Fantastic Four Reboot

I just want to see a serious attempt at a good movie and not something cheesy. Take the characters seriously - that doesn't mean it can't be fun or funny, but don't do what you did with Dr. Doom in the last one. Take some cues from the UFF comic, but don't try to remake that.

And just get the family dynamic down. It's crucial.
 
1. Family dynamic done right
2. Really out there weird sci fi stuff
3. Save Dr Doom for a sequel, and then make him a really credible threat.
 
DIrishB said:
But if Fox is going to do it, I wouldn't mind some goat legs.
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*applause*

Captain Canuck said:
1. Family dynamic done right
2. Really out there weird sci fi stuff
3. Save Dr Doom for a sequel, and then make him a really credible threat.
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Agree with all 3 of these. If they must do that is. I'd like to see more of the negative zone and Annihilus.
 
mike3717 said:
Personally I'd like to see it never get made and the rights to the FF revert back to Marvel.
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Nah. Marvel already has enough characters in their library, and having FF in a different universe allows them to distinguish themselves in their own right.
 
Zombipanda said:
Nah. Marvel already has enough characters in their library, and having FF in a different universe allows them to distinguish themselves in their own right.
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True, but again, I think a movie by Marvel Studios would do the characters more justice and capture the right tone as opposed to Fox.

Plus, FF is a franchise that makes sense to have a certain level of humor in (exchanges between Torch and Thing, light hearted relationship stuff between Reed and Sue, etc), and that's something Marvel has done far and away better than Fox.

Ultimately I really do think Marvel would make a better FF film than Fox. Besides, there's a certain appeal in seeing the continued expansion and world building of the Marvel film verse versus the Fox proposed comic film verse, least for me.
 
DIrishB said:
True, but again, I think a movie by Marvel Studios would do the characters more justice and capture the right tone as opposed to Fox.

Plus, FF is a franchise that makes sense to have a certain level of humor in (exchanges between Torch and Thing, light hearted relationship stuff between Reed and Sue, etc), and that's something Marvel has done far and away better than Fox.
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Not to mention that Fox already had their chance, and they screwed it up. While the Fantastic Four probably aren't as universally well-loved as Spider-man or the Hulk, they still deserve to have their source material respected, and not just be a way for the studio to make money. Which is exactly what this movie is; a cash-grab.
 
Spoon_Wielder said:
Not to mention that Fox already had their chance, and they screwed it up. While the Fantastic Four probably aren't as universally well-loved as Spider-man or the Hulk, they still deserve to have their source material respected, and not just be a way for the studio to make money. Which is exactly what this movie is; a cash-grab.
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Well, technically all movies are a cash grab.

And who knows? This one could be quite good. Trank did a great job with Chronicle, but it remains to be seen how well he'll do with a big budget super hero adventure movie.
 
DIrishB said:
Well, technically all movies are a cash grab.
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But you guys know what I mean. Yes, all movies are made with the intent of selling tickets, and making the studio money. But the difference with Marvel Studios and Warner Bros., I feel like they actually care about the people they're selling this movie to, and the product they're putting out. But the impression I'm getting from Fox with this movie, is that they didn't decide to greenlight this movie because it was the next best creative move on their part. It was because the rights are going to revert back soon so they have to make a movie quick so they don't miss out on all that Marvel cash. It just seems like they don't see the Fantastic Four's worth other than their connection with the Marvel brand, so they want to change everything to make it appear 'cooler'. With their wanting to make the cast younger, and casting the flavour-of-the-week, 'who's hot right now' actors. Even their wanting to connect this movie to their X-men movies to copy the now popular cinematic universe idea.

Now, we don't know a lot about this movie, and even all the casting to my knowledge hasn't been locked in and is still just rumor. I just feel that Fox is using this as a last-ditch effort to cash in on the Fantastic Four. And they don't care if it's good, they just want to make money off of the Marvel brand. 'Cause that's what's hot right now.

So that's what I meant by saying it was just a 'cash-grab' for them.
 
