Tomb Raider/Legacy of Kain/Hitman/Kane & Lynch/First Light - Timeline

[user 16960]

Do you think we could get an Uncharted crossover for this universe?

 

[Megatron]

Do you think we could get an Uncharted crossover for this universe?

Probably nope, Uncharted ended and Neil Drackmen was sure of it.

Also on a personal note, I've never liked Uncharted, so good for me

 

[user 16960]

Probably nope, Uncharted ended and Neil Drackmen was sure of it.

Also on a personal note, I've never liked Uncharted, so good for me

Alright, also Legacy of Kain also had dlc for guardian of light just like Kane and Lynch so you can probably include that series too

 

[Megatron]

Alright, also Legacy of Kain also had dlc for guardian of light just like Kane and Lynch so you can probably include that series too

Thank you for the info! I need to look it up to be sure tho.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Probably nope, Uncharted ended and Neil Drackmen was sure of it.

And on a personal note, I find Neil Cuckmann to be a smug, arrogant, loser hack of a writer, especially after The Last of Us 2. Yes, I said it. The game's ****.

 

[Megatron]

And on a personal note, I find Neil Cuckmann to be a smug, arrogant, loser hack of a writer, especially after The Last of Us 2. Yes, I said it. The game's ****.

I approve about Neil, not so much for the game.

 

[user 16960]

Thank you for the info! I need to look it up to be sure tho.

There's cutscenes for it like Kane and Lynch as well. Although instead of "2 days later" it's says "in another world and also in the past" or something like that, so I'm not sure what to make of it? I think Legacy of Kain takes place in a fantasy world but it doesn't explain why Totec and Xolotl would be there

 

[user 16960]

There's cutscenes for it like Kane and Lynch as well. Although instead of "2 days later" it's says "in another world and also in the past" or something like that, so I'm not sure what to make of it? I think Legacy of Kain takes place in a fantasy world but it doesn't explain why Totec and Xolotl would be there

My guess is maybe it's Earth in a distant past where it's more fantasy-like or something. Like Lord of the Rings or Heretic/Hexen

 

[user 16960]

My guess is maybe it's Earth in a distant past where it's more fantasy-like or something. Like Lord of the Rings or Heretic/Hexen

And since in the dlc Totec is there that means the LoK series would be set in the first century AD at the absolute earliest. Although one weird thing about the dlc is they say in the intro during Lara's ending "meanwhile but also in the past" and I don't really know what that means tbh

 

[user 16960]

I'm thinking the Years for the Tomb Raider series might be using the Survivor dates. Mostly going off of how the survivor series happens from like 2013-2015 and underworld being 10 years after TR1, that would put the newest game in real time 2026 I believe, which is probably what they want because they'd probably not want the series to still be set in the 90s/00s tbh. Especially since Survivor is more or less the basis for the Unified timeline going forward

 

[user 16960]

My guess is maybe it's Earth in a distant past where it's more fantasy-like or something. Like Lord of the Rings or Heretic/Hexen

There's apparently even a portrait of human Kain in Tomb Raider Anniversary further adding to it being connected.

 

[Megatron]

I'm thinking the Years for the Tomb Raider series might be using the Survivor dates. Mostly going off of how the survivor series happens from like 2013-2015 and underworld being 10 years after TR1, that would put the newest game in real time 2026 I believe, which is probably what they want because they'd probably not want the series to still be set in the 90s/00s tbh. Especially since Survivor is more or less the basis for the Unified timeline going forward

I already explained why I'm using the Classic dates.

We Need to wait for a new product to kick off a date. That would be our base to date the rest.

 

[Megatron]

also @Elly the survivor dates have been changed, as the series was set between 2013 to 2018.

And if you didn't read the previous messages I chose the classics dates, becouse it is the era with the most dates for main video games events that we have. Dates we have confirmations off comes from TR1, TR2, TR3 and Chronicles.

for the LAU trilogy we have only Anniversary but it's the same as TR1 so it does apply to both.

and for Survivor, we only have Shadows, tho it's just a tomb, so it could be set also later.

So FOR THE MOMENT I just opted for the OG dates until we have a date from new games made to be set for the unified timeline as retcons have been made already.

Survivor Trilogy set in 3 years and not 5.

the Lara Croft games being set before Legend and not after underworld.

So in conclusion, the TR dates are temporary; Legacy of Atlantis could place itself even in 2026, the year it come out and so we'll have to change everything to accomodate that date.

