Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)

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selfishmisery said:
Earth-688 actually. Which the Sony team didn't seem to realize exists already ( https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-688 ) but also don't know what "TRN" meant on the wiki...

So another flub.
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Unless this is all part of the plan and we know what happened to Spider-Man on the Sony Universe Earth now! Probably not tho, definitely a 0% chance of that, seems like they just went to the wiki got some Earth numbers quick and called it a day
 
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Look at that. Spider-Geddon is canon and referenced in the Spider-Man 2 prequel comic. There's more proof that it's the same multiverse as I've been saying this whole time.

I'll say it once again: If you believe Spider-Verse and the MCU are a separate multiverse, you're WRONG. :p

Watch Peter reference chasing an alternate version of Miles Morales in the video game too.
 
Oh wow a comic associated to a video game that has absolutely nothing to do with Marvel Studios referenced a comic event that has nothing to do with Marvel Studios!

Look I don't think you're wrong that it's all the same Multiverse but this comic hardly says anything new. We knew the Insomiac Spider-Man was part of the Spider-Geddom comic, that's old news. It has nothing to do with the MCU's contradictions to the Multiverse, its insistence on being Earth-616 not Earth-199999 or really anything MCU related. Again I do not think you're wrong and that it's not the same Multiverse but this, like AtSV using Earth-199999, means nothing to Marvel Studios.
 
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Watching the movie, it's quite clear that Across the Spider-Verse is directly linked to the MCU and it's not just a reference. Everything it says is 100% canon to the MCU's multiverse. It even showed Earth-616 (comics) as a hologram and "Earth-1610A" Tarantula (comics) appeared as well. It being Earth-199999 is 100% canon to the MCU because Across the Spider-Verse is 100% canon to the MCU. Earth-199999's Prowler had an appearance, there was literally a scene involving the SPUMC Earth, Andrew and Tobey are shown as part of the multiverse.

The point is that Spider-Geddon being referenced in a Spider-Man 2 prequel comic and Across the Spider-Verse featuring the same version, and both Spider-Geddon and Spider-Verse being canon to Earth-1048's history, shows they're the same multiverse.

Any disagreement with that is pure cope.
 
Pro Bot said:
Watching the movie, it's quite clear that Across the Spider-Verse is directly linked to the MCU and it's not just a reference. Everything it says is 100% canon to the MCU's multiverse. It even showed Earth-616 (comics) as a hologram and "Earth-1610A" Tarantula (comics) appeared as well. It being Earth-199999 is 100% canon to the MCU because Across the Spider-Verse is 100% canon to the MCU. Earth-199999's Prowler had an appearance, there was literally a scene involving the SPUMC Earth, Andrew and Tobey are shown as part of the multiverse.

The point is that Spider-Geddon being referenced in a Spider-Man 2 prequel comic and Across the Spider-Verse featuring the same version, and both Spider-Geddon and Spider-Verse being canon to Earth-1048's history, shows they're the same multiverse.

Any disagreement with that is pure cope.
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Like I said I don't disagree with you and I do think it's all the same Multiverse, I do however also think that all this evidence comes from materials not produced by Marvel Studios. There's no doubt that the Comics Multiverse connects to the MCU, my issue is how the MCU is going to reciprocate that connection back ever since Feige made the very specific decision of making the MCU Earth-616 and not Earth-199999 especially doubling down on that after the interview Iman Vellani had. Again I don't think you're wrong cause you're not, I just am not confident enough to say Feige feels the same way.
 
Starvel said:
Like I said I don't disagree with you and I do think it's all the same Multiverse, I do however also think that all this evidence comes from materials not produced by Marvel Studios. There's no doubt that the Comics Multiverse connects to the MCU, my issue is how the MCU is going to reciprocate that connection back ever since Feige made the very specific decision of making the MCU Earth-616 and not Earth-199999 especially doubling down on that after the interview Iman Vellani had. Again I don't think you're wrong cause you're not, I just am not confident enough to say Feige feels the same way.
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I pretty much agree with this. I don't thing Feige wants the comics (besides tie ins) connected to the MCU, and frankly, neither do I.