Spoon_Wielder said:
the difference with Marvel Studios and Warner Bros., I feel like they actually care about the people they're selling this movie to, and the product they're putting out. But the impression I'm getting from Fox with this movie, is that they didn't decide to greenlight this movie because it was the next best creative move on their part. It was because the rights are going to revert back soon so they have to make a movie quick so they don't miss out on all that Marvel cash.
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But how did they get the rights in the first place? Because Marvel wanted to make money by letting someone else make their movies. Anyone. And Sony, Fox, Paramount, etc bought the rights because "hey why not, these will probably make us some money." But NO ONE predicted back in the early 2000s that the super hero genre was going to last so long and make so much money. So they didn't really take the properties as seriously back then. And as a result, not a lot of the movies have been good. But it worked out well for Marvel, b/c they made money off the crappy (as well as decent/good) movies that got made and eventually started their own production company (and then sold to Disney for even more money).

I don't know man, I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's fair to accuse Fox of only caring about the money because they want to make movies based on the potentially lucrative franchises for which they paid to get the rights.

Would I like to see the rights revert back to Marvel? Sure. Do I think they would do a better job than Fox? Probably. But not because Marvel has more creative integrity than Fox does. They're all in it for the money. Marvel is just more focused. Superhero movies are their only gig.
 
Michael B. Jordan Addresses 'Fantastic Four' Rumors



"I can't even — you know how it is in the industry! I can't talk [about it] — it's still up in the air. I just can't. It's one of things where, certain people start talking too soon and then what if it doesn't happen for whatever reason? Then I'm the guy who was out there talking about something that coulda, shoulda, woulda, but didn't."
 
Captain Canuck said:
But how did they get the rights in the first place? Because Marvel wanted to make money by letting someone else make their movies. Anyone. And Sony, Fox, Paramount, etc bought the rights because "hey why not, these will probably make us some money." But NO ONE predicted back in the early 2000s that the super hero genre was going to last so long and make so much money. So they didn't really take the properties as seriously back then. And as a result, not a lot of the movies have been good. But it worked out well for Marvel, b/c they made money off the crappy (as well as decent/good) movies that got made and eventually started their own production company (and then sold to Disney for even more money).

I don't know man, I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's fair to accuse Fox of only caring about the money because they want to make movies based on the potentially lucrative franchises for which they paid to get the rights.

Would I like to see the rights revert back to Marvel? Sure. Do I think they would do a better job than Fox? Probably. But not because Marvel has more creative integrity than Fox does. They're all in it for the money. Marvel is just more focused. Superhero movies are their only gig.
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Good points. But I also want to add that superhero movies now are better because they have years of experience to build on. I don't think anyone in the early days of the superhero boom was trying to make a bad movie. It's just that it took experience to figure out what works and what doesn't. It's only because of the attempts by Sony and Fox to make movies with Marvel properties that Marvel Studios had the experience to draw on to make their pictures work.

Diverse and competitive markets spark creativity. I'm glad some of the properties are farmed out, and I'd rather the Fantastic Four not get folded into the MCU. I think they're unique in a way that would be marginalized by being in the same family as the Avengers and everything else.
 
Zombipanda said:
Good points. But I also want to add that superhero movies now are better because they have years of experience to build on. I don't think anyone in the early days of the superhero boom was trying to make a bad movie. It's just that it took experience to figure out what works and what doesn't. It's only because of the attempts by Sony and Fox to make movies with Marvel properties that Marvel Studios had the experience to draw on to make their pictures work.

Diverse and competitive markets spark creativity. I'm glad some of the properties are farmed out, and I'd rather the Fantastic Four not get folded into the MCU. I think they're unique in a way that would be marginalized by being in the same family as the Avengers and everything else.
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It's true, I don't think anyone was trying to make a bad movie, but I also don't think they tried as hard as they do now, because they didn't know just how lucrative the movies could be.

The exception is Chris Nolan, who took the genre to a whole new level of seriousness with Batman Begins. I'm not talking about darkness or grittiness, I'm talking about taking it seriously. I remember when it came out my sister, who doesn't really care a whole lot about super heroes, said that Batman Begins was her favourite super hero movie so far just because it was less silly. Admittedly, they had to take Batman more seriously after Batman and Robin.