I hope I made myself clear on this point.

 

[Megatron]

now I'll look into Legacy of Kain

 

[Megatron]

ok so, I did a lil of research and the series deals with time-travel. So the phrase a different world, may not be totally false.

So it's possible that the Order of Light DLC is set in one of previous three timelines.

So yeah, it's very possible for Legacy of Kain to be Canon.

 

[Megatron]

so for Guardians of Light it could be that after Lara does her thing, Xolotl then goes back in time... uhm A LOT, and then he gets freed by Kane & Lynch 2 days later.

 

[Megatron]

So, Nosgoth is inspired by the Middle Ages in Europe, and it's set in North America according to Guardian of Light (explaining while anything about this was exposed to the world since they needed to wait till 1492 for the Europeans to get there).

So the Middle Ages happens between 476 to 1492. So we need to find a way to occupy all this years without going past 1492, also there needs time to give the Aztecs the time to make their civilization prosper.

As Elly suggested the game has to take place at least in the 1st century, so we'll try to adjust to that.

so the aztecs started in the XIV century, so to avoid anything let's use 1300 as the year we don't have to cross!

Now to let things on earth get how they are supposed to appen, let's put uhm... 200 years of time for earth to be as we know it, so the years of Raziel's time (in the DLC both Raziel and Kain are present) musn't be passed on is: 1100. and the year we don't have to go below is: 0 (with the main events, not flashbacks or others).

EDIT: I've found things about the Holy War destroying the Majority of humanity. And Lara has a painting of him. So we have to assume, that while Vampires were controlling Europe, civilizations kept prospering or (and maybe better) We know that at the time of LoKD we're in the fourth timeline, since we don't have a sixth game, isn't impossible to imagine that Kain went back in time after the Elder God to the very beginning erasing everything, him being purified and becoming the new guardian of the Pillars, so erasing everything that happened in LoK. If we follow this it won't happen everything that happened in the games as it would be resetted, Vampires would never exist, Elder Kain would stay to watch over the pillars and the new Kain would never become a Vampire, explaining the painting Lara owns! Still I prefer to remain in Medival Times, cos we're still on Earth so that there's a bit of realism with the inspired era that was used.

Now it's time to experiment!

1906 BCE - SR2 Chapter 7-9, Epilogue, BO Chapter 1
1450 BCE - BO Chapter 9-10
1430 BCE - BO Chapter 1, SR2 Chapter 1-5
1400 BCE - BO Chapter 2-9, 11-12, BO2 Chapter 1, D Comic, D Chapter 1, 3, 5, 7, 9
1291 BCE - SR2 Chapter 5-7
1186 BCE - BO2 Chapter 1
1166 BCE - BO2 Chapter 1
998 BCE - BO2 Chapter 2-11
100 - SR Comic (TC and German), SR Chapter 1
1100 - SR Chapter 1-10, SR2 Prologue, D Chapter 2, 4, 6, 8, 10-13

for doing this I used this:

https://legacyofkain.fandom.com/wiki/Timelines/Narrative

and this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5pAaxGy6wo

If my calculations are correct we have a span of time of 100 years between 998 BCE and 100 where the Guardians of Light DLC can happen, as Raser and Kain are together and not antagonistic with each other. So do you think it works, @Elly ?

If not could you please give me a more precise placements for them, I've never played the series.

This is for the timeline, for the simplified order, since you can't play the Guardian of Light with the other games set in the past cos it would spoil the main game, I'll just place the games in their year of release, while the comics are placed according to their respective games

Example (Just main games and only TR and LoC):
TR2013
RotTR
SotTR
TR1996
TRA
TRLoA
BOLoK1
TR2
TR3
LoKSR1
TR4
TRCh
LoKSR2
LoKBO2
TRAoD
LoKD
LCatGoL
LCatToO
TRL
TRU
TRCa

this looks nice, another thing I could do is since SR1 and SR2 happens immediatly one after the other, I could do this instead:

TR2013
RotTR
SotTR
TR1996
TRA
TRLoA
BOLoK1
TR2
TR3
LoKSR1
LoKSR2
TR4
TRCh
LoKBO2
TRAoD
LoKD
LCatGoL
LCatToO
TRL
TRU
TRCa

So you'd say, what changed? Well since adding the games like this, you won't have to wait an eternity to play the DLC after the LoK storyline and instead you'd have to wait just to finish the Guardians of Light main game and also it won't break SR1 and 2 narrative as well TR4 and TRCh narrative (I placed Blood Omen 2 between TRCh and TRAoD cos there will be the Amulet of Power novel between them, so dw Lara won't be left on a cliffhanger).

