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If I had to guess I'd wager the containment suits are something like the costumes from the comics, that allow them to contain and focus their powers (since presumably they'll obtain the powers in the film and not be experienced in doing so by themselves).

My advice is to stop jumping to conclusions and resorting to the old "sky is falling" knee jerk reaction at every bit of news released about the film. It very well may suck, not saying otherwise. Only suggesting people wait for at least a trailer (or preferably actually seeing the film) before resorting to the negativity. While I agree that a lot of what I've heard about it doesn't seem like a good idea, I also realize individual parts don't make the whole. Relax, wait until we see a trailer at the very least.
 
DIrishB said:
If I had to guess I'd wager the containment suits are something like the costumes from the comics, that allow them to contain and focus their powers (since presumably they'll obtain the powers in the film and not be experienced in doing so by themselves).
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My first thought when I read that was suits made of unstable molecules, which was explored pretty brilliantly by Mark Waid on his FF run.
 
I just can't believe how far from the source material they are going from. I'm not a huge FF fan but c'mon. They need to embrace the source material and maybe Fox well finally have a decent FF movie.
 
io9 has a pretty good summary:

Toby Kebbell recently revealed what the new backstory is for Doctor Doom in the Fantastic Four reboot. And it's so bad, guys. It's really, really bad. Spoilers beyond this point.

Speaking with Collider, Kebbell revealed:

He's Victor Domashev, not Victor Von Doom in our story. And I'm sure I'll be sent to jail for telling you that. The Doom in ours—I'm a programmer. Very anti-social programmer. And on blogging sites I'm "Doom".

Ugh. So much ugh. One of the best things about Doctor Doom is that he's literally Victor von Doom. It's fictional nominative determinism at its absolute best.

But it's not good enough for the new, gritty and realistic reboot:

Yeah, it was cool man. Josh [Trank], the whole deal, the lo-fi way he did it, the ultra-real. It was just nice to do that. It was nice to be feeling like we had to come to terms with what was given by this incident.

"The whole deal" is that we have an evil programmer — no bets that he's a hacker, I think it's clear that's a given — who blogs? Or is a commenter on blogs? And has chosen Doom as his Internet handle. And we're going to lose him as the ruler of Latveria, too, I'm guessing.

This is the worst.
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I'd love to see the focus groups or market research that suggested this would be a good idea.
 
I tried to defend this movie early on... but now that Doom is an angry, blogging, hacker, I'm done trying to defend it. Apparently Fox still haven't rid themselves of the habit to completely ruin franchises with bone headed decisions made in the script or in rewrites.
 
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This is more in line with "A film inspired by Marvel's Fantastic Four" than an adaptation of the comic group than anything else. And a very terribly sounding one at that.
 
My buddy theorized that Disney hired Trank for Star Wars to sabotage this film. I told him Fox is just that dumb but what if...?
 
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wyokid said:
My buddy theorized that Disney hired Trank for Star Wars to sabotage this film. I told him Fox is just that dumb but what if...?
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I don't get the impression that they need to sabotage it...

So a friend of mine works in the film industry and while I usually take what he says with a grain of salt...on this one I dunno. He claims that Foxx doesn't want to release this. Given the complete lack of promotion and now this... I think I buy it. Who wants to bet that this gets dumped somewhere?
 
Friday said:
I don't get the impression that they need to sabotage it...

So a friend of mine works in the film industry and while I usually take what he says with a grain of salt...on this one I dunno. He claims that Foxx doesn't want to release this. Given the complete lack of promotion and now this... I think I buy it. Who wants to bet that this gets dumped somewhere?
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If they don't, when would the rights go back to Marvel?
 
DIrishB said:
I tried to defend this movie early on... but now that Doom is an angry, blogging, hacker, I'm done trying to defend it. Apparently Fox still haven't rid themselves of the habit to completely ruin franchises with bone headed decisions made in the script or in rewrites.
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io9 has a good article on this today. (**** language)

It… it doesn't look good. I can explain why Fox made this decision, although it's not going to make you feel any better.

Fox makes the first Fantastic Four movie; it does okay, but fans everywhere ***** about it not being comics accurate enough. So Fox makes the second FF movie, thinking they're appeasing comics fans by adding Silver Surfer and Galactus, although they turn Galactus into a cloud so mass audiences aren't turned off. The movie bombs, and they don't see the fact that it sucks, they only see that they tried to appease nerds and the movie failed. Obviously, that's the problem, they think.

Then Josh Trank comes around and makes a small, found-footage superhero movie called Chronicle; even though the budget is small, it's super-popular and makes a lot of money. Fox sees this and says: "This works. People like this. If we do Fantastic Four like this, people will like it."

