Lynx said:
I have to agree. Smith's comic tend to be pretty good. Not as good as his movies, mind you, but quality stuff.
I just hope Singer on UXM and Lindelof on UWvH don't pull a Card. I think I'd quit collecting the UU. There's crap and then there's explosive diarreah.
Thats the most perfect summary/analogy ever.
Shi_Vral said:
The reason Tony has a healing factor is explained in the very first issue. I realise that I'm more than likely wasting my breath (figurativly (sp?) speaking of course), but Tony's mom was working on a way for humans to regrow cells at a very accelerated rate. In fact, that's why his dad brought her out in the first place. The blue armor ate people's skin if left on too long. Howard wanted a way for people to regrow skin quickly so that the armor eating the skin wouldn't cause any damage. They had injected the monkey that went crazy, cut off its arm on her helmet, and spilled its blood into her pregnant body. Because brain cells grow without loss (IE, our brains are growing already) the work they were doing sped this up, and so now the monky's brain and the mom's brain are growing too fast for their bodies to handle.
So they can accomplish all this without realizing the effect it would have on a living brain? I know there's a reason for experimentation, but they should have been able to predict the adverse reaction of the brain outgrowing the skull based on their work alone. That is just one reason this whole premise is stupid.
Because of the way a baby grows in the womb, the stuff affected baby Tony differently, making him something like a human stem cell battery. The reason that he has such a great healing factor is that any of his cells can grow any type of cell he needs, not just copies of themselves. Maybe OSC didn't read the 20 some issues that have been writen about Ultimate Tony, but the fact of the matter is, no origin had been set in place. This is the ULTIMATE UNIVERSE, not 616. The idea is that things can be different here.
Ummm, yes, yes it had. Besides the UMTU #4-5 issues (since a lot ignore them) are you forgetting everything Tony said in Ultimates? Or should we ignore that as well in favor of Card's version? Tony said he bought the house for his mom, which according to Card died before he was born. Second, WHY WOULD A BRAIN TUMOR BE LETHAL TO SOMEONE WHO'S ENTIRE BODY US BRAIN MATTER AND WHO HAS THAT LEVEL OF HEALING FACTOR? No one who's actually a proponent of this crap mini has explained that yet.
The FF were created because Reed built a mater transporter to send things to the N-Zone. Peter was bit by a spider being used in experiments to recreate Captain America. The Hulk is a homicidal maniac. These are the characters we know and love, but not the stories. Anyway, now that I've wasted my breath, here come the insults to my inteligence, or OSC's, or the editors, or whoever gets the blame next. Oh, and MWoF, just because I like Card, I'm sticking around, on this thread, on this site, and hell, maybe I'll even read some DD so that I can post about how crappy some of the writers for it are.
Yes, that indeed was a waste of breath and energy.
Shi_Vral Criticism of UIM or Card personally, no. The fact that most of the arguments I bring up are dismissed without any real discussion, a little bit. I realise its the internet, people have their own opinions, and most of the people here aren't afraid to share them, but when I disagree with someone here, I offer arguements. It seems like when I post some arguemtn about why its not as horrible as you all make it sound, its shot down as a stupid arguement, with no reason or, or at most a "I'm right because I'm right and people here agree with me." All I'm looking for is a well thought out argument as to why I'm wrong, rather than a short "That's dumb, now lets move on."
I've countered your arguments quite well for the most part as have most of the other members, based on the subject matter at hand. Card is completely messing up continuity with a story that isn't even worth it.
Lynx said:
You're right, SV, his origin hasn't been set up, but half of these ideas contradict the already established canon.
No, he's not. Technically his origin was convered, in a very summarized form, sure, but it has been established.
So, was Tony going to be retarded if his body wasn't a brain? Because he's about as smart as Reed Richards and Reed's brain is all in his head. How's that for constructive critism on Card?
Exactly.
UltimateE said:
I still defy anyone to prove that a larger brain makes people smarter
You're right, it can't be proven currently. And since say, a whale's brain is much larger than ours, that proves brain size doesn't necessarily equal more or less intelligence. However, since its a human brain we're talking about, one would assume more brain matter would equal more mental capacity. Otherwise the rest of the brain matter may as well be an appendix. Its useless. More muscle tissue equals greater strength, and that can and has been proven, so why wouldn't the same apply to brain cells? Not to defend Card's use of the subject, just saying.
Maxwell Smart said:
Not that regular continuity standards can be placed on this book, but I found a discontinuity. When Tony is the furnace room Rhoedy calls Howard on a modern size cell phone. I figure Tony's about thirty-five so that would mean that this was supposed to happen twenty years ago, making it impossible to have a cell phone smaller than a brief case.
I noticed that as well. They also mentioned The Terminator, so one would have to assume this takes place in or after 1984. To make Tony's age make sense, on the timeline I placed Tony being born in 1970 and indeed have this take place in 1984. And considering that Tony is a genius and capable of building all the stuff he can, I don't think a modern cell phone twenty years early is out of the question. Definitly more believable than the rest of this storyline.
Guijllons said:
You're right, it isn't the size of the brain it's how wrinkly it is, at least that's a factor between species. The unfolded human brain would be about the size of a pillow, and it's the surface area that defines out innate intelligence as a species - a chimps brain is much smoother and has a smaller unfolded size. This is only a small part of the story though, neuron firing is a big part as we know, so in a sense the 'density' of a brain is important too. So, we have a large brain surface area compacted into a smaller space, plus firing.
Now, have you ever stubbed your toe and thought "damn, that's really gonna hurt in a min.. OUCH!", that's because it does take some time for some signals in some instances to travel around the body. You could kick a dinosaur in the plums (do they have plums?) and they woudn't notice for a good long while.
So, Tony Stark have a larger brain, a lower density since it's just brain material spread through his body.. over a distance... that isn't going to make any significant difference to his intelligence at all. In fact, the only thing that all of this has any effect on, is Card's intelligence.
Good point. But assuming the density is close enough to your average human brain (the brain matter scattered over his body, not the actual brain in his head) it isn't out of the realm of possibility to assume it would equal increased intelligence.
Oh my God, I'm defending Card now. Someone shoot me.
TheManWithoutFear said:
But I doubt he could pull off that **** in the Baxter building like he does. It's definitely got security cameras everywhere and that bit with killing the kids is probably not the only thing he's done.
I was thinking the same. It seems Card puts a lot of thought into his scientific explanations without giving any thought to more practical things going on.
Guijllons said:
You know they dissected Einstein's brain after he died? They found nothing special about it.
Doesn't mean there wasn't something special about it though.