 

[Megatron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HiTMAN/comments/1m94796/so_this_is_likely_not_happening_right/

Wow! Summer 2025? Well, it never happened, so uhm... goodbye Mindseye! hehe.

 

[user 16960]

So, Nosgoth is inspired by the Middle Ages in Europe, and it's set in North America according to Guardian of Light (explaining while anything about this was exposed to the world since they needed to wait till 1492 for the Europeans to get there).

So the Middle Ages happens between 476 to 1492. So we need to find a way to occupy all this years without going past 1492, also there needs time to give the Aztecs the time to make their civilization prosper.

As Elly suggested the game has to take place at least in the 1st century, so we'll try to adjust to that.

so the aztecs started in the XIV century, so to avoid anything let's use 1300 as the year we don't have to cross!

Now to let things on earth get how they are supposed to appen, let's put uhm... 200 years of time for earth to be as we know it, so the years of Raziel's time (in the DLC both Raziel and Kain are present) musn't be passed on is: 1100. and the year we don't have to go below is: 0 (with the main events, not flashbacks or others).

EDIT: I've found things about the Holy War destroying the Majority of humanity. And Lara has a painting of him. So we have to assume, that while Vampires were controlling Europe, civilizations kept prospering or (and maybe better) We know that at the time of LoKD we're in the fourth timeline, since we don't have a sixth game, isn't impossible to imagine that Kain went back in time after the Elder God to the very beginning erasing everything, him being purified and becoming the new guardian of the Pillars, so erasing everything that happened in LoK. If we follow this it won't happen everything that happened in the games as it would be resetted, Vampires would never exist, Elder Kain would stay to watch over the pillars and the new Kain would never become a Vampire, explaining the painting Lara owns! Still I prefer to remain in Medival Times, cos we're still on Earth so that there's a bit of realism with the inspired era that was used.

Now it's time to experiment!

1906 BCE - SR2 Chapter 7-9, Epilogue, BO Chapter 1
1450 BCE - BO Chapter 9-10
1430 BCE - BO Chapter 1, SR2 Chapter 1-5
1400 BCE - BO Chapter 2-9, 11-12, BO2 Chapter 1, D Comic, D Chapter 1, 3, 5, 7, 9
1291 BCE - SR2 Chapter 5-7
1186 BCE - BO2 Chapter 1
1166 BCE - BO2 Chapter 1
998 BCE - BO2 Chapter 2-11
100 - SR Comic (TC and German), SR Chapter 1
1100 - SR Chapter 1-10, SR2 Prologue, D Chapter 2, 4, 6, 8, 10-13

for doing this I used this:

https://legacyofkain.fandom.com/wiki/Timelines/Narrative

and this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5pAaxGy6wo

If my calculations are correct we have a span of time of 100 years between 998 BCE and 100 where the Guardians of Light DLC can happen, as Raser and Kain are together and not antagonistic with each other. So do you think it works, @Elly ?

If not could you please give me a more precise placements for them, I've never played the series.

This is for the timeline, for the simplified order, since you can't play the Guardian of Light with the other games set in the past cos it would spoil the main game, I'll just place the games in their year of release, while the comics are placed according to their respective games

Example (Just main games and only TR and LoC):
TR2013
RotTR
SotTR
TR1996
TRA
TRLoA
BOLoK1
TR2
TR3
LoKSR1
TR4
TRCh
LoKSR2
LoKBO2
TRAoD
LoKD
LCatGoL
LCatToO
TRL
TRU
TRCa

this looks nice, another thing I could do is since SR1 and SR2 happens immediatly one after the other, I could do this instead:

TR2013
RotTR
SotTR
TR1996
TRA
TRLoA
BOLoK1
TR2
TR3
LoKSR1
LoKSR2
TR4
TRCh
LoKBO2
TRAoD
LoKD
LCatGoL
LCatToO
TRL
TRU
TRCa

So you'd say, what changed? Well since adding the games like this, you won't have to wait an eternity to play the DLC after the LoK storyline and instead you'd have to wait just to finish the Guardians of Light main game and also it won't break SR1 and 2 narrative as well TR4 and TRCh narrative (I placed Blood Omen 2 between TRCh and TRAoD cos there will be the Amulet of Power novel between them, so dw Lara won't be left on a cliffhanger).

