DC Animated Universe - Timeline (v2.0)

[Jozaca]

@Jozaca I'm trying to make sense of how this all works together chronologically.
If you have an issue with some of my reasoning, please elaborate?

Nop, I was laughing at "Phew. That was a rough one."
When I put the "Haha" emote I literally mean "Haha", not "I disagree with that" as you use it

 

[Megatron]

Holy crap, that Red Hood arc of "Batman: The Adventures Continue" really complicated things.

As for the rearranged order, a lot of it is due to the Mr Freeze and Nora kerfuffle.
She's dead in the aforementioned series. Which means a few things:
1.) In order to keep the "Batman Adventures" (2000s) comic run canon, I'll have to ignore the fact that while Mr Freeze's head was going to be found by "Wayne-Powers" in the original script - that one page was still cut from the story and thus the page itself can't be considered canon. So Victor found his way out of that somehow...
2.) Batman Adventures #15 ends with Nora searching for her husband in the arctic. I assume that didn't help her cure, the illness came back and it killed her; as we see her dead in the "White Christmas" story of the Holiday Special comic.
3.) Finally, Nora's dug up corpse is seen in Batman: The Adventures Continue, so it's the latest point of that whole storyline.
4.) Nothing in HQaB:TLL conflicts with the Nora ordeal. Mr. Freeze is just in a Arkham cell moping. I assume sometime after that he ended up in the custody of "Wayne-Powers" and they reconfigured him by the events of Batman Beyond.

And the Jason Todd Robin thing became complicated when Slade brought up 9/11 and the fact Tim Drake had finals he had to complete (which can occur in December of a school year.)

Phew. That was a rough one.

Honestly I'm okay with this, seems pretty right to me.

 

[selfishmisery]

Nop, I was laughing at "Phew. That was a rough one."
When I put the "Haha" emote I literally mean "Haha", not "I disagree with that" as you use it

No worries!

 

[Megatron]

The Jason Todd arc was what led Watchtower Database to treat The Adventure continues as an alternate timeline where Batman Beyond didn't happen. But when they showed the near Crisis of 2009 I knew that It was no longer the case.

P.S. the Batman Adventure run Is actually pretty Good, for what I Remember.

 

[selfishmisery]

The Jason Todd arc was what led Watchtower Database to treat The Adventure continues as an alternate timeline where Batman Beyond didn't happen. But when they showed the near Crisis of 2009 I knew that It was no longer the case.

P.S. the Batman Adventure run Is actually pretty Good, for what I Remember.

You really have connect the dots and treat it as loose or "open-to-interpretation" canon rather than 100% non-canon.

For example, Mr Freeze even says Nora left him for another man in the revamped "The New Batman Adventures" cartoon. The "Adventures Continue" comic keeps that canon, so regardless Nora dies in the end somehow.

 

[Megatron]

I don't know how you Will do the BTAS section, since do that Is Like go talking a walk in Hell with Jar Jar Binks. But I know you have a Plan (thanks Dutch) for this.

 

[selfishmisery]

I don't know how you Will do the BTAS section, since do that Is Like go talking a walk in Hell with Jar Jar Binks. But I know you have a Plan (thanks Dutch) for this.

Yeah there's about 100 episodes I gotta through lmao. Plus many more BTAS tie-in comics.

 

[Megatron]

You really have connect the dots and treat it as loose or "open-to-interpretation" canon rather than 100% non-canon.

For example, Mr Freeze even says Nora left him for another man in the revamped "The New Batman Adventures" cartoon. The "Adventures Continue" comic keeps that canon, so regardless Nora dies in the end somehow.

Basically the same thing that happened with Joker and the Batman and Harley Quinn tiè in comics? I agree with you way, they're both great and serves to see how the modern DCAU connects to the future of Batman Beyond, so everything for me it's approved to consider Canon the majority of products which serves that propose.

 

[selfishmisery]

BTW, if you find any BTAS or other DCAU episodes with flashbacks let me know because that makes a job a whole lot easier.
Ones without them I don't have to timestamp.

 

[Megatron]

Yeah there's about 100 episodes I gotta through lmao. Plus many more BTAS tie-in comics.

There Is Also the sega game (the Lost episode).

 

[Megatron]

BTW, if you find any BTAS or other DCAU episodes with flashbacks let me know because that makes a job a whole lot easier.
Ones without them I don't have to timestamp.

Absolutely, I Will start tonight or tomorrow.

 

[selfishmisery]

Basically the same thing that happened with Joker and the Batman and Harley Quinn tiè in comics? I agree with you way, they're both great and serves to see how the modern DCAU connects to the future of Batman Beyond, so everything for me it's approved to consider Canon the majority of products which serves that propose.

The thing with Joker and Harley, and the "Adventures Continue" comic did allude to this - Harley is such a broken mental nutcase that she will go back and forth between Joker, to Ivy, back to Joker on loop.