Fox hires Trank to make a "grounded", "lo-fi" version of the Fantastic Four, never once considering if perhaps this take is actually suitable for the characters and the franchise. (Hint: It's not.) Obviously, Doctor Doom is the FF's main foe, but Doom is just too comic book-y for the more realistic movie Fox is supremely confident the public wants. Thus we get Doom, the angry blogger.

I'm sure some of you are thinking "But Fox makes the X-Men movies. The X-Movies are pretty comics accurate and they're good movies and they make a lot of money! Why don't they learn from that?"

The answer is because that's not how a Hollywood executive's brain works. Traditional movie executives can't associate things. While you or I can watch other superhero movies and extrapolate what the public enjoys based on a wide variety of data, execs can only assess one thing at a time, take one lesson from it, and never, ever build upon that knowledge because as soon as they "learn" something new, the old memory is lost forever. How the hell are they going to learn from Marvel Studios' successes when they can't even apply the **** they should have learned making the X-Men movies to their other superhero franchise? They're not, and they couldn't if they wanted to.
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Captain Canuck said:
If they don't, when would the rights go back to Marvel?
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If it's like most other film licensing contracts, the rights wouldn't revert back to Marvel for seven years after filming wrapped. So assuming the movie bombs and doesn't get a sequel, it would be probably around mid to late 2021 when the rights would revert back to Marvel, assuming Fox doesn't try to make a sequel or reboot it yet again before late 2021. If they do that gives them another 7 year window as long as production was completed on anything filmed. Hence this reboot. Fantastic Four 2 came out in 2007. To retain the FF rights, Fox had to get a new FF film into production fast, which they did with pre-production in late 2013 and early 2014, and filming that wrapped a couple months ago.

So yeah, late 2021 at the earliest, more likely 2023 or 2024 if Fox does a sequel (which depends entirely on how this movie fares), but recent indicators seem to be painting it as a stinker.

As long as production/plans for a new FF movie haven't started by that time, and filming started by a specific deadline established by the time lengths in the contract, Marvel will get the FF rights back sometime in the next 10 years.
 
DIrishB said:
If it's like most other film licensing contracts, the rights wouldn't revert back to Marvel for seven years after filming wrapped. So assuming the movie bombs and doesn't get a sequel, it would be probably around mid to late 2021 when the rights would revert back to Marvel, assuming Fox doesn't try to make a sequel or reboot it yet again before late 2021. If they do that gives them another 7 year window as long as production was completed on anything filmed. Hence this reboot. Fantastic Four 2 came out in 2007. To retain the FF rights, Fox had to get a new FF film into production fast, which they did with pre-production in late 2013 and early 2014, and filming that wrapped a couple months ago.

So yeah, late 2021 at the earliest, more likely 2023 or 2024 if Fox does a sequel (which depends entirely on how this movie fares), but recent indicators seem to be painting it as a stinker.

As long as production/plans for a new FF movie haven't started by that time, and filming started by a specific deadline established by the time lengths in the contract, Marvel will get the FF rights back sometime in the next 10 years.
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Even if the movie doesn't get released? They keep the rights just by virtue of having worked on the film?
 
DIrishB said:
If it's like most other film licensing contracts, the rights wouldn't revert back to Marvel for seven years after filming wrapped. So assuming the movie bombs and doesn't get a sequel, it would be probably around mid to late 2021 when the rights would revert back to Marvel, assuming Fox doesn't try to make a sequel or reboot it yet again before late 2021. If they do that gives them another 7 year window as long as production was completed on anything filmed. Hence this reboot. Fantastic Four 2 came out in 2007. To retain the FF rights, Fox had to get a new FF film into production fast, which they did with pre-production in late 2013 and early 2014, and filming that wrapped a couple months ago.

So yeah, late 2021 at the earliest, more likely 2023 or 2024 if Fox does a sequel (which depends entirely on how this movie fares), but recent indicators seem to be painting it as a stinker.

As long as production/plans for a new FF movie haven't started by that time, and filming started by a specific deadline established by the time lengths in the contract, Marvel will get the FF rights back sometime in the next 10 years.
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Captain Canuck said:
Even if the movie doesn't get released? They keep the rights just by virtue of having worked on the film?
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That seems like a weird rule. So can Fox hire a couple of film students to make a movie for 100$ every seven years just to keep the rights? Or is it stipulated in the contracts what "producing a movie based on the franchise" has to look like?
 
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Captain Canuck said:
Even if the movie doesn't get released? They keep the rights just by virtue of having worked on the film?
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That's what happened to the Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie. It was completed and never released; most believe it was only done to retain the rights.

