberforce/X-Men #1
Witchblade/The Punisher #1, "Witchblade/The Punisher"
Unholy Union #1
The New Avengers/The Transformers #1, "Man and Machine: Part 1"
The New Avengers/The Transformers #2, "Man and Machine: Part 2"
The New Avengers/The Transformers #3, "Man and Machine: Part 3"
The New Avengers/The Transformers #4, "Man and Machine: Part 4"

2008-2011 (Year 13: 2008)
Magdalena/Daredevil #1, "The Devil in Longhand"
Fusion #1, "Gods and Monsters (Part 1)"
Fusion #2, "Gods and Monsters (Part 2)"
Fusion #3, "Gods and Monsters (Part 3)"

2012-2015 (Year 14: 2009)
Secret Wars #0, "Attack on Avengers"

2024-2027 (Year 17: 2012)
Deadpool/Batman #1
Batman/Deadpool #1

Year 31: 2026
X-Men/WildC.A.T.s #1, "The Dark Age" (Places itself in 2019) [Alternate Timeline]

That's how it would fit in with IDW... honestly, the Avengers could have died during All Hail Megatron based on that with no noticeable issues.
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So thanks to the Transformers ongoing of 2009 we know that Megs' invasione of earth started in March or May 2008 (I don't Remember exactly when, tho you can find It in the Witwicky centric issue), and knowing that the occupation lasted for 1 year ending in 2009, I Guess that The 2008 crossovers happens before AHM and the 2009 ones After AHM, right?
 
Megatron said:
So thanks to the Transformers ongoing of 2009 we know that Megs' invasione of earth started in March or May 2008 (I don't Remember exactly when, tho you can find It in the Witwicky centric issue), and knowing that the occupation lasted for 1 year ending in 2009, I Guess that The 2008 crossovers happens before AHM and the 2009 ones After AHM, right?
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Ah, in that case, the Avengers probably DID survive All Hail Megatron.
 
Pro Bot said:
Ah, in that case, the Avengers probably DID survive All Hail Megatron.
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I Always thought that they restreated to Europe. Megs never got to the EU, tho he defeated the USA in 2-3 weeks, then he attacked Russia and conquered It, then he couldn't conquer the EU cos Starscream started his schemes against him like usual and then the Autobots returned and OP dealed with them.
 
Megatron said:
I Always thought that they restreated to Europe. Megs never got to the EU, tho he defeated the USA in 2-3 weeks, then he attacked Russia and conquered It, then he couldn't conquer the EU cos Starscream started his schemes against him like usual and then the Autobots returned and OP dealed with them.
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We can just say that the Justice League was off-world.
 
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