There is no true character development with her. She's as hopeless as the city of Gotham.

 

[Megatron]

If you want I can dive into the comics too

 

[selfishmisery]

If you want I can dive into the comics too

I'm doing all the comics even if it takes me the rest of the year.

Thank God I don't have to consider the completely non-canon Justice League ones...

 

[selfishmisery]

And I will time stamp the episodes with alternate universes, the Fifth Dimension or Phantom Zone, etc. when I get the chance.

I'm done for today. I got other things to do right now.

 

[Megatron]

Okay, my Plan Is to use the order that I sended to you, since he did another Page about the placement of every episode, so that I have a "Canon" year for base. Then I Will send to you 5 episodes and tell you what I found out. Do you prefer to have the message here or I send them to your profile in private for not taking too much space?

 

[selfishmisery]

Okay, my Plan Is to use the order that I sended to you, since he did another Page about the placement of every episode, so that I have a "Canon" year for base. Then I Will send to you 5 episodes and tell you what I found out. Do you prefer to have the message here or I send them to your profile in private for not taking too much space?

Here, please.

 

[selfishmisery]

I feel like I accomplished so much in 5 days compared to the years it took Watchtower Database to figure this stuff out.

 

[Megatron]

I feel like I accomplished so much in 5 days compared to the years it took Watchtower Database to figure this stuff out.

about that, I was just courious, How do you do that, you just speedrun episode, watch only the picture in the comics? (not attacking you, just curiosity).

 

[Megatron]

cos, when I do my projects, I usually take a lot of time, so if you have some advises or tricks that can tell me to how do this timeline projects more efficently than how I am doing now. Thanks.

 

[selfishmisery]

about that, I was just courious, How do you do that, you just speedrun episode, watch only the picture in the comics? (not attacking you, just curiosity).

A lot of DC and DCAU Wiki concurrent studying. Sometimes they mention when certain episodes or comics take place.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

A lot of DC and DCAU Wiki concurrent studying. Sometimes they mention when certain episodes or comics take place.

I have a lot of notes myself so let me know if you get stumped. I can especially help with Static Shock. That one took a lot of brainpower. Same with Batman Beyond and The Zeta Project.

 

[selfishmisery]

What's interesting about the "White Christmas" comic story is that Mr. Freeze says he and Nora were married "10 years ago" on Christmas Eve.
(2000 - 10 = 1990)

In the "Heart of Ice" episode, the 'present day' events take place in August 1992 and the Nora incident happened "last year".
(1992 - 1 = 1991)

So Victor would have known Nora for a year and during that time she caught a terminal illness.

So my theory about issue 15 of the Batman Adventures 2000s comic run culminating in the cure from SubZero receding and thus her succumbing to the illness fits timeline wise.

I love happy 'accidents' like this. (Not so much the Nora storyline, it's sad as hell...)

 

[Megatron]

What's interesting about the "White Christmas" comic story is that Mr. Freeze says he and Nora were married "10 years ago" on Christmas Eve.
(2000 - 10 = 1990)

In the "Heart of Ice" episode, the 'present day' events take place in August 1992 and the Nora incident happened "last year".
(1992 - 1 = 1991)

So Victor would have known Nora for a year and during that time she caught a terminal illness.

So my theory about issue 15 of the Batman Adventures 2000s comic run culminating in the cure from SubZero receding and thus her succumbing to the illness fits timeline wise.

I love happy 'accidents' like this. (Not so much the Nora storyline, it's sad as hell...)

You're blessed with luck ahahaha.

 

[selfishmisery]

You're blessed with luck ahahaha.

I also like the dramatic irony of Nora surviving for several years after SubZero, but searching for Victor in the arctic tundra under the assumption that he 'died' ultimately is what cost her life. Almost an inverse of what Freeze tried to save Nora. Inadvertently, he was responsible for her death in the end - but only because they loved each other too much to accept fate.

I feel like that adds more nuance to this tragic storyline.

 

[PKMonsa]

Hey, have you guys seen this timeline?

https://animesuperhero.com/forums/t...ine-for-entire-dcau-including-comics.5254541/

 

[Megatron]

Okay here's the first 5(/2) episodes:

The Dark Knight's First Night

• Number of Flashback: 0
• Date: ??/??/1983 or ??/??/1991
• The Guy's explanation: "Despite the title, Batman's yellow-ovaled costume and Gordon's white-haired design indicate this doesn't take place on Batman's first night on patrol but one much closer to the series itself. Since the first episode is in June 1991 and this was made in about 1991, that's a safe bet. Month and date are arbitrarily mixed and match from the cover date and shipping date of Detective Comics #27 in which Batman first appeared.
  It should be noted that this is different enough from the actual show's opening that the iconic exploding bank heist seen there can still have happened in May to June 1991 as well, earlier, or later. We do see the yellow oval though, so that also cannot be Batman's first night either".
• My Opinion: I think we can ignore the costume and just go with 1983, of course depends if we count the Lost Years as canon since something like this happens in that comic, depending on this we could choose to ignore or not Batman's costume. Anyway I think it's intended to be 1983.

