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X-Men Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Revised & Original)
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Legion is Earth-17040 and Earth-19264 (the reset timeline in the finale).
The Gifted is NOT part of Earth-10005 but now Earth-17372.
Source: Marvel Appendix.
The Gifted is NOT part of Earth-10005 but now Earth-17372.
Source: Marvel Appendix.
Ok, I am confused. Let see if I am getting this right: First class (and a prequel comic or whatever), origins, the first 3 xmen movies, Wolverine and the begining of Days of the future past happen and then the time travel creates the universe of days of the future past and the movie sequels until dark Phoenix, where no one ages for some reason, and then deadpool 1 happens and then the time travel in deadpool 2 creates another 3rd reality where vanessa is alive. Does new mutants happen in the 2nd or 3rd timelines? And Logan? And the 2023 from the ending of days of the future past?
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Earth-10005 (Original Timeline)
1962 - X-Men: First Class
1979 - X-Men Origins: Wolverine
2002 - X-Men
2002 - X2: X-Men United
2006 - X-Men: The Last Stand
2013 - The Wolverine: Unleashed Extended Edition
2023 - X-Men: Days of Future Past (DoFP timeline)
Earth-66250 (Cable's Timeline)
1962 - X-Men: First Class
1973 - X-Men: Days of Future Past
1983 - X-Men: Apocalypse
1992 - X-Men: Dark Phoenix
2016 - Deadpool
2018 - Deadpool 2: Super Duper $@%!#& Cut (Pre-Cable scenes)
2068 - Deadpool 2: Super Duper $@%!#& Cut (Cable's future)
Earth-41633 (Deadpool 2 Timeline)
1962 - X-Men: First Class
1973 - X-Men: Days of Future Past
1983 - X-Men: Apocalypse
1992 - X-Men: Dark Phoenix
2016 - Deadpool
2018 - Deadpool 2: Super Duper $@%!#& Cut (Ends with time travel)
Earth-17315 (Venessa Lives/Logan Timeline)
1962 - X-Men: First Class
1973 - X-Men: Days of Future Past
1983 - X-Men: Apocalypse
1992 - X-Men: Dark Phoenix
2016 - Deadpool
2018 - Deadpool 2: Super Duper $@%!#& Cut (Venessa saved)
2018 - The New Mutants
2023 - X-Men: Days of Future Past (Epilogue)
2029 - Logan
Earth-18315 (Deadpool kills Weapon XI Timeline)
1962 - X-Men: First Class
1979 - X-Men Origins: Wolverine (prior to Weapon XI's entrance)
1979 - Deadpool 2: Super Duper $@%!#& Cut (Weapon XI scene)
Earth-17040 (Legion Timeline)
1994 - Legion S1
1995 - Legion S2
1997 - Legion S3, ep 1-6
Earth-19264 (Legion Reset Timeline)
1964 - Legion S3, ep 7-8
Earth-17372 (The Gifted Timeline)
2017 - The Gifted S1
2017 - The Gifted S2, ep 1-13
2018 - The Gifted S2, ep 14-16
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Thanks Then If the epilogue of DoFP is only in the Earth-17315 timeline then the version of the events that we see is the timeline "after" the changes in the timeline in deadpool 2? Also, the videogame of X Men the Official Game is contradicted by some other information or is it still considered canon?
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I personally believe that X-Men: The Official Game can still fit into canon as long as you accept that there are two versions of the Silver Samurai.
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Frankly, it contradicts the official canon as much as the movies contradict each other so it might as well be
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actually, if we are going by official listings, shouldn't Logan be separate as well? the marvel wiki gives it a separate reality number
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Keep in mind, that wiki also considers the post-DoFP films (besides Logan) as a separate "unofficial temporary reality number" (Earth-TRN414) DESPITE New Mutants being the connective tissue.
Saw someone pointed that out to them at one point and they literally said that "wasn't sufficient evidence". lmao
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We don't go off the Marvel wiki. They placed The New Mutants in a standalone universe at one point, and THEN changed it to be in the Revised Timeline seperate from Logan when it released. They still list Helstrom as a standalone universe.
Both the films themselves and official statements place Logan in the X-Men movie canon. The Marvel Appendix simply states that Logan takes place in Earth-17315, which doesn't really say it isn't part of the Revised Timeline, because if Logan is the Revised Timeline then the Revised Timeline is Earth-17315.
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So Hugh is back in Deadpool 3.
