http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html
I can't stand the stuff, but I do eat a lot of cheese. Time to cut back...
I can't stand the stuff, but I do eat a lot of cheese. Time to cut back...
Let's look at the scientific literature first. From 1988 to1993 there were over 2,700 articles dealing with milk recorded in the 'Medicine' archives. Fifteen hundred of theses had milk as the main focus of the article. There is no lack of scientific information on this subject. I reviewed over 500 of the 1,500 articles, discarding articles that dealt exclusively with animals, esoteric research and inconclusive studies.
More ominous is the fear of viral infection with bovine leukemia virus or an AIDS-like virus as well as concern for childhood diabetes. Contamination of milk by blood and white (pus) cells as well as a variety of chemicals and insecticides was also discussed. Among children the problems were allergy, ear and tonsillar infections, bedwetting, asthma, intestinal bleeding, colic and childhood diabetes. In adults the problems seemed centered more around heart disease and arthritis, allergy, sinusitis, and the more serious questions of leukemia, lymphoma and cancer.
Our paleolithic ancestors are another crucial and interesting group to study. Here we are limited to speculation and indirect evidences, but the bony remains available for our study are remarkable. There is no doubt whatever that these skeletal remains reflect great strength, muscularity (the size of the muscular insertions show this), and total absence of advanced osteoporosis. And if you feel that these people are not important for us to study, consider that today our genes are programming our bodies in almost exactly the same way as our ancestors of 50,000 to 100,000 years ago.
Consider for a moment, if it was possible, to drink the milk of a mammal other than a cow, let's say a rat. Or perhaps the milk of a dog would be more to your liking. Possibly some horse milk or cat milk. Do you get the idea? Well, I'm not serious about this, except to suggest that human milk is
for human infants, dogs' milk is for pups, cows' milk is for calves, cats' milk is for kittens, and so forth. Clearly, this is the way nature intends it. Just use your own good judgement on this one.
Today the top producers give 50,000 pounds! How was this accomplished? Drugs, antibiotics, hormones, forced feeding plans and specialized breeding; that's how.
Men who reported drinking three or more glasses of whole milk daily had a relative risk of 2.49 compared with men who reported never drinking whole milk the weight of the evidence appears to favour the hypothesis that animal fat is related to increased risk of prostate cancer. Prostate cancer is now the most common cancer diagnosed in US men and is the second leading cause of cancer mortality.
The most important such article appeared recently
...and a prominent cause of osteoporosis.
E said:Houde gets Post of the Day
Ultimate Houde said:Interesting, a Post of the Day that's educational
Take that Moonmaster
HA!
Evil Scientist trumps the mad scientist
Ultimate Houde said:personally if I eat too much ice cream I pay for it 30 minutes later screaming for mercy on the toilet,I'm ALMOST vegan (still eat cheese), and ate some Ice Cream a couple of days ago.. And yeah, 30 mins later is has you screaming. Kind of a good indicator that you shouldn't eat something if your stomach develops a natural resistance to it. This happens with both meat and milk, but not grains, fruits, or vegetables. Hmmm... I wonder what our natural diets should consist of :roll:
when in reality we went to a scientific journal search engine, and typed in our criteria, and
getting a result. I suspect over 90 % of these articles are useless.
LOL... I do this all the time for academic papers (thank you LExis Nexis!), so I wont judge him on this point.
Well, this logic can also be in used for other things. A cow's meat is only for a cow, a green bean's fruit is only for a green bean, and cat's can only be eaten by other cats.
Ermm... I dont think this holds. A correct argument would be that blood is for transporting oxygen (not drinking by vampires), semen is for reproduction, etc.
Cat meat isn't produced specifically for other cats to eat. Green beans however ARE produced by the plant specifically for consumption by humans. Same with all domesticated crops. This isn't true of domesticated animals.
Oh, you mean what we did with tomato plants, and other produce as well as other domesticated animals?
A tomato plant has no sentience. It doesn't feel pain, or the discomfort of being force fed or pumped full of anitbiotics. Artificially altering crops doesn't breed disease like altering livestock does. I could go on, but I think thats enough.
Which was transmitted by the meat of the cow as well.
Which is why you shouldnt eat that either!
I feel he made this article simply to put down milk because he hates it. It reminded me very much of a vegen or vegiatarian propaganda article.