Also, there were still people out there that still thought Iron Man 1 and 2 are only 6 months apart? I think they'll use something like our timelines has for between IM 1 & 2- Six months after Vanko finished his Whiplash suit, which took at least a year or two.

https://insidethemagic.net/2023/06/marvel-quietly-retcons-mcus-iron-man-th1/
 
marioxb said:
I pretty much agree with this. I don't thing Feige wants the comics (besides tie ins) connected to the MCU, and frankly, neither do I.

Also, there were still people out there that still thought Iron Man 1 and 2 are only 6 months apart? I think they'll use something like our timelines has for between IM 1 & 2- Six months after Vanko finished his Whiplash suit, which took at least a year or two.

https://insidethemagic.net/2023/06/marvel-quietly-retcons-mcus-iron-man-th1/
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I kinda did myself until recently but I've stopped trying to make it work in my head and accepted that there's at least 2 years between them however I still prefer to place Fury's Big Week in 2011 but that's just me
 
marioxb said:
I pretty much agree with this. I don't thing Feige wants the comics (besides tie ins) connected to the MCU, and frankly, neither do I.

Also, there were still people out there that still thought Iron Man 1 and 2 are only 6 months apart? I think they'll use something like our timelines has for between IM 1 & 2- Six months after Vanko finished his Whiplash suit, which took at least a year or two.

https://insidethemagic.net/2023/06/marvel-quietly-retcons-mcus-iron-man-th1/
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I think that's the thing. Sony wants to treat it all like it's the same multiverse, while Marvel Studios doesn't. I used to go with 6 months between Iron Man and Iron Man 2 since it's clear that was the movie's original intent. Beyond the title card, Hammer mentions that Tony had created a weapon "in the last 6 months" and Tony slept with Christine "last year". However, the movie does show magazine covers and newspaper articles during Ivan's opening montage which makes it look like some time has passed. I'm warming up to what the timeline book says. Iron Man ends in May 2008, Ivan finishes in November 2009, and Iron Man 2 picks up in May 2010, essentially matching real-time. Iron Man's always been a pick-your-poison since there's evidence for 2008, 2009, or 2010 and the movie has been retconned a number of times.
 
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Do we have a list of all the universes Across the Spider-Verse connects with?

I have:
  • MCU
  • Andrew Garfield's universe
  • The Venom universe
  • Tobey Maguire's universe
  • The comics 616 universe
  • The Spectacular Spider-Man universe
  • The Spider-Man Unlimited universe
  • The Insomniac universe
  • The 60's Spidey TV show universe
  • All the universes introduced in the Spider-Verse titles

Are there any that I have missed? I'm pretty sure the Amazing Spider-Man 2 video game universe had a reference.
 
RocketRacoon said:
Do we have a list of all the universes Across the Spider-Verse connects with?

I have


  • MCU
  • Andrew Garfield's universe
  • The Venom universe
  • Tobey Maguire's universe
  • The comics 616 universe
  • The Spectacular Spider-Man universe
  • The Spider-Man Unlimited universe
  • The Insomniac universe
  • The 60's Spidey TV show universe
  • All the universes introduced in the Spider-Verse titles
Are there any that I have missed? I'm pretty sure the Amazing Spider-Man 2 video game universe had a reference.
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Technically the Lego Universe has appeared in other media as well.

I hear the Spider-Man from the 2000 game was in there but I didn't see them so I can't confirm myself.

Videoman from the old Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends show was the villain in the cell beside Insomiac Spider-Man so that connects that series as well

Aside from that I think you got them all
 
RocketRacoon said:
  • MCU
  • Andrew Garfield's universe
  • The Venom universe
  • Tobey Maguire's universe
  • The comics 616 universe
  • The Spectacular Spider-Man universe
  • The Spider-Man Unlimited universe
  • The Insomniac universe
  • The 60's Spidey TV show universe
  • All the universes introduced in the Spider-Verse titles
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  • Atari Green Goblin was the one in the cell besides PS4 Spider-Man and Videoman, so Spider-Man for Atari
 
marioxb said:
I pretty much agree with this. I don't thing Feige wants the comics (besides tie ins) connected to the MCU, and frankly, neither do I.

