Ultimate X-Men Annual #1 Discussion (Spoilers)

[ProjectX2]

We're not bickering. You're just jealous.

It's strange though. I wouldn't call him VAWAN.

 

[E]

I didn't see if anyone else mentioned it, but the FF crash mention was nice, as was Bobby's Kitty/Spider-Man comments. They are minor, but it's nice to have that cohesion among the books.

 

[Lynx]

I loved the book, if anything, for the last page. Juggs is always nice to see and I have to agree that his Ultimate design is just kick ***. I'm sad to see Gambit "go", but the way it sounded like was Rogue absorbed not only his powers, but his SOUL. The only flaws were Gambit's premature death (Although, unlike Gwen Stacy, I think he can make a comeback plausibly) and the fast pacing. Loved the art, too. Can't wait for Ultimate Secret #3 and #4 with Raney!

I, too, smell an Apocolypse tie-in and that will be the ONLY way I could enjoy Beast and Gambit making their respective returns. Pheonix could work too, I suppose. . .

 

[notTHATtodd]

Good issue all around and it seems to have been written with the continuity nuts in mind. From the Spiderman / Kitty hook up (the Ultimate Six tie was nice) to the FF crashing into Downtown Las Vegas. I'd say that this issue went a long way to tying as many different series (and mini's) together then any other that I've seen to date.

Plus Gambit gets crushed by a falling building for no reason other then to look cool (did it not strike anyone else that there had to have been another way out of that situation then to drop a building onto himself? This is a guy that not only squared off with Wolverine but won (nearly blew the man's head off). While I'm all for killing off Gambit, his death really seemed forced and contrived.

As for bring him back: nah. If I'm not mistaken, this is a similar situation Rogue is in in the 616 universe (ie how she became invulnerable and can fly) just with a different character. And voices...am I incorrect, but hasn't it been said that she actually retains pieces of everyone that she absorbs from? I'm not sure if this is mentioned at all in the UU but I know that she often has difficulty remembering who she is in 616.

The thing with Xavier letting her go makes since to me. It falls in keeping with his let live attitude toward everyone although him saying that he had no idea where she was didn't ring true at all.

Oh, and the mention to Dr Strange seems to be adding wood to the fire that the next title added to the Ultimate line will be Dr Strange / Magick related. I've noticed that he seems to be making an appearance or is mentioned on an increasing basis (yes, slow to be sure but there have been more this year there ever before). I'm betting that his title will manifest by summer of next year.

 

[Tenyuki]

The thing with Xavier letting her go makes since to me. It falls in keeping with his let live attitude toward everyone although him saying that he had no idea where she was didn't ring true at all.

Well, it could be seen that Xavier said that to keep Nick Fury/SHIELD away from Rogue.

 

[Hussefell]

I gave it a 3 out of 5 because it was a decent story with good art. Nothing really special though. A couple of nitpicks.....

1. Why did Gambit throw the gem at Juggernaut? It doesn't make sense, if you do not believe in magic why would you throw a "useless" crystal. At best for him (Gambit) the gem whould have created an alternate dimesion and sent Juggs there or at worst is what happened.

2. We all know the end is a set-up for Gambit to make a comeback through some sort of spirit transfer, and when they do that, it is going to be bad news bears. (I hate comebacks like that despite being a Star Trek fan, (reference to Star Trek III)

3. Sinister 6 could power own the X-Men. :wink:

The things I liked..

1. Many of the things mades sense. Rogue and Gambit stealing from Fernis to stop them. Juggernaut obsessing over Rogue (seriously Juggs comes from a broken home and Rogue is probably the only women that has ever shown any type of "positive" affection for him).

2. Gambit for the most part being infective against Juggernaut (I would have liked to see him do better in the begining before the gem was inserted to show more of difference but o well). Juggernaut should be, for the most part, be that "unstoppable". It's his thing.

3. Left me wanting more (except for Gambit's return via soul transfer).

On another note, I liked this more than I have been liking Magnetic North.

 

[E]

Welcome!

1. Why did Gambit throw the gem at Juggernaut? It doesn't make sense, if you do not believe in magic why would you throw a "useless" crystal. At best for him (Gambit) the gem whould have created an alternate dimesion and sent Juggs there or at worst is what happened.

I don't think it had anything to do with whether or not he belived it was magic. I think it was just something handy that he could charge up and toss at him to explode and hurt/damage/kill him.

 

[Ultimates]

Havent read this issue yet, sounds pretty good. To be honest though, I LOVED gambit in the reg. 616 universe, but I couldnt stand him in the Ultimates....glad to see he was offed...maybe they will bring him back, cool...

 

[Guijllons]

I've not read it either, and I've never liked Gambit. He's just pure cheese.

A character for the ladies, no, a character for housewives... "soccer moms".

Wouldn't be surprised if they made a sunday evening show about him in soft focus.

 

[TyphoiDCAT]

Sounds Cool

My comic shop was sold out and I really want to read it.

 

[notTHATtodd]

My comic shop was sold out and I really want to read it.

This is just so...sad.

It's like that movie with that guy and that woman who do that thing that is very sad...

Sorry. Pulling a twentyfour hour shift. Getting punchy early.

 

[nigma]

i liked this, i only collect x-men in hardcover and i'm a few behind so some of the references threw me off. but over all liked this and do to magic being mentioned i think i'll go and find the magic in UU thread and give it a quick jiggle.