A 1993 magazine article gave a tentative release date of Labor Day weekend 1993.[9] During that summer, trailers ran in theaters and on the video release of Corman's Carnosaur. Cast members promoted the film at a clips-screening at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles and at the San Diego Comic-Con International. By this time, the world premiere was announced to take place at the Mall of America in Minneapolis, Minnesota, on January 19, 1994, with proceeds from the event earmarked for the charities Ronald McDonald House and the Children's Miracle Network.[10]

Eichinger then informed Sassone that the film would not be released. Speculation arose that the film had never been intended for release, but had gone into production solely as a way for Eichinger to retain rights to the characters; Stan Lee said in 2005 that this was indeed the case, insisting, "The movie was never supposed to be shown to anybody," and adding that the cast and crew had been left unaware.[11] Corman and Eichinger dismissed Lee's claims, with the former stating in the same article, "We had a contract to release it, and I had to be bought out of that contract" by Eichinger.[10] Eichinger, also in that article, calls Lee's version of events "definitely not true. It was not our [original] intention to make a B movie, that's for sure, but when the movie was there, we wanted to release it."[10] He said future Marvel film impresario Avi Arad, at this point, in 1993, a Marvel executive,
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(Wikipedia)
 
Captain Canuck said:
Even if the movie doesn't get released? They keep the rights just by virtue of having worked on the film?
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Yup, as the 1994 FF film proved. Of course, all contracts have minor differences, but the seven year window after production wraps is pretty standard in the industry.


vintsukka said:
That seems like a weird rule. So can Fox hire a couple of film students to make a movie for 100$ every seven years just to keep the rights? Or is it stipulated in the contracts what "producing a movie based on the franchise" has to look like?
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No.

The film must be a serious effort at making a film aimed for theater release. I'm sure Marvel have learned a thing or two since the 1994 FF movie, and probably have budgetary minimum guidelines that must be met, etc.

Point is, Fox isn't going to hold onto the rights without spending $100 million plus to make a new film.
 
Maybe if it bombs FOX would be willing to give up the rights? Disney gave up the rights for John Carter after what, a year? I doubt it'll happen with FOX, but there's always that possibility.
 
Ice said:
Maybe if it bombs FOX would be willing to give up the rights? Disney gave up the rights for John Carter after what, a year? I doubt it'll happen with FOX, but there's always that possibility.
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For some reason I REALLY want to see the rights to this go back to Marvel. I don't really care if X-Men do. I mean, yeah it would be cool, but Fox is doing alright with that franchize. And yes, I'd like to see Spidey head over there too, but there have been enough Spider-Man movies that I don't know what they'd do with him at this point. FF... I just feel like they NEED to be at Marvel to get a fair shake and that it would be SO easy to weave them into the MCU.
 
Captain Canuck said:
For some reason I REALLY want to see the rights to this go back to Marvel. I don't really care if X-Men do. I mean, yeah it would be cool, but Fox is doing alright with that franchize. And yes, I'd like to see Spidey head over there too, but there have been enough Spider-Man movies that I don't know what they'd do with him at this point. FF... I just feel like they NEED to be at Marvel to get a fair shake and that it would be SO easy to weave them into the MCU.
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The X-Men can stay with Fox because in general they're fairly insular. X-stuff happens in X-books and bleeds very little into the main marvel universe. FF is the exact opposite, and should be at Marvel proper.
 
ProjectX2 said:
Fantastic Four for Phase 4.
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Unfortunately, even Phase 4 is unlikely. Assuming the first film bombs, and Fox don't start production on a sequel at all, even then, it would be mid to late 2022 at earliest before the rights revert back to Marvel. Now, it's possible that if that happens they fast track a new FF film into production, possibly aiming for a late 2023 or early/mid 2024 release.

But even if they do fast track it, I doubt it'll be out in time for Phase 4. Phase 4 will likely span however many films are released from late 2019/early 2020 through 2022/2023. By the time a theoretical FF films' rights are even back in Marvel's hands, Phase 4 will likely be almost done with, and there likely won't be anywhere near enough time to write a script (though it wouldn't surprise me at all if Feige and Marvel Studios have a few spec scripts/ideas for a FF reboot set in the MCU locked away in a file cabinet waiting for them to get the rights back), preproduction, casting, filming, editing, visual effects, marketing, etc. Not in less than a year.

Then again, stranger things have happened, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Still, I commend you on the tongue in cheek nod. Kudos, sir!! Seriously, we should turn that into a nerd-inspired hashtag campaign for Fox to sell Marvel the FF film rights back.
 

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