Also, there were still people out there that still thought Iron Man 1 and 2 are only 6 months apart? I think they'll use something like our timelines has for between IM 1 & 2- Six months after Vanko finished his Whiplash suit, which took at least a year or two.

https://insidethemagic.net/2023/06/marvel-quietly-retcons-mcus-iron-man-th1/
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Guys Marvel Comics>Marvel Studios. Kevin Feige can Say wathever he want, but if Marvel Comics says otherwise, then they are the correct One. They have a higher canonicity level. Replyed to wrong commenti, Sorry.
 
Starvel said:
Like I said I don't disagree with you and I do think it's all the same Multiverse, I do however also think that all this evidence comes from materials not produced by Marvel Studios. There's no doubt that the Comics Multiverse connects to the MCU, my issue is how the MCU is going to reciprocate that connection back ever since Feige made the very specific decision of making the MCU Earth-616 and not Earth-199999 especially doubling down on that after the interview Iman Vellani had. Again I don't think you're wrong cause you're not, I just am not confident enough to say Feige feels the same way.
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This is the One.
 
Megatron said:
This is the One.
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The issue is Marvel Studios isn't connected technically to Marvel Comics, they don't have any pull on what they do in the films. Marvel Comics is a division of the larger Marvel Entertainment like Marvel Games is now, whereas Marvel Studios is a direct subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company separate from the Comic publishing company and Marvel Entertainment as of like 2015 I think. They're more like sister companies and this makes connections going forward a little more difficult.

Now again you're 100% the MCU is part of the comics Multiverse because the comics say so, that's just a fact there's connections between the two. The issue is how none of the connections come right from Marvel Studios projects, it's all through something else like how Pro Bot pointed out the Insomiac Comic Spider-Man mentioned Spider-Geddon and he was in AtSV which mentioned the MCU therefore they are connected, they're not wrong. But from the MCU's end they're specifically making distinctions between them. Now again I want to make it clear I'm not saying the MCU isn't part of the Marvel Comics Multiverse, I'm saying in the future if Marvel Studios continues this way they'll likely cause more contradictions than connections and that can make things difficult.

Right now there's nothing that can't be spun to easily say they're still part of the same Multiverse. However when two different companies are making products set in the same multiverse and one actively seems to want to retcon themselves out of that multiverse eventually it could happen. And the thing some people don't get is Marvel Studios is not under Marvel Entertainment or Marvel Comics and if they choose to separate themselves from the Comic Multiverse officially they absolutely can. I'm not saying they have or they will, just that they've made some suspicious choices and the connections to the Comics Multiverse are very one sided.

TL;DR Yeah they're connected but saying Marvel Comics/Entertainment > Marvel Studios is incorrect and if Marvel Studios says otherwise Marvel Comics couldn't say they're wrong cause the MCU isn't their product.
 
Starvel said:
The issue is Marvel Studios isn't connected technically to Marvel Comics, they don't have any pull on what they do in the films. Marvel Comics is a division of the larger Marvel Entertainment like Marvel Games is now, whereas Marvel Studios is a direct subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company separate from the Comic publishing company and Marvel Entertainment as of like 2015 I think. They're more like sister companies and this makes connections going forward a little more difficult.

Now again you're 100% the MCU is part of the comics Multiverse because the comics say so, that's just a fact there's connections between the two. The issue is how none of the connections come right from Marvel Studios projects, it's all through something else like how Pro Bot pointed out the Insomiac Comic Spider-Man mentioned Spider-Geddon and he was in AtSV which mentioned the MCU therefore they are connected, they're not wrong. But from the MCU's end they're specifically making distinctions between them. Now again I want to make it clear I'm not saying the MCU isn't part of the Marvel Comics Multiverse, I'm saying in the future if Marvel Studios continues this way they'll likely cause more contradictions than connections and that can make things difficult.

