DC Live-Action Multiverse - Viewing/Reading Order

[Pro Bot]

So then Earth-666 gets destroyed before Lucifer

No.

Tom Ellis said the scene in Crisis is in the 5 years before Lucifer. If the scene occurred in an alternate 2011-2016 (pre-crisis), it's not 5 years before Lucifer takes place (post-crisis) because the series and the scene are in different continuities.

 

[moonholls]

No.

It's still 5 years before those events even if they weren't to occur.

 

[Dok95]

I always have said that.
2011 - Lucifer 3x11
201? - Earth-666 sequence
2016 - Lucifer series
2017 - Lucifer series
2019 - Multiverse destroyed

It's not an official confirmation but Lucifer Wiki is consistent with Pro Bot said: https://lucifer.fandom.com/wiki/Universe#Trivia

"This universe is part of the Arrowverse, as revealed in the third part of the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover event. This universe is designated Earth-666.

• Additionally, it's revealed God only created the first version of Earth-666 in the multiverse. The version that appears as of Season 1 was created by Oliver Queen/The Spectre and the seven Paragons at the dawn of time."

But what is said after is consistent with moonholls:

"On December 10th 2019, the universe was wiped out by antimatter.

• However, behind the scenes reveals Earth-666 has slower moving time. This places the Crisis at some point prior to 2016 in Earth-666's timeline; if Lucifer had met Chloe prior to the threat of the antimatter, he would have been panicked."

So I don't know if it can be a reliable source...

 

[Dok95]

A very interesting interview of Guggenheim for Entertainment Weekly: https://ew.com/tv/2020/01/15/crisis-on-infinite-earths-marc-guggenheim-earth-prime-ezra-mille

"The Crisis comic destroyed the multiverse and condensed everything into a single Earth. Here, though, you guys decided to reboot the entire multiverse. Why did you want to do that?

Basically, I promised DC and all the powers that be that if they just let me destroy all the various different shows in hour 1, I would bring them back in hour 5. I promised that I would put all of the toys back in the toy box once we were finished. For us, the most important status quo change was, of course, combining the CW shows into a single Earth. I like to think that I'm a considerate enough showrunner that I'm not going to destroy the shows of other showrunners."

(Then he talks about the relation of Earth-2 Laurel and the new Earth-2 on Stargirl, we will se that in the series finale; and much more, very interesting)

So it looks like that every Earths are restored, then?
At least, every Earths with a TV show/movie/cartoons associated with?

 

[Pro Bot]

A very interesting interview of Guggenheim for Entertainment Weekly: https://ew.com/tv/2020/01/15/crisis-on-infinite-earths-marc-guggenheim-earth-prime-ezra-mille

"The Crisis comic destroyed the multiverse and condensed everything into a single Earth. Here, though, you guys decided to reboot the entire multiverse. Why did you want to do that?

Basically, I promised DC and all the powers that be that if they just let me destroy all the various different shows in hour 1, I would bring them back in hour 5. I promised that I would put all of the toys back in the toy box once we were finished. For us, the most important status quo change was, of course, combining the CW shows into a single Earth. I like to think that I'm a considerate enough showrunner that I'm not going to destroy the shows of other showrunners."

(Then he talks about the relation of Earth-2 Laurel and the new Earth-2 on Stargirl, we will se that in the series finale; and much more, very interesting)

So it looks like that every Earths are restored, then?
At least, every Earths with a TV show/movie/cartoons associated with?

It's the same Earth-2 in Stargirl as the one in the main Arrowverse restored, then? Huh.

 

[Dok95]

It's the same Earth-2 in Stargirl as the one in the main Arrowverse restored, then? Huh.

We will see it properly in the series finale I guess.

And also we will see how the Crisis will impact the future series set in the future ( ), Green Arrow and the Canaries! I hope the series will not take place only in the future, because the Season 7 & 8 flashforwards weren't amazing...

(My link to the interview was broken, here's the actual link: https://ew.com/tv/2020/01/15/crisis-on-infinite-earths-marc-guggenheim-earth-prime-ezra-miller-mia/ )

 

[Pro Bot]

Looks like Post-Crisis is in the lead.

So how do I work with that? 2011 for the Flashback episode and the rest in it's post Crisis 2016-2017.

 

[moonholls]

Looks like Post-Crisis is in the lead.

So how do I work with that? 2011 for the Flashback episode and the rest in it's post Crisis 2016-2017.

Season 3 episode 11 could happen pre crisis but that is unknown.

 

[Pro Bot]

Ok.

I'll also keep it in pre-crisis for a couple days just in case I have to move it back and it takes forever, but I've got it's new place too.

