Siege (Bendis/Coipel)

the way this thing ended, i kind of wished it had been a carnage sentry combo instead. this was quite a letdown even though i had low expectations going in. not sure why dropping a helicarrier worked when thor's magic lighting didn't.
 
I just read the whole even cover to cover, including all of the tie-ins. It was pointless, underwhelming and anticlimactic. I feel much the same about this as I did about Blackest Night; it relies on one-note characterization through sloganized catchphrases, presumably in an attempt to instill some sort of nostalgic wonderment in the reader. It didn't work. Another year, another Marvel event full of Superheroes and villains posturing at one another until the bad guys give up. Yawn.
 
E said:
Yeah - do you have that handy? For comparison's sake?
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No update on the Brevoort thing yet. Everyone is asking him about the Sentry and One More Day still.
 
It's Chris Elliot's character from Scary Movie 2!

"Grab my hand!"
"...Give me your other one!"
"I can't, this is my strong one!"
 
robje said:
So they beat the sentry/void by
punching him really hard
. Huh.

And here I thought this would get interesting.
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Reasons why Superheroes are Rubbish #342.5b.

robje said:
Double post to avoid the ad. I didn't make this, but it conveys my feelings about siege perfectly.

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:lol:

Grocer Man said:
I can't stop being angry about this.

http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1921496.html?#cutid1

Gee, how can we make readers sympathetic to a hero who just died? I know! Let's reveal he boinked Rogue! What a innovative and non-sexist approach to an euology!

:arrgh:
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ProjectX2 said:
And what's all this rubbish about how The Sentry was a great hero? He was a lunatic that ripped people in two and threw them into the sun... and that's when he was an Avenger.

Good riddance.
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If we're lucky, they'll do that spell and make us all forget.

I just read the fourth issue of THE SIEGE (I didn't bother reading the rest) and it's just unbelievable this got made.

You know how Bendis just repeats his dialogue over and over? Well, he repeats everything over and over. He is the most repetitious writer in comics.

The Sentry kills people by tearing them in half. This is all he has ever done. He doesn't go, "Maybe I should punch them into the sun" or "squash them". No, it is always ripping them in half. Carnage, Ares, Loki, the man knows nothing else.

But it's worse than that, let's take a look at the basic structure of his crossovers: A hero goes bat**** insane with god-powers and ****s everything up. AVENGERS DISASSEMBLED and HOUSE OF M did it with Scarlet Witch, SECRET INVASION did it with Wasp, and now THE SIEGE did it with The Sentry. Every damn one is the same damn story.

And he does it to cheat his way out of his story. All the old Avengers villains are appearing and attacking them? Aaarg Scarlet Witch be crazy and is doing it somehow. Skrulls have been secretly replacing key people in the Marvel universe? Could we get a slow-building paranoia espionage AAAG let us all fight out in the open so Was can 'splode. Norman Osborn has seized power of the US government and the heroes are on the run? AAAAG let's attack Asgard oh noes Sentry is double-crazy let's kill him as that will immediately sort out all the complex political issues at hand.

Anyhow - Sentry went out as he came in; by ripping off MARVELMAN.

The ending is the same damn thing except it lacks any poetry or nuance of the original, and makes the choice easier by having Bob turn into the Void so he can be hit. It doesn't even make sense. When Bob is human-like, why does he turn into the Void and why does hitting him in Void form kill him? Utter nonsense and a waste of time and effort.

I haven't read anything by Marvel or DC for months ('cept for Hickman's FANTASTIC FOUR and Morrison's BATMAN AND ROBIN) and this is why.

I beg any of you who bothered to buy and read this crap to just strip your pull list of Marvel's idiocy and instead go into your comic shop and pick up anything that came out of Europe. Just try GREEN MANOR or THE BELLYBUTTONS or THORGAL or TINTIN or ASTERIX or XIII or LUCKY LUKE or CLIFTON or something I've not read and tell me it's good so I can.

And if you read this crossover and haven't read the two volumes of TERRA OBSCURA, then shame on you because you haven't read the best superhero crossovers of all time.

What a waste.
 
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I'm not going to read this.

Instead I'm going to read good Marvel comics, you know, the cosmic line, yeah, those ones.

And Captain Britain and the MI13. They appeared for three pages in the Age of Heroes thing you know.
 
Ultimate Houde said:
I'm not going to read this.

Instead I'm going to read good Marvel comics, you know, the cosmic line, yeah, those ones.

And Captain Britain and the MI13. They appeared for three pages in the Age of Heroes thing you know.
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That was so underwhelming. J. Jonah Jameson gets about eight pages and MI13 gets two!
 
Bass said:
I just read the fourth issue of THE SIEGE (I didn't bother reading the rest) and it's just unbelievable this got made.

You know how Bendis just repeats his dialogue over and over? Well, he repeats everything over and over. He is the most repetitious writer in comics.

The Sentry kills people by tearing them in half. This is all he has ever done. He doesn't go, "Maybe I should punch them into the sun" or "squash them". No, it is always ripping them in half. Carnage, Ares, Loki, the man knows nothing else.

But it's worse than that, let's take a look at the basic structure of his crossovers: A hero goes bat**** insane with god-powers and ****s everything up. AVENGERS DISASSEMBLED and HOUSE OF M did it with Scarlet Witch, SECRET INVASION did it with Wasp, and now THE SIEGE did it with The Sentry. Every damn one is the same damn story.