I think it works but I also don't really know anything about Legacy of Kain either, I'm just going off of what's in Guardian of Light.

 

[user 16960]

Lara Croft Go has alternate costumes for Hitman, Just Cause and Deus Ex outfits. Since Hitman is part of this universe is it possible the other 2 are as well?

 

[Megatron]

Lara Croft Go has alternate costumes for Hitman, Just Cause and Deus Ex outfits. Since Hitman is part of this universe is it possible the other 2 are as well?

I don't count non-plot references.

Also Deus Ex? It's too incompatibile.

 

[user 16960]

I don't count non-plot references.

Also Deus Ex? It's too incompatibile.

Understandable, also you could throw in Lara Croft's appearance on the Spain TV show "Companions" obviously you'd probably not want to count an entire sitcom but I think it's worth throwing in the episode she appeared in. From what I can tell it's not a dream sequence or anything it's straight up Lara Croft coming to collect an artifact from the cast

 

[user 16960]

Understandable, also you could throw in Lara Croft's appearance on the Spain TV show "Companions" obviously you'd probably not want to count an entire sitcom but I think it's worth throwing in the episode she appeared in. From what I can tell it's not a dream sequence or anything it's straight up Lara Croft coming to collect an artifact from the cast

I love how game accurate the costume is it's pretty cool, more games should do tv appearances like this out of nowhere

 

[Megatron]

Understandable, also you could throw in Lara Croft's appearance on the Spain TV show "Companions" obviously you'd probably not want to count an entire sitcom but I think it's worth throwing in the episode she appeared in. From what I can tell it's not a dream sequence or anything it's straight up Lara Croft coming to collect an artifact from the cast

yeah there it will as I think that episode is a prequel to TR3 or 4.

BUT I WON'T ADD THE ENTIRE SHOW.

If someone wants to, they're free to do it.

 

[Megatron]

I love how game accurate the costume is it's pretty cool, more games should do tv appearances like this out of nowhere

IKKKK she's the mostly Lara Crofty that's been... even more than Angelina Jolie whitch is crazy!

 

[user 16960]

yeah there it will as I think that episode is a prequel to TR3 or 4.

BUT I WON'T ADD THE ENTIRE SHOW.

If someone wants to, they're free to do it.

It was a promotion for Last Revelation apparently. They apparently said it wasn't meant to like directly tie in with the story though just be a promotion

 

[Megatron]

I'm thinking the Years for the Tomb Raider series might be using the Survivor dates. Mostly going off of how the survivor series happens from like 2013-2015 and underworld being 10 years after TR1, that would put the newest game in real time 2026 I believe, which is probably what they want because they'd probably not want the series to still be set in the 90s/00s tbh. Especially since Survivor is more or less the basis for the Unified timeline going forward

btw I was thinking... If Catalyst is set in 2026 it would be perfect, as Lara's last adventure would be Underworld in 2028.

There's the new comic, but we don't know when is set aside after Underworld, but regardless, in Catalyst she's a bit older, but fits within a 18 year old timeskip.

And since we're trowing the Top Cow comics aswell for the sake of it, tecnically Lara lives at least till the 53rd century.

But we still have to see if they'd date Legacy of Atlantis or if they'd left it ambiguous still.

 

[user 16960]

Ibtw I was thinking... If Catalyst is set in 2026 it would be perfect, as Lara's last adventure would be Underworld in 2028.

There's the new comic, but we don't know when is set aside after Underworld, but regardless, in Catalyst she's a bit older, but fits within a 18 year old timeskip.

And since we're trowing the Top Cow comics aswell for the sake of it, tecnically Lara lives at least till the 53rd century.

But we still have to see if they'd date Legacy of Atlantis or if they'd left it ambiguous still.

Isnt Catalyst set after Underworld?

 

[Megatron]

Isnt Catalyst set after Underworld?

yup. I just said that the passage of time lines up with her appearence.

 

[Megatron]

ok going a bit ahed, so I gave a glance at the Rome section of Tomb Raider Chronicles, which is set on the 15th of July 1989.

This means that it takes place during Lara's Journey towards Yamatai.

but.... Lara starts is Journey on the 12th of July 1989 and sails off from America, Yamatai is in Japan (ad yeah Ik you could say that she could be going with her both directly to japan, but let's say that she took the long way instead, could place the Rome section during a stop Lara makes.

Also aside from Larsen (who survives) in Rome there aren't human enemies, avoiding Lara to obtain any traumas.

So I think it works.