So yeah, I definitely agree with you. The more recent movies stand on the foundation that was laid in the early years of this new wave of super hero movies. And they're better movies over all because the early movies taught them what to do and not do. That's true. But if you had told a movie producer back then that these movies would demolish box office records and create multi-billion dollar franchises, they probably wouldn't have believed you. So they made fun movies and some were pretty good and some weren't. But then they realized the potential and really stepped up the game - Marvel by taking a risk on the shared universe idea, and DC by making The Dark Knight. These movies have never been the same since.

Except for Ghost Rider 2. That was a regression.
 
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Zombipanda said:
Good points. But I also want to add that superhero movies now are better because they have years of experience to build on. I don't think anyone in the early days of the superhero boom was trying to make a bad movie. It's just that it took experience to figure out what works and what doesn't. It's only because of the attempts by Sony and Fox to make movies with Marvel properties that Marvel Studios had the experience to draw on to make their pictures work. Diverse and competitive markets spark creativity. I'm glad some of the properties are farmed out, and I'd rather the Fantastic Four not get folded into the MCU. I think they're unique in a way that would be marginalized by being in the same family as the Avengers and everything else.
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I disagree in that regard. Really one of the few factors they have in common is that they're a team franchise by the same company.

The Avengers have always had a large element of fallibility and relatability whereas the FF have a noticeably more "God-like" tone and familial tone, at least in regards to abilities. Reed's intelligence, Sue's abilities, Ben's Hulk-like strength (and while it's fair to compare him to Hulk, let's keep in mind Hulk is at the top end of the power scale in terms of the Avengers, least in regards to strength), and Johnny's super-nova scale fire abilities.

Granted, that's power versus story/theme, but I think the family dynamic and Justice League-like element of righteousness (the FF are pretty much undeniable Boy and Girl Scouts) noticeably and importantly differentiate the FF from the Avengers, let alone the higher-sci-fi/fantasy aspect FF has in comparison. Granted both fall into that category, but FF's subject matter more often treads into the realm of dimensional and time travel stories, or other such plot threads.

Like I said, I definitely feel Marvel Studios could and would make a better FF film, both in terms of critical and fan reception, and most important for the studio, a much higher box office draw for Marvel Studios than Fox, just due to Avengers-itis. Feige and company have shown they understand the fundamental aspects and dynamics of their characters, and just as importantly the ability to convincingly translate and portray those characters/concepts onscreen overall better than any other studio and their respective comic franchise, with the exception of Nolan's Batman trilogy. And as great as those three films were, I find the MCU films to be far more re-watchable and better paced (my two biggest complaints about TDK and TDKR is they were each about 20-30 minutes too long and Nolan, for all his brilliance, still seems to struggle with interesting and dynamic fight choreography/shot staging).

But yeah, I do think Fox can, and likely will, make a decent FF movie. There's no doubt they'll have learned from the previous twos' mistakes, and use that to craft a superior product this time around. I just think MS as has a superior understanding of those characters and their interactions, both with their world and each other (which is arguably one of--if not the--most important aspect of the franchise) from the get go, and has a much better chance and talent pool. Marvel Studios' habit of insanely genius casting decisions alone is by itself enough reason for me to prefer MS over Fox (though I will admit I'm intrigued by Michael B. Jordan's supposed casting as Torch, and Teller as Reed seems like a good choice).

Also, Thing's casting is essential. He's in large part the heart of the team, and need's to be able to balance toughness, vulnerability, humor, and a Frankenstein's monster aspect of tragedy. I have no doubt they'll CGI/motion capture the actor who plays him, which will allow for better and more expressive emotional portrayal and overall a better and more realistic look versus the physical suit seen in the previous two (and lets not forget Corman's classicly bad early 90's "we're doing this merely to hold onto the rights a bit longer" version... which inherently isn't too different from what they're doing now, just with undeniably better results, I'm sure).

And any actress would be a huge improvement over the wooden, uninteresting, and one-dimensional Jessica Alba as Sue. Seriously, anyone. A drugged out Lindsay Lohan would probably be an improvement (acting wise, anyway).

Also, if they're going to turn it into a series of movies (and really, what superhero franchise isn't intended to be a series nowadays?), I'd love to see the first film set up the team and their world (though an origin story encompassing the entire film is unnecessary). I'd love to see Franklin and Valeria introduced in a sequel as children (which will be a challenge, granted).
 
Is Johnny still going to be Sue's brother?
 
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