Right now there's nothing that can't be spun to easily say they're still part of the same Multiverse. However when two different companies are making products set in the same multiverse and one actively seems to want to retcon themselves out of that multiverse eventually it could happen. And the thing some people don't get is Marvel Studios is not under Marvel Entertainment or Marvel Comics and if they choose to separate themselves from the Comic Multiverse officially they absolutely can. I'm not saying they have or they will, just that they've made some suspicious choices and the connections to the Comics Multiverse are very one sided.

TL;DR Yeah they're connected but saying Marvel Comics/Entertainment > Marvel Studios is incorrect and if Marvel Studios says otherwise Marvel Comics couldn't say they're wrong cause the MCU isn't their product.
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If Marvel Comics/entertainment goes bankrupt, Marvel Studios Will follow shortly.
 
I'm choosing to picture it like so.

The Marvel multiverses are divided like bubbles. In the MCU bubble, there is the MCU earth, but also Venom's earth, and others we've seen in the MCU. In another bubble, for example, there may be the Capcom X-Men games, and the Spider-Man Atari game. In another, the comics, and all their multiverse connections. I also think this means that while the comics may acknowledge the MCU as a universe, they may only be referring to the version of the MCU that exists within their bubble. However, events such as Across the Spider-Verse exist in an all-encompassing bubble. So Spot can go into Venom, but he can also go into the comics and he can go into the Atari and so on, without having to actually be a part of these multiverses. If there's any inconsistencies… I don't remember much from ATSV, I need to see it again.
 
Starvel said:
No they won't, again they are two completely separate subsidiaries of The Walt Disney Company as of 2015.
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You're right, but it's also changed since then. Marvel Studios was a division of Marvel Entertainment, and was moved out from under them in 2015 to be a separate subsidiary. But in 2019, Marvel Entertainment was brought under Marvel Studios, so Dan Buckley (president of Marvel Entertainment) reports to Kevin Feige now. Marvel Comics is just another division of Marvel Entertainment.
 
Basilisk said:
You're right, but it's also changed since then. Marvel Studios was a division of Marvel Entertainment, and was moved out from under them in 2015 to be a separate subsidiary. But in 2019, Marvel Entertainment was brought under Marvel Studios, so Dan Buckley (president of Marvel Entertainment) reports to Kevin Feige now. Marvel Comics is just another division of Marvel Entertainment.
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Yes you're right that's on me. If I understand it tho after a quick read that's when Marvel Television and Marvel Animation were moved under Marvel Studios but Marvel Entertainment remains separate just under Feige as CCO

Edit: So it's Marvel Studios with Marvel Television and Animation as subsidiaries with Feige as President and then Marvel Entertainment with Comics and Games as subsidiaries and Feige as CCO. If they were the same he'd just be president if them all. Either way there isn't a "higher canon level" than Feige now
 
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GMA had a clip from Secret Invasion where Hill says that Fury was gone a "few years". I still think there's a chance Marvel considers it to be 2026. While not 100% confirmation, I feel like she would have said a "couple of years" if it was 2025. (October 2023- Nick returns from the Blip, November 2025- Secret Invasion). Also, it's been a year in real-time since Ms. Marvel aired, who's to say it hasn't also been a year in-universe and that The Marvels also takes place a year later. I'm not going to be surprised if Disney + were to place the series after Quantumania.
 
Does anyone have Captain Marvel: Starforce Mission Log as a digital file and willing to share it?
I've read it contains references to Starforce on the rise, so it might be interesting to put on the timeline.
 
selfishmisery said:
Also, I dunno how many of you watch Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur, but there are direct ties to the MCU in it.
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Such as? I know there's a couple actors that reprise roles like Smulders and Fishburne as Maria Hill and Bill Foster. But is there anything specific that directly ties?
 
Starvel said:
Such as? I know there's a couple actors that reprise roles like Smulders and Fishburne as Maria Hill and Bill Foster. But is there anything specific that directly ties?
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1.) As a potential branch of the MCU I guess.
2.) In terms of references, Sam Wilson's Captain America (MCU version) appears towards the end of season one.
3.) Most importantly, I was mainly baiting Pro Bot (no hard feelings btw bro lol) and to get this thread updated again.
 
I'm well-aware of the references. It is not part of Earth-199999 however. I follow official word, and official word is that this show isn't connected.
 

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