Apparently, they can't use new actors as X-Men characters yet. So, it makes sense for Feige to get some use from the old ones. Like we've seen with Peters, Stewart, and now Jackman.
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I personally think Deadpool 3 will start in the X-Men continuity. Playing Wolverine "one more time" implies that he won't be playing the MCU Wolverine.
So many actors returning to an old comic book role in quick succession. Brandon Routh, Tom Welling, Michael Keaton, Ben Affleck and Keanu Reeves from DC, and Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield, Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman for Marvel. I shouldn't be shocked anymore but I am.
So many actors returning to an old comic book role in quick succession. Brandon Routh, Tom Welling, Michael Keaton, Ben Affleck and Keanu Reeves from DC, and Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield, Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman for Marvel. I shouldn't be shocked anymore but I am.
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https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/d...verine-return-mcu-hugh-jackman-ryan-reynolds/
Yeah, I'm guessing it starts out in Earth-17315 and transitions over to Earth-199999 via universe hopping shenanigans
Yeah, I'm guessing it starts out in Earth-17315 and transitions over to Earth-199999 via universe hopping shenanigans
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2024 - One year after Days of Future Past for Logan. I wonder if they'll force Hugh to wear the yellow suit this time. It would certainly make sense. In Logan, there were X-Men comic books with the classic outfits similar to what we see in Deadpool. Probably won't, but I'd love to see the Mr. Sinister teases resolved.
Not to mention how it'll probably tie into the ongoing storyline in the MCU with Kang's shenanigans and the following Secret Wars.
Not to mention how it'll probably tie into the ongoing storyline in the MCU with Kang's shenanigans and the following Secret Wars.
I'm expecting references to the convoluted nature of the Fox movies and their timelines.
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They've already done that, and it was funny the first time, but I personally would rather they didn't. Apparently a recast for a younger Xavier is super confusing. To be honest with you, I think people exaggerate how complicated it is. I get why people think that though. It released out of order with two prequels and a time travel movie, and there's plenty of discrepancies for fans to notice.
Days of Future Past is fairly easy to follow if you have an understanding of the order of things. I blame the people who called the X-Men: Beginnings movies prequels. The amount of times I've heard but Mystique was alive in the first movie...
There is, of course, more complicated things but nothing the average person would think about, like Deadpool's age and the multiple Wade Wilsons.
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I don't think the order of the movies is difficult to follow if someone explains it to you, the number of minor continuity mistakes is what makes it so convolutedThey've already done that, and it was funny the first time, but I personally would rather they didn't. Apparently a recast for a younger Xavier is super confusing. To be honest with you, I think people exaggerate how complicated it is. I get why people think that though. It released out of order with two prequels and a time travel movie, and there's plenty of discrepancies for fans to notice.
Days of Future Past is fairly easy to follow if you have an understanding of the order of things. I blame the people who called the X-Men: Beginnings movies prequels. The amount of times I've heard but Mystique was alive in the first movie...
There is, of course, more complicated things but nothing the average person would think about, like Deadpool's age and the multiple Wade Wilsons.
It is like if the X-Men universe were 4 or 5 different universes that Fox insisted were the same continuity:
-The original trilogy
-The prequels
-The Deadpool movies
-The New Mutants
-And every Wolverine movie is part of a diferent chunk of the universe: the Origins is a similar but not exactly indentical universe of the original trilogy, the Wolverine is a original trilogy movie and the Logan movie is a New Mutants universe
And yes, I know that technically, the original and prequel movies are diferent universes, but they present continuity discrepancies that are not explanable with time travel, like Storm, Jean and Cyclops been born at diferent times and Apocalypse arriving without explanation of why he didn't arrive in the other timeline.
-The original trilogy
-The prequels
-The Deadpool movies
-The New Mutants
-And every Wolverine movie is part of a diferent chunk of the universe: the Origins is a similar but not exactly indentical universe of the original trilogy, the Wolverine is a original trilogy movie and the Logan movie is a New Mutants universe
And yes, I know that technically, the original and prequel movies are diferent universes, but they present continuity discrepancies that are not explanable with time travel, like Storm, Jean and Cyclops been born at diferent times and Apocalypse arriving without explanation of why he didn't arrive in the other timeline.
