Fair enough. I just think that if they were to come up with an answer to explain BM66/WW77, they'd not say it's in the Wonder Woman universe and not Batman's universe too.
Tom Ellis said the cameo and therefore Crisis happened, on his Earth, in the 5 years before the show Lucifer, in which his Earth still exists. So that shows Earth-666 is still there post Crisis.At least that explanation offers a good ending to Batman (1966) and Wonder Woman (1975), they have survived after the Crisis.
I guess The Flash's Earth-90 is definitively gone, because it was destroyed as a "test" by the "good" Monitor in 2018's Elseworlds (and because it's part of its story arc and it caused that 90 Flash's beautiful sacrifice scene in Part 3!), so it remains:
- Earth-F: Superman (1941-1943)
- Earth-203: Birds of Prey (2002-2003)
- Earth-DCEU: DC Movies (2013 -)
- Earth-666: Lucifer (2016 -)
I guess that for the two first Earths, we won't know until an official confirmation; and for the last two, if a DCEU movie and/or if an episode of Lucifer's Season 5 takes place in January 2020 or after, so Earth-DCEU and/or Earth-666 is part of the New Multiverse?
Well, it's never confirmed that Crisis happens between 2011 and 2016 on Earth-666. Lucifer has the ability to see through universes in the comics, so he could have became aware of it between those events. The cameo is still in that part of the timeline though. Think how when Jon was sent to Earth-16 it was said to be an alternate universe and the future, not just an alternate universe.
It's still just a fan explanation to make the crossover fit together with this list a little better, of cause.At least that explanation offers a good ending to Batman (1966) and Wonder Woman (1975), they have survived after the Crisis.
Yeah I know, like the Arrowverse characters but contrary to the main characters, they weren't informed of the Crisis by J'onn J'onzz!
But Crisis is confirmed to happen before the events of Lucifer. So the events of Lucifer happening proves Earth-666 is there.
They can time travel.
They probably did travel in time. That's not my point. Crisis happened before Lucifer so if that Earth didn't come back into existence, the events in the show wouldn't exist, but they do.
How do we know it happened before Lucifer?
Tom Ellis said.
...and he wasn't just referring to the scene from the crossover?
He said "it's (meaning when the skys went red on Earth-666) in the five years before the show Lucifer started"
Eh, I watched it again and I'm still not convinced. He's talking about from Lucifer's perspective. If the Crisis happened before the show, he wouldn't say it's in the 5 years before the beginning of the show.
I must be, the only way it isn't is if pre Lucifer Lucifer time travel to the future, past the events of the show for some reason but that just seems head canon.
Or:
That is not a confirmed ability, that explanation just seems like more head canon.
Ok. Sure, let's go with Crisis destroying everything and it's restored after.
I dont see the problem.
It's not a contradiction necessarily, but it doesn't line up with what Tom Ellis said.
Can you explain more
Tom Ellis said the scene in Crisis is in the 5 years before Lucifer. If the scene occurred in an alternate 2011-2016, it's not 5 years before Lucifer takes place because the series and the scene are in different continuities.
The exact discussion:
So now you agree that that scene does take place before the Lucifer show.
I always have said that.
So then Earth-666 gets destroyed before Lucifer
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