 

[moonholls]

Something that has confused me about 60's Batman, in 1977 Dick has become Nightwing but in 1979 he is still Robin. The rule normally with canonicity is if it's on screen it's canon, so is this evidence towards the tie-in comics not being canon

 

[Pro Bot]

Something that has confused me about 60's Batman, in 1977 Dick has become Nightwing but in 1979 he is still Robin. The rule normally with canonicity is if it's on screen it's canon, so is this evidence towards the tie-in comics not being canon

Well, with Earth-67 being a new universe, albeit a fan-made explanation to fit it in, he's simply Nightwing in the new version of Legends of the Superheroes. Think how, in Earth-Prime, everything is different. Set photos of the final episode of Arrow show

Spoiler

Moria Queen alive

for example. If

Spoiler

people's deaths

have been altered, a new identity isn't impossible. It's the same explanation for the fact that it's referenced as 1966 in the crossover yet it has to be after the show that can't take place entirely within 1966 because of evidence within the show. It's that some of the show may have happened and events were shuffled around.

Would you guys prefer I keep it in Earth-76 instead of an explanation that involves post-crisis merging?

 

[moonholls]

Well, with Earth-67 being a new universe, albeit a fan-made explanation to fit it in, he's simply Nightwing in the new version of Legends of the Superheroes. Think how, in Earth-Prime, everything is different. Set photos of the final episode of Arrow show

Spoiler

Moria Queen alive

for example. If

Spoiler

people's deaths

have been altered, a new identity isn't impossible. It's the same explanation for the fact that it's referenced as 1966 in the crossover yet it has to be after the show that can't take place entirely within 1966 because of evidence within the show. It's that some of the show may have happened and events were shuffled around.

Would you guys prefer I keep it in Earth-76 instead of an explanation that involves post-crisis merging?

Keep it in Earth-76. I don't think they have intentions of changing Earths with other DC shows and movie on as Marc Guggenheim said "I promised that I would put all of the toys back in the toy box once we were finished".

 

[Dok95]

In Crisis on Infinite Giants #1 "Infinite Luthor", Superman is aware of the Waverider thing but he is on Earth-38... Time travel?

Also, there are multiple versions of Lex Luthor and multiple versions of Superman, maybe there are some Luthors and/or Supermen from other shows/movies/animated medias? Did you notice one?

There is an Earth-1938 Lex Luthor + 18 members of the Council of Luthors; then there are 13 Supermen.

 

[moonholls]

In Crisis on Infinite Giants #1 "Infinite Luthor", Superman is aware of the Waverider thing but he is on Earth-38... Time travel?

Also, there are multiple versions of Lex Luthor and multiple versions of Superman, maybe there are some Luthors and/or Supermen from other shows/movies/animated medias? Did you notice one?

There is an Earth-1938 Lex Luthor + 18 members of the Council of Luthors; then there are 13 Supermen.

I looked out for that while reading but all the ones that stood out to me were easter eggs to the comics, for example Superman in a black suit or Lex with a ginger beard and mullet.

 

[Pro Bot]

https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths_Giant_2I wonder if this will clear Earth-12 up?

I thought it would be the Earth-1 version of the Corp, but the wikia says otherwise. They could be wrong...

 

[Pro Bot]

Obviously I'm not going to add it to the timeline, but I like to think Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman is in Earth-89 because the Batman/Batman Returns Batmobile was stolen in the show.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Bruce_Wayne_(Lois_&_Clark)I'd say something about it being difficult to steal the Batmobile, but this happened in Batman Returns.

Again, it's just an Easter Egg compared to Catwoman's connected origin to Selina Kyle as well as a picture of her, although it does seem like a strange coincidence that Batman had a new Batmobile the same year. If Earth-89 had a Superman, which it does, it would be Nicholas Cage.

 

[Dok95]

(Promo photo for The Flash 6×10)

In our world, that seems normal; but that T-shirt means a lot now Earth-38 and Earth-1 have merged!

 

[Dok95]

Green Lantern 2011's Earth-12 appears in Crisis on Infinite Earths Giant #2: https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths_Giant_2

"Earth-12 is home to a version of the Guardians and the Green Lantern Corps, as well as the Book of Oa, which allowed Felicity Smoak to learn the names of some of the Paragons."

Also, in #1, Superman actually doesn't travel time to go to Earth-38 but go to Earth-86:

"It was revealed that the Crisis had caused Superman to become disoriented and accidentally travel to the Fortress of Solitude on Earth-86, mistaking it for his own from the destroyed Earth-38."

Soooo, does someone has the comics and can share it?