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I thought about this:
Time travel successful
1973/2023: X-Men Days of Future Past (Rouge Cut)
Gone bad
1964: Wade Wilson Jr is born
1973: X-Men Days of Future Past Teatratichal Cut
1979: X-Men Origins Wolverine (revised timeline version)
1983: X-Men Apocalypse
1990: Deadpool
2018: The new mutants
2029: Logan
2068: The future of Cable
Cabel's time travel
1991: Deadpool 2 Super Duper Cut
1991: Deadpool 3?
1992: X-Men Dark Phoenix
2024: Doctor Strange In the Multiverse of Madness
Time travel successful
1973/2023: X-Men Days of Future Past (Rouge Cut)
Gone bad
1964: Wade Wilson Jr is born
1973: X-Men Days of Future Past Teatratichal Cut
1979: X-Men Origins Wolverine (revised timeline version)
1983: X-Men Apocalypse
1990: Deadpool
2018: The new mutants
2029: Logan
2068: The future of Cable
Cabel's time travel
1991: Deadpool 2 Super Duper Cut
1991: Deadpool 3?
1992: X-Men Dark Phoenix
2024: Doctor Strange In the Multiverse of Madness
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1. Storm, Jean and Cyclops were not born at different times. Their ages are the same, even if Jean looks younger in the flashback in X-Men: The Last Stand. There are no discrepancies here.
2. Apocalypse did not arrive without explanation. He was trapped and only freed in the Revised Timeline.
I'm sure I could easily resolve most issues people have with the small inconsistencies.
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The Earth numbers don't match. I stick to canon as close as I can.
Deadpool 2 is confirmed 2018 by the Appendix and dates in the film, such as The Hero Flakes cereal expiration date being in 2020.
Earth-10005 - Original Timeline
X-Men: First Class
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
X-Men: The Last Stand
The Wolverine: Unleashed Extended Edition
X-Men: Days of Future Past
Branches 1973
Earth-66250 - Cable's Timeline
X-Men: First Class
X-Men: Days of Future Past
X-Men: Apocalypse
X-Men: Dark Phoenix
Deadpool
Deadpool 2: Super Duper $@%!#& Cut (Prologue/2068 scenes)
Branches 2018
Earth-41633 - Deadpool 2 Timeline
X-Men: First Class
X-Men: Days of Future Past
X-Men: Apocalypse
X-Men: Dark Phoenix
Deadpool
Deadpool 2: Super Duper $@%!#& Cut
(Prologue/2068 scenes)
Branches 2018
Earth-17315 - Logan/Venessa Lives Timeline
X-Men: First Class
X-Men: Days of Future Past
X-Men: Apocalypse
X-Men: Dark Phoenix
Deadpool
Deadpool 2: Super Duper $@%!#& Cut (Prologue/Credits)
Deadpool 3
The New Mutants
Logan
Earth-838 is its own thing.
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Just a quick correction, X-Men Origins: Wolverine doesn't happen in the Revised Timeline at all. The Appendix explicitly states that Earth-18315, where Weapon XI is killed by Deadpool, is a divergent timeline to Earth-10005. Cable's device must allow the traversal between closely related timelines in the multiverse, similar to the Quantum Realm time travel seen in Avengers: Endgame.
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I don't care about consistency with off-screen information in a Franchise where consistency doesn't exist even in on-screen information.
10005
Rouge Cut
66250
1973: X-Men Days of Future Past Teatratichal Cut
1979: X-Men Origins Wolverine (revised timeline version)
1983: X-Men Apocalypse
1990: Deadpool
2018: The new mutants
2029: Logan
2068: The future of Cable
17315
1991: Deadpool 2 Super Duper Cut
1991: Deadpool 3?
1992: X-Men Dark Phoenix
838
It's the same process as the previous 2, but in a universe with other super heroes
1992: X-Men Dark Phoenix
2023: Doctor Strange 2
I understand you may disagree with this. But I'm trying to make the timeline more emotionally engaging with a nice ending (Dark Phoenix is a **** movie but in my opinion it gives a good ending for the whole saga that started with First Class) (Also with the addition of "Doc" it would have more sense for this Xavier to be the leader of the illuminati as more severe and always ready to judge others. With the events of "Doc 2" however, he remembers the words of the alternative Xavier realizing that he can still change and sacrifices himself for the multiverse)
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We have no idea how the device works. Wade says he's correcting the timeline and not the timelineS (if I remember correctly) so I guess the events, in a particularly different way, happened.