Batman: The Animated Series 1x01: "On Leather Wings"

• Number of Flashback: 0
• Date: 06/13/91-06/16/91
• The Guy's Explanation: "The episode begins on June 13th per the Bat-Computer dates we see in the episode. The next episode in production order is "Christmas With The Joker" which has to take place in 1991, ergo so does this. Fun Fact: June 15th-16th was a weekend in 1992. No wonder Dr. March is annoyed with Bruce Wayne".
• My Opinion: I honestly agree with him, seems pretty right since is an on-screen date.

Batman: The Animated Series 1x02: "Christmas With the Joker"

• Number of Flashback: 0
• Date: 12/23/1991-12/25/1991
• The Guy's Explanation: "The episode takes place on Christmas Eve and a later episode, "Beware The Grey Ghost" has an epilogue in October 1992. Ergo, 1991 is the latest this can take place. The later episodes "Joker's Favor" and "Beware The Creeper" suggest that Jack Napier became the Joker in mid 1991 and is a famous villain by September at the earliest. This makes this probably the third time Batman has encountered the Joker. Enjoy Robin here because he won't appear again for over another 20 episodes, probably due to his being a freshman in college here".
• My Opinion: I agree with him aside for one thing. Even if Joker is super crazy and super smart, I find literally impossible that he was able to escape Arkham Asylum,making a plan, actually do that plan and having Batman know that you escaped, all of this in one evening. That's why I made an extra date only with Joker's escape.

Batman: The Animated Series 1x03: "Nothing to Fear"

• Number of Flashback: 3
• Date: ??/??/1955, ??/??/1981, ??/??/1990, 09/??/1991
• The Guy's Explanation: "The episode before it in production order has Batman fighting The Joker on Christmas Eve and the next one has Batman fighting The Joker on April Fool's, so this episode could take place in between. Since all we know is school is probably in session, it could fit there.
  However, we will see that the episode "The Forgotten" has been determined to take place in January which changes things. Since Bruce seems more confident in his subconscious relationship with his parents in that episode than he is here, I feel this episode should take place prior to that one.
  
  I'm going to put this one year exactly before its airdate. Plus, this means all of Clive Revill's three appearances voicing Alfred remain sequentially linked so Alfred's voice isn't constantly changing for a couple months. Maybe he just had a cold in late 1991?"
• My Opinion: Okay, I agree with his placement, but the problem is where the episode fits in both the present day and the flashbacks. Let's start with the present day events, it has to take place in 1991 and the episode states it is school time, so it can be slotted before 1x01 or between 1x01 and 1x02. I prefer the latter since 1x01 is a perfect series premiere and works better for closing the DCAU with the epilogue episode from Justice League Unlimited. Now the flashback, we have 3, so let's start with flashback N. 3, It shows Crane being fired from his teacher position, so it's most likely that he will start plotting his revenge soon after, I placed this 1 year before the episode to give Crane enough time to prepare since is his big entrance. Flashback N. 2 depicts Crane, while he is testing on some students, flashback N. 3 imply that he do this for some time, so I decided to place this flashback, 10 years before he is fired. Flashback N. 1 is based on age, so for having some actual ages I used his comic age, which is 50s years old, 50 for simplicity sake, so 1991-50= 1941. Now that we know this we have to found out Crane's age during the flashback, since he is real tall, I proposed a 14 years old, so 1941+14=1955. So that's it, heading to the next episode. P.S. The Batman and TMNT Crossover comic seems to have the reason for why Crane changes happearence between BTAS and TNBA.

Batman: The Animated Series 1x04: "The Last Laugh"

• Number of Flashback: 0
• Date: 04/01/92
• The Guy's Explanation: This episode takes place on April Fools' Day. The show started in 1992. *gestures hands wildly in explanatory matter*
• My Opinion: I agree with him, the date appear in a newspaper at the very start of the episode.