And he does it to cheat his way out of his story. All the old Avengers villains are appearing and attacking them? Aaarg Scarlet Witch be crazy and is doing it somehow. Skrulls have been secretly replacing key people in the Marvel universe? Could we get a slow-building paranoia espionage AAAG let us all fight out in the open so Was can 'splode. Norman Osborn has seized power of the US government and the heroes are on the run? AAAAG let's attack Asgard oh noes Sentry is double-crazy let's kill him as that will immediately sort out all the complex political issues at hand.

Anyhow - Sentry went out as he came in; by ripping off MARVELMAN.

The ending is the same damn thing except it lacks any poetry or nuance of the original, and makes the choice easier by having Bob turn into the Void so he can be hit. It doesn't even make sense. When Bob is human-like, why does he turn into the Void and why does hitting him in Void form kill him? Utter nonsense and a waste of time and effort.

I haven't read anything by Marvel or DC for months ('cept for Hickman's FANTASTIC FOUR and Morrison's BATMAN AND ROBIN) and this is why.

I beg any of you who bothered to buy and read this crap to just strip your pull list of Marvel's idiocy and instead go into your comic shop and pick up anything that came out of Europe. Just try GREEN MANOR or THE BELLYBUTTONS or THORGAL or TINTIN or ASTERIX or XIII or LUCKY LUKE or CLIFTON or something I've not read and tell me it's good so I can.

And if you read this crossover and haven't read the two volumes of TERRA OBSCURA, then shame on you because you haven't read the best superhero crossovers of all time.

What a waste.
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It sounds like you seem to think Bendis is everywhere in Marvel, when he is only writing two books (Avengers, New Avengers), and you're dismissing all of Marvel because of Bendis. What about all of the awesome books Marvel puts out? Incredible Hercules/Amadeus Cho: Prince of Power, Wolverine: Weapon X, Secret Avengers, Thunderbolts, Atlas, Amazing Spider-Man, Daredevil, Invincible Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The SHIELD, Secret Warriors and all of the cosmic books, hell even the Marvel Adventures line is good fun. As for DC, Secret Six is fantastic.

I'll have to track down Terra Obscura though.

ProjectX2 said:
That was so underwhelming. J. Jonah Jameson gets about eight pages and MI13 gets two!
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It was a great two pages though.
 
Bass said:
I beg any of you who bothered to buy and read this crap to just strip your pull list of Marvel's idiocy and instead go into your comic shop and pick up anything that came out of Europe. Just try GREEN MANOR or THE BELLYBUTTONS or THORGAL or TINTIN or ASTERIX or XIII or LUCKY LUKE or CLIFTON or something I've not read and tell me it's good so I can.
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If Europe's comics spells words like "color" with a "u" than count me out.
 
Bass said:
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In all seriousness, I've not tried Hercules/Amadeus Cho and I've only heard good things. As for Wolverine: Weapon X and Secret Avengers, I haven't heard about it, but I don't care really. I tried Thunderbolts and it has never been good. Atlas, I dunno. Spider-Man is very hit and miss. Daredevil, I liked and haven't picked up in a while mainly because Daredevil is a crappy Batman (I wish it weren't so, but he is). Iron Man is a **** character, Thor is dull as hell (except for Ultimate Thor), as is Captain America. I didn't realise SHIELD was out and will give it a shot, and Secret Warriors I've skimmed and doesn't interest me. The cosmic books don't interest me either, and I don't know about Secret Six. Also, I thought Marvel Adventures is redrawn reprints, so I'm not interested.
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I can see your points about Thor, Iron Man, and Captain America (though I vehemently disagree about Captain America and Iron Man), Marvel Adventures are stories set in their own continuity and are basically single issue and never have any major crossovers. Which Thunderbolts have you tried? Because the book's tone has shifted since post-Civil War and Dark Reign.

My call to dump Marvel was more regarding the "event" titles, that is, titles linked to the big continuity-wide crossovers (Avengers and so forth) as it's just poopy.
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Actually I think they're putting major crossovers to rest for now, any events are line contained (like World War Hulks in Hulk titles, Second Coming in the X-books, etc.)

But, I will give these a try, if I can. The thing is... right, these may be cool, but they are all mainstream superhero stuff, and that has a certain type of qualities to it that don't satiate me. I don't mean they suck, but it's like Scott McCloud said; "Superheroes are like cake. Who wants cake for every meal?" I'm really enjoying picking up titles like THE BELLYBUTTONS, a comedy about three teenage girls where each page is a different story, or PARKER, a terrific pulp comic. (That said, I'm really enjoying CRIMINAL which is Marvel too.)
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That's a good point, though I'd argue that it's not necessarily cake for every meal but cake with every meal (well for me it is). Incidentally, have you ever tried The Goon?.

Just to clarify why it's awesome: It's not awesome because it is a huge spanning spectacle or what-have-you. It's awesome because it juggles dozens of characters who all have intricate backstories whilst giving them a 'end-of-the-world' scenario and is actually entertaining and readable. These characters, whom you have never heard of before walk onto the page fully-formed and completely understandable with the feeling that they existed in their own titles for years before and yet, you don't need to go back to read anything else to understand it. If you look at how it's written and how you read it cold, then imagine reading CIVIL WAR or FINAL CRISIS 'cold' (i.e. if you knew nothing about any of them) you realise just how lazy and shallow those comics are. TERRA OBSCURA is terrific because it's so... whole.
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Sounds good.
 
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