The Social Thread: Houde Ain't Gettin' Some Tonight

Captain Canuck said:
Wow guys... I'm sorry.
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Don't worry, it only four year. Unless he gets impeached before then. By the way you might want to make some room up there. I heard just moments after the announcement. Your imagination site crashed. And with Trump as president, Ice will probably move out of Houde's closest and into yours...
 
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the watcher said:
Don't worry, it only four year. Unless he gets impeached before then. By the way you might want to make some room up there. I heard just moments after the announcement. Your imagination site crashed. And with Trump as president, Ice will probably move out of Houde's closest and into yours...
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The immigration Canada site crashed while the results were still coming in. Which is pretty funny.
 
Every time I see the words "President Trump" it's like it doesn't seem real. I can't believe people let this happen.
 
E said:
Every time I see the words "President Trump" it's like it doesn't seem real. I can't believe people let this happen.
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For years television and movies have made jokes about someone like him being elected in the future. It understandable how it would come off as unreal when it happens.

I understand why they elected him. People are tired of the same old crap that comes with every politician. There are a lot of state and towns that haven't really bounce back from the recession. Plus no one really thought he would win. So they probably didn't fight it that much.

Hopefully this will be an eye opener for the politicians. They'll have to unite and work together to keep him from embarrassing the country. Instead of fighting with each other like they have for the past decade.
 
wyokid said:
Unfortunately it was the best possible outcome. Hopefully if there's a democracy by next election we will have better options.
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Not really. I'm not a Hillary fan as you well know, but as I specifically said to you in emails, the deregulation/trickle down approach Trump and other Republicans have been pushing for past 35 years never works, and ends same way every time: in major recession.

Trickle down didn't work in 1890's when it was referred to as "horse and sparrow" theory.

Savings & Loan Crisis of 1989 due to Reagan's deregulation and trickle down approach caused a recession that lasted through HW Bush's term. Bill eventually pulled us out of that and handed W Bush a massive budget surplus and strong economy. W managed to squander that surplus away within first two years, all the while pushing more trickle down and deregulation and well, we all know how that ended up in 2008.

Trickle down has only helped shrink middle class. It doesn't create jobs as they claim, else we'd have seen record job growth under Bush's record breaking tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, but just the opposite happened.

Now Trump is pushing more deregulation and trickle down.

It's incredible how so many people have such short memories or are completely ignorant about history. Truth is, economy has always done better under Democratic economic policies than Republican policies. Median wage growth is always better under Democratic than Republican economic policies.

Putting more money into hands of the already wealthy doesn't increase their spending, as they already have more money than they'll likely ever need and therefore aren't living on a tight budget. However, as said, their spending doesn't necessarily increase. What actually happens is the money is stored in offshore non taxable bank accounts and not spent in our country (which is what's necessary for stable economic growth).

But if that money is directed where it should be (the middle class and poor), they spend that money because they usually have to to make ends meet. That means more money spent, injected into economy, and increased business, which leads to hiring and job creation. Every single minimum wage increase in history has resulted in job growth, whereas trickle down results in job loss and inevitable recession.

I get not liking Hillary. She's shady as hell. But then again, so is Donald. Difference is Hillary was at least capable, and her policies have been proven to work, whereas Trump's economic policies have been proven to fail... repeatedly. Ultimately, I think too many people focus too much on the individual and not their policies. That's a definitively short sighted view that comes back to bite people in the ass.

A definition of insanity is trying same thing over and over and expecting different results. This is W. Bush 2.0.

That said, I hope Trump is able to re-negotiate the various trade deals like he claimed through this campaign, but I find it unlikely, especially since it's CONGRESS, and not Trump, who will legislate any such deals. And given Trump's inherent hypocrisy of utilizing a lot of foreign labor, I don't see him doing anything that'll ultimately cost him money or affect his personal profits. Same goes for his supposed closing of tax loopholes. You're kidding yourself if you think he's going to close those loopholes that save him tens of millions in taxes every year.

His tax cuts are also going to bankrupt the government and likely lead to another expensive government shutdown (last one cost us tens of billions). See, it's really simple: you can't build a $40 billion dollar border wall (pointless anyway given the thousands of existing drug tunnels that run under border, which will soon give cartels a new revenue source by taking over coyote trade of smuggling illegals in through those tunnels), you can't drastically expand the military, you can't deport millions of illegal immigrants at same time you're cutting taxes. It's simple math. Many unfortunately can't see the long game and are unable to look past "tax cuts".