Batman: The Animated Series 1x05: "Pretty Poison"

• Number of Flashback:
• Date:
• The Guy's Explanation:
• My Opinion:

Timeline for the moment:

1955
????
Batman: The Animated Series 1x03: "Nothing to Fear" (0:08:13-0:08:17)

1980
????
Batman: The Animated Series 1x03: "Nothing to Fear" (0:08:18-0:08:31)

1983
????
The Dark Knight's First Night

1990
????
Batman: The Animated Series 1x03: "Nothing to Fear" (0:08:32-0:08:36)

1991
13th June
Batman: The Animated Series 1x01: "On Leather Wings" (0:00:00-0:02:26)

14th June
Batman: The Animated Series 1x01: "On Leather Wings" (0:02:27-0:09:30)

15th June
Batman: The Animated Series 1x01: "On Leather Wings" (0:09:31-0:11:47)

16th June
Batman: The Animated Series 1x01: "On Leather Wings" (0:11:48-0:19:54)

September
Batman: The Animated Series 1x03: "Nothing to Fear" (0:00:00-0:08:12)
Batman: The Animated Series 1x03: "Nothing to Fear" (0:08:37-0:19:55)

23th December
Batman: The Animated Series 1x02: "Christmas With the Joker" (0:00:00-0:00:56)

24th December
Batman: The Animated Series 1x02: "Christmas With the Joker" (0:00:57-0:19:29)

25th December
Batman: The Animated Series 1x02: "Christmas With the Joker" (0:19:30-0:19:50)

1992
1st April
Batman: The Animated Series 1x04: "The Last Laugh"

 

[Megatron]

Hey, have you guys seen this timeline?

https://animesuperhero.com/forums/t...ine-for-entire-dcau-including-comics.5254541/

yup but it is terribly outdated.

 

[selfishmisery]

Okay here's the first 5(/2) episodes:

The Dark Knight's First Night

• Number of Flashback: 0
• Date: ??/??/1983 or ??/??/1991
• The Guy's explanation: "Despite the title, Batman's yellow-ovaled costume and Gordon's white-haired design indicate this doesn't take place on Batman's first night on patrol but one much closer to the series itself. Since the first episode is in June 1991 and this was made in about 1991, that's a safe bet. Month and date are arbitrarily mixed and match from the cover date and shipping date of Detective Comics #27 in which Batman first appeared.
  It should be noted that this is different enough from the actual show's opening that the iconic exploding bank heist seen there can still have happened in May to June 1991 as well, earlier, or later. We do see the yellow oval though, so that also cannot be Batman's first night either".
• My Opinion: I think we can ignore the costume and just go with 1983, of course depends if we count the Lost Years as canon since something like this happens in that comic, depending on this we could choose to ignore or not Batman's costume. Anyway I think it's intended to be 1983.

Batman: The Animated Series 1x01: "On Leather Wings"

• Number of Flashback: 0
• Date: 06/13/91-06/16/91
• The Guy's Explanation: "The episode begins on June 13th per the Bat-Computer dates we see in the episode. The next episode in production order is "Christmas With The Joker" which has to take place in 1991, ergo so does this. Fun Fact: June 15th-16th was a weekend in 1992. No wonder Dr. March is annoyed with Bruce Wayne".
• My Opinion: I honestly agree with him, seems pretty right since is an on-screen date.

Batman: The Animated Series 1x02: "Christmas With the Joker"

• Number of Flashback: 0
• Date: 12/23/1991-12/25/1991
• The Guy's Explanation: "The episode takes place on Christmas Eve and a later episode, "Beware The Grey Ghost" has an epilogue in October 1992. Ergo, 1991 is the latest this can take place. The later episodes "Joker's Favor" and "Beware The Creeper" suggest that Jack Napier became the Joker in mid 1991 and is a famous villain by September at the earliest. This makes this probably the third time Batman has encountered the Joker. Enjoy Robin here because he won't appear again for over another 20 episodes, probably due to his being a freshman in college here".
• My Opinion: I agree with him aside for one thing. Even if Joker is super crazy and super smart, I find literally impossible that he was able to escape Arkham Asylum,making a plan, actually do that plan and having Batman know that you escaped, all of this in one evening. That's why I made an extra date only with Joker's escape.

Batman: The Animated Series 1x03: "Nothing to Fear"
Now I have to go, I will do the last 3 episodes of today this evening.
Timeline for the moment:

1983
????
The Dark Knight's First Night

1991
13th June
Batman: The Animated Series 1x01: "On Leather Wings" (0:00:00-0:02:26)

14th June
Batman: The Animated Series 1x01: "On Leather Wings" (0:02:27-0:09:30)

15th June
Batman: The Animated Series 1x01: "On Leather Wings" (0:09:31-0:11:47)

16th June
Batman: The Animated Series 1x01: "On Leather Wings" (0:11:48-0:19:54)

23th December
Batman: The Animated Series 1x02: "Christmas With the Joker" (0:00:00-0:00:56)

24th December
Batman: The Animated Series 1x02: "Christmas With the Joker" (0:00:57-0:19:29)

25th December
Batman: The Animated Series 1x02: "Christmas With the Joker" (0:19:30-0:19:50)

Thanks bruv

 

[selfishmisery]

What's weird is "The Lost Years" is not available to read on DC Universe Infinite.

Thank God I still own a physical copy lol. That goes for big moolah last I checked.