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As for references to Deadpool over time, I consider them futile, similar to breaking the fourth wall, they are part of the game. Instead I give much more relevance to the X Men cameo in Deadpool 2 which would make no sense after Dark Phoenix, let alone 5 years before DoFP. I prefer to set Deadpool first in the meantime because it works with Wade Wilson SR theory. Although WW Jr. It would be smaller than it looks, it would fit in the timeline. Plus Deadpool himself claims that the timeline is confusing on more than one occasion
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Earth-17315 is literally the universe of Logan. That's what it says, so that's still conflicting. I disagree with it because it's wrong, frankly. No hard feelings.
As for the young X-Men cast? The younger cast essentially became a recast of the originals as time went on. Regardless of whether it makes sense, James McAvoy played a 60 year old Xavier in Dark Phoenix.
As for their actual appearances, it's not as big of an issue as you'd think. You see them for a brief few seconds and they don't look too different from the older cast. Or at least, closer than Edward Norton and Mark Ruffalo hahaha.
How is this any different than any recast? It's just a visual. Nothing contradictory. If it bothers you that much, just say that the X-Men happen to age like Hollywood celebrities. They have 5 years to age into what we see in the Days of Future Past epilogue and, if we take it as a recast, that's mostly viable. I won't make an excuse for McAvoy and Stewart, but at least the scene is short and he doesn't have as many distinguishing features thanks to being bald.
No.
"Logan takes place in 2029. Logan dies in Logan. Totally separate thing" = Logan is still alive because Logan takes place in the future.
2023 - X-Men: Days of Future Past
2024 - Deadpool 3
2029 - Logan
Simple.
Nah. He's alive because Logan hasn't happened yet.
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I reworked my first version to fit with universes. Some things may differ from the original information, but I am doing my utmost to make sure that most things fit together.
Earth-10005 (Original Timeline)
X-Men: First Class
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
X-Men: The Official Game
X-Men: The Last Stand
The Wolverine
The Gifted
X-Men: Days Of Future Past (Rouge Cut) (at the end just 1973 parts)
(New Timeline)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (without Xavier physical appearance)
X-Men: Dark Phoenix
Deadpool
Deadpool 2 (without Logan references)
X-Men: Days Of Future Past (just bad 2023 parts)
Earth-17315 (Logan/Cable's Timeline)
X-Men First Class
X-Men: Days Of Future Past (1973 parts)
X-Men: Apocalypse
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (alternative)
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
X-Men: The Last Stand
The Wolverine
Deadpool
New Mutants
Logan
Earth-66250 (Peaceful Future)
X-Men First Class
X-Men: Days Of Future Past (1973 Parts)
X-Men: Apocalypse
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (alternative)
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
X-Men: The Last Stand
The Wolverine
Deadpool
Deadpool 2 Super Duper Cut
X-Men Days of Future Past (just good 2023 parts)
Earth-41633 (Deadpool Timeline)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (alternative)
Deadpool
Deadpool 2 Super Duper Cut (Vanessa Lives timeline)
Deadpool 3
I like most of the films in this Franchise and I think they can give a lot if consistency issues are solved
Earth-10005 (Original Timeline)
X-Men: First Class
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
X-Men: The Official Game
X-Men: The Last Stand
The Wolverine
The Gifted
X-Men: Days Of Future Past (Rouge Cut) (at the end just 1973 parts)
(New Timeline)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (without Xavier physical appearance)
X-Men: Dark Phoenix
Deadpool
Deadpool 2 (without Logan references)
X-Men: Days Of Future Past (just bad 2023 parts)
Earth-17315 (Logan/Cable's Timeline)
X-Men First Class
X-Men: Days Of Future Past (1973 parts)
X-Men: Apocalypse
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (alternative)
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
X-Men: The Last Stand
The Wolverine
Deadpool
New Mutants
Logan
Earth-66250 (Peaceful Future)
X-Men First Class
X-Men: Days Of Future Past (1973 Parts)
X-Men: Apocalypse
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (alternative)
X-Men
X2: X-Men United
X-Men: The Last Stand
The Wolverine
Deadpool
Deadpool 2 Super Duper Cut
X-Men Days of Future Past (just good 2023 parts)
Earth-41633 (Deadpool Timeline)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (alternative)
Deadpool
Deadpool 2 Super Duper Cut (Vanessa Lives timeline)
Deadpool 3
I like most of the films in this Franchise and I think they can give a lot if consistency issues are solved
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