 

[Pro Bot]

Green Lantern 2011's Earth-12 appears in Crisis on Infinite Earths Giant #2: https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths_Giant_2

"Earth-12 is home to a version of the Guardians and the Green Lantern Corps, as well as the Book of Oa, which allowed Felicity Smoak to learn the names of some of the Paragons."

Also, in #1, Superman actually doesn't travel time to go to Earth-38 but go to Earth-86:

"It was revealed that the Crisis had caused Superman to become disoriented and accidentally travel to the Fortress of Solitude on Earth-86, mistaking it for his own from the destroyed Earth-38."

Soooo, does someone has the comics and can share it?

Guess that places Green Lantern in the pre-crisis multiverse.

Anyone that does, any cameos?

 

[Dok95]

Guess that places Green Lantern in the pre-crisis multiverse.

Anyone that does, any cameos?

Maybe the Council of Supermen and/or the Council of Luthors (seen in both comics) have some Supermen or Luthors from alternate universes from other DC Comics TV shows/movies/animated medias/comics?

The Arrowverse says: "Multiple Lex Luthors from the council were already introduce in other DC Comic media."
I don't know who wrote that and I don't know what are the medias...

Also: "There is a version of Lex Luthor who appeared with red hair which is a reference of Jesse Eisenberg portrayal of the character in the DCEU." But DCEU is already in the Multiverse. Also he is bald since Batman v Superman so I think it's just a reference and it's not the same DCEU Luthor!

 

[Dok95]

The scenes that showed Titans, Doom Patrol and Swamp Thing in Crisis (Part One: Titans // Part Five: Titans, Doom Patrol and Swamp Thing); are they new scenes shot for the Crisis cameos or are they archive footages?

If they are archive footages, do you know what are the exact episodes?

 

[Dok95]

Man of Steel - Prequel
Black Adam
Wonder Woman
Wonder Woman: Epilogue: Etta's Mission
Lucifer 5x04, "It Never Ends for the Chicken"
Superman 1x01, "The Mad Scientist"

Why Black Adam is placed between Man of Steel - Prequel (15,988 B.C. - 1,500 B.C.) and Wonder Woman (1918)?
Also why Lucifer 5x04, "It Never Ends for the Chicken" is placed between Etta's Mission (1918) and Superman 1x01, "The Mad Scientist" (1941)?

Do you have any official confirmations or hints?

 

[Pro Bot]

Why Black Adam is placed between Man of Steel - Prequel (15,988 B.C. - 1,500 B.C.) and Wonder Woman (1918)?
Also why Lucifer 5x04, "It Never Ends for the Chicken" is placed between Etta's Mission (1918) and Superman 1x01, "The Mad Scientist" (1941)?

Do you have any official confirmations or hints?

Lucifer 5x04 is confirmed to, at least partially, be set in the 1920s and Black Adam is confirmed an origin story. The only Justice Society members confirmed to be in the film fit with the timeline of 1600 B.C., when the Kahndaq massacre happened.

 

[Dok95]

Earth-96
Superman - The Movie: Special Edition
Superman II
Superman Returns

Last question for the night: I know you will do an Earth-96 timeline, but just to know, what are the years of these three movies?
I know Returns takes place 5 years after II, but what are the exact years?

 

[Pro Bot]

Last question for the night: I know you will do an Earth-96 timeline, but just to know, what are the years of these three movies?
I know Returns takes place 5 years after II, but what are the exact years?

1997 - Superman: The Movie: Special Edition estimate
2001 - Superman II
2006 - Superman Returns
2019 - Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 2
2020 - Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 5

 

[Dok95]

And which versions of the two movies are canon?
(How many minutes-long?)

 

[Pro Bot]

And which versions of the two movies are canon?

Superman: The Movie: Special Edition
Superman II

 

[Dok95]

Superman: The Movie: Special Edition
Superman II

For the II, why this one isn't canon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_II:_The_Richard_Donner_Cut
It was made the same year of Returns (2006)?

 

[Pro Bot]

For the II, why this one isn't canon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_II:_The_Richard_Donner_Cut
It was made the same year of Returns (2006)?

It was made after, for starters.

Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut picks up immediately after the first film.

Lois and Clark have sex in both cuts of Superman II, which leads to Jason's birth, but in Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut, Superman

Spoiler

time travels to before the movie started and stops the missile from the first film from opening the Phantom Zone. Since it's implied that event from Superman II created Jason, it cannot be Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut because that event was erased from existence

. I actually prefer Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut other than the ending.

This is further supported by Superman Returns: Prequel.

 

[Dok95]

It was made after, for starters.

Lois and Clark have sex in both cuts of Superman II, but in Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut, Superman

Spoiler

time travels to before the mo

Last question (nofake ): can you tell me how minutes are the canon versions of the movies?
I'll try to find the correct versions in France (if they exist)!