I hate both candidates, but Hillary's policies have been proven to actually work and grow economy. Trump's have been repeatedly proven to fail and hurt economy. It's that simple.

And so, we're likely in for another recession in next few years once his policies pass the Republican majority controlled Congress and are given a bit to take effect.

Humanity has an amazing capacity to not learn from history and repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

Beyond the economic problems Trump's policies will create, there are far more reaching issues. Specifically, his largely anti-science stance (he's a climate change denier, anti-vaxxer, and rampant conspiracy theorist).

He's promised to defund Department of Education which will put half a million teachers out of work, and deprive our children and next generation of necessary educational opportunities as a result.

We're basically witnessing the path to Idiocracy becoming a reality, it seems. Perhaps that's a bit hyperbolic, but it's also not completely off base.

And with that history lesson, I'm out.

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I had a funny reaction image to your post, but I'm not debating politics here man. Don't try to email me this stuff either because we finally stopped talking about it there too. Enjoy this tweet

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DIrishB said:
Facts are pesky things, aren't they? ;)
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I refuse to talk politics with you until you've spent time educating yourself on the fact by reading the emails like I have. It's a moot point to discuss things when all parties are not up to speed on the same things. There are plenty of short videos on YouTube filling things in for the people who don't have time to read like I did. I am done with this discussion.
 
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wyokid said:
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I refuse to talk politics with you until you've spent time educating yourself on the fact by reading the emails like I have. It's a moot point to discuss things when all parties are not up to speed on the same things. There are plenty of short videos on YouTube filling things in for the people who don't have time to read like I did. I am done with this discussion.
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Sigh, again, as I CLEARLY said, both candidates are scumbags. And educate myself? Thanks, but as I've clearly shown I'm well versed in politics and the scumbaggery inherent in it. More important I'm a fan of history and learn from it as so few do. Meanwhile you're continually turning blind eye to the inevitable economic recession we're facing due to trickle down. Irony. ;)

Further, no one said you had to respond. I was just trying to point out a salient reality, sorry that offends you. No need for a discussion.

Whole point of the post was to show one has a viable economic plan and the other doesn't. But I get you can't actually disprove that point, so choose to deflect. It's ok. I get it.

Never once said Hillary didn't have massive skeletons in her closet. Just as Trump does.

Further, this is actually a discussion of economic policies, not technically politics, so relax.
 
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Why do you assume I am a fan of trickle down economics when I've literally never said anything about them to you in my entire life? Trickle down, much like socialism, is something that only works in theory.
 
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wyokid said:
Why do you assume I am a fan of trickle down economics when I've literally never said anything about them to you in my entire life? Trickle down, much like socialism, is something that only works in theory.
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I am not assuming you are a fan at all. And I agree both trickle down & socialism only work in theory.

I'm saying, economically speaking, due to the inevitable trickle down/deregulation approach Trump is openly advocating/pushing for, he is not the better candidate in that regard, given the inevitable outcome. I am not accusing you of anything, relax. I am merely pointing out the reality that in some ways Trump is better, and in other ways (economically speaking most notably) Hillary is better. Both are criminals in some way, shape or form. A lot of what's said about both is blown out of proportion for political agenda purposes, but anyone with half a brain knows they were just two, really **** options. It becomes a matter of semantics in that regard.

That's why, again, I vote for policies, not personalities. I do not like Hillary at all. I don't trust her any more than I trust Donald Trump. There's a reason they are considered the two most disliked and untrustworthy candidates in history. It's not without just cause on both sides.

Inevitably you have to make a choice about what policies you want to see implemented. Its that simple. We'll see what the anthropomorphic Cheeto can do. I'm actually willing to give him benefit of the doubt and see what he can accomplish in terms of renegotiating trade deals. I just think he's in for rude awakening when he realizes international diplomacy and deal making with foreign governments is very different from the type of deal making Donald is supposedly so good at.

I'm just trying hard to be optimistic. But my biggest concern is the economy. That's life blood of the nation after all and if it craps out so does our ability to sustain a national defense, or keep people fed and working, etc. People depend on it for literally everything but ignore the history of the very thing that sustains our society.
 
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DIrishB said:
the deregulation/trickle down approach Trump and other Republicans have been pushing for past 35 years never works, and ends same way every time: in major recession.
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Trickle down economics is a cancer and the biggest lie ever spouted by the right.
 
E said:
Trickle down economics is a cancer and the biggest lie ever spouted by the right.
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Speaking of cancers, the SJWs reactions to the election are priceless. Reminds me of the right when Obama won, but twice as much cringe. They literally can't right now, they just can't even.
 
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