 

[Goodwill]

Havent read this issue yet, sounds pretty good. To be honest though, I LOVED gambit in the reg. 616 universe, but I couldnt stand him in the Ultimates....glad to see he was offed...maybe they will bring him back, cool...

Yeah, apparently you're not the only one with beef with Gambit. Millar didn't like him, Bendis thought he was useless, and Vaughan kills him... That's not saying a whole freakin' lot about what the UU writers think of the character. He's cool!!

 

[Ice]

Yeah, apparently you're not the only one with beef with Gambit. Millar didn't like him, Bendis thought he was useless, and Vaughan kills him... That's not saying a whole freakin' lot about what the UU writers think of the character. He's cool!!

Exactly. He's only useless if you just leave him "useless", and don't try to do something with him.

 

[ProjectX2]

There's a movie coming out called Gambit and it's about a thief.

Random fact of the day.

 

[DIrishB]

My comic shop was sold out and I really want to read it.

Its not as bad as some are making it out to be, I thought it was pretty decent. Actually, I think most people just dislike the Gambit character, because he's so cliched. But getting past that, this was a nice story, and definitly helped to further the character development of Rogue. Though if I remember correctly, in the solicits for this issue it said the events would "change the status quo of the X-Men forever", and I'm not seeing that. Oh well.

 

[cmdrjanjalani]

Was there any indication what happened to Juggs after the building collapses on him? I figure he's just knocked unconscious, but can't say for sure.

I liked the UXM Annual, but not as much as the USM one. Also liked the references to Fenris, the UFF, Spidey and Kitty's relationship and the Ultimate Six. You can really see that Vaughn likes to always get elements from other writers' stories to reinforce his own and to establish a more solid continuity for his.

Also liked the focus with Ultimate Juggernaut, I always felt Millar underused him in the Weapon X arc. He did just disappear after the prison scene, and although he supposedly participated in Return of the King, he's absent and was only mentioned by name.

 

[TyphoiDCAT]

Oh well

I'll look Saturday for it but can anyone scan it for my reading purposes or at least the last page. Maybe the change it Rogue now has Gambit. With her in the X-Men. Thanks in advance guys.

Never mind

 

[Nurhachi]

I have to wait till my next pay day to get this friggin issue dammit gisborne road trip taking all my money!!!!!!! It was fun though. Wooohooo getting this on Tuesday next week. Looking forward to it. My neck hurts

 

[TyphoiDCAT]

I know how you feel Nurhachi

 

[roguefan]

Well I get this on Sunday, I might pick up the Ultimate Spidey Annual as well. Living in the UK normally means that the issues don't normally sell out as quickly as they do in the US of A.

 

[Lithium]

that sucks, i get it later today, thank god for payday!

 

[Spade]

so this is the art in ult secret 3/4??? i loved the art here!!

 

[Goodwill]

Was there any indication what happened to Juggs after the building collapses on him? I figure he's just knocked unconscious, but can't say for sure. .

Yeah, this was what I was wondering... Hopefully, SHIELD just collected him up again so that we can see him again some time. I really hope the next writer that picks him up drops the Rogue obsession.

I liked the UXM Annual, but not as much as the USM one. Also liked the references to Fenris, the UFF, Spidey and Kitty's relationship and the Ultimate Six. You can really see that Vaughn likes to always get elements from other writers' stories to reinforce his own and to establish a more solid continuity for his. .

Vaughan's always been good at this... It's the biggest reason why I'd hate to see him go.

Also liked the focus with Ultimate Juggernaut, I always felt Millar underused him in the Weapon X arc. He did just disappear after the prison scene, and although he supposedly participated in Return of the King, he's absent and was only mentioned by name.

Juggernaut was captured by the Ultimates in Ultimate War #1, which is why he wasn't seen in Return of the King. He was seen briefly even then, which really proves that Millar didn't use him to his strength.

 

[DIrishB]

Yeah, this was what I was wondering... Hopefully, SHIELD just collected him up again so that we can see him again some time. I really hope the next writer that picks him up drops the Rogue obsession.



Vaughan's always been good at this... It's the biggest reason why I'd hate to see him go.



Juggernaut was captured by the Ultimates in Ultimate War #1, which is why he wasn't seen in Return of the King. He was seen briefly even then, which really proves that Millar didn't use him to his strength.

Juggernaut definitly is still alive. He's apparently very tough, so I don't see the building falling on him as lethal. Which is also why I wasn't very fond of Gambit using this to try and kill him (and himself). Just didn't make much sense. Stuid Cajun.

 

[Ultimate Gambit]

finally got this annual and damn now Rogue has Gambit's powers and hes dead this is unbelivable and now I'm depressed my poor Gambit

 

[DIrishB]

finally got this annual and damn now Rogue has Gambit's powers and hes dead this is unbelivable and now I'm depressed my poor Gambit

LOL, sorry man, it happens. Least you weren't also a fan of Beast!

 

[Ice]

LOL, sorry man, it happens. Least you weren't also a fan of Beast!

Waaaaaaaaah! :cry:

 

[Nurhachi]

Waaaaaaaaah! :cry:

Isnt beast still alive?

 

[eatinsloppyjoes]

My idea is that Rogue now has no reason to stay away from the x-men and needs the prof.s help for her new powers.
Also, am i the ONLY one who noticed that Gambit also touched the gem, and if it has the same powers as 616 universe than Gambit and Juggernaut are invulnerable.

Just some speculation.