Whether or not this is the most academic article, milk is still bad. Other sources of calcium are far healthier, and less unnatural (can you imagine if we started feeding adult cows human breastmilk? It would be disgusting).
I think the only point that really needs to be made is the ice cream thing from the beggining of my post... Milk ****s with your digestive system. It aint healthy.
Cheese tastes great though. :wink:
Planet-man said:I was lactose intolerent as a toddler but grew out of that around age 4.
Anyway, I love milk. I drink at least 2 or 3 glasses every day. The only side effect I've noticed is that I've never broken a bone or gotten a cavity.
Interestingly enough, one of my sister's best friends never drinks milk, but she does drink about 2 cans of Coke or Pepsi every day. One time she was playing soccer and someone kicked the ball to her. She was about 20 feet away and it hit her in the forearm. It was a clean break.
Also, though she comes from a relatively tall family, she's only 4' 11 at age 14.
Got milk?
Oh, and planetman.. I think your sisters friends problem has to do with more than just milk. Im sure if shes drinking two sodas a day, she also has all sorts of other unhealthy habits that lead to brittle bones.
And to counter your point, I havent drank milk in years (well, I drink soymilk), and I havent ever had a cavity, and the last bone I broke was like 8 years before I gave up milk.
Ultimate MJ said:Oh, and planetman.. I think your sisters friends problem has to do with more than just milk. Im sure if shes drinking two sodas a day, she also has all sorts of other unhealthy habits that lead to brittle bones.
Ultimate MJ said:Milk ****s with your digestive system. It aint healthy.
E.Vi.L. said:It ****s with your digestive system. Mine takes it very well. Bring on the ice cream. And the cheese. But not at the same time. Not because of my stomach, because of my taste buds!
Ultimate MJ said:I'm ALMOST vegan (still eat cheese), and ate some Ice Cream a couple of days ago.. And yeah, 30 mins later is has you screaming. Kind of a good indicator that you shouldn't eat something if your stomach develops a natural resistance to it. This happens with both meat and milk, but not grains, fruits, or vegetables. Hmmm... I wonder what our natural diets should consist of :roll:
Ermm... I dont think this holds. A correct argument would be that blood is for transporting oxygen (not drinking by vampires), semen is for reproduction, etc.
Cat meat isn't produced specifically for other cats to eat. Green beans however ARE produced by the plant specifically for consumption by humans. Same with all domesticated crops. This isn't true of domesticated animals.
A tomato plant has no sentience. It doesn't feel pain, or the discomfort of being force fed or pumped full of anitbiotics. Artificially altering crops doesn't breed disease like altering livestock does. I could go on, but I think thats enough.
Which is why you shouldnt eat that either!
Whether or not this is the most academic article, milk is still bad. Other sources of calcium are far healthier, and less unnatural (can you imagine if we started feeding adult cows human breastmilk? It would be disgusting).
I think the only point that really needs to be made is the ice cream thing from the beggining of my post... Milk ****s with your digestive system. It aint healthy.
Cheese tastes great though. :wink:
E.Vi.L. said:It ****s with your digestive system. Mine takes it very well. Bring on the ice cream. And the cheese. But not at the same time. Not because of my stomach, because of my taste buds!
E.Vi.L. said:It ****s with your digestive system. Mine takes it very well. Bring on the ice cream. And the cheese. But not at the same time. Not because of my stomach, because of my taste buds!
houde said:I'm confused by this, could you elaborate what your talking about and how it relates to what I was trying to say.
I beg to differ, domesticated animals serve a certain purpose for humans, hence why they are domesticated. Dogs serve many purposes, as do cats/horses that don't involve human consumption, while goats/cows/chickens do in various degrees....Biology is the study of life, and it has several criteria that need to be met for something to be considered alive. Plants meet all of these critieria. They most likely do scream, just you can't hear it.
All I will say is that there is a HUGE difference between life, self awareness, and ability to feel pain. Plants don't have the latter two.
Ultimate MJ said:No, it ****s with your body too. You just have a built up resistance to it. Your digestive system probably also processes pizza, ramen noodles, and coca cola very well (not to assume anything about you diet, just using random examples). They still arent healthy.
Ultimate Houde said:How is a plant not self aware? The sun moves, they follow it. Certain plants bloom at certain times during the day. They close when something flutters near there petals. Venus fly traps snap close when a bug lands.
Ultimate Houde said:E, see what you started?