Avengers New Avengers discussion (#1-20; spoilers)

[Ice]

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Wasn't that a clone of Magneto at the school?????

Uh-oh....

Here we go again....

:scared:

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

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Am I the only one?

 

[Ultimate Quicksilver]

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i'm glad i dont have NA in paper 'cause it would be my dog's toilet.
Seriously, Xorn? So, MAgneto is back, almost all the important mutants have their powers, what was the meaning of HoM?
I could understand if those two were written by two different guys, but Bendis just made it himself, he made HoM totally useless.

 

[E]

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Wasn't that a clone of Magneto at the school?????

I'm in denial.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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At this point, I don't think about HoM as a way to depower important mutants. It point seems to be that there's no way to create a mutant army anymore. Before there was always this threat that mutants could rise up and go to war with humans. Now that threat is gone and the mutants of this planet are at the mercy of humans, as a species.

It's a big deal, but it didn't have to be a major event and it could have been done better. As a comic read I know has said, "If I see one more white panel, I'm giving up on Marvel."

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

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Am I the only one?

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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Am I the only one?

What the hell are you trying to say? I'm half sure you're trying to be weird.

 

[Victor Von Doom]

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Am I the only one?

No. There's still the Highlander.

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

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That liked the thing?

 

[Ultimate Houde]

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Well, I've heard two different reviews

One is like MAgento craved for his powers and became diabolical again

The other review says Mags fought the COllective because he didn't want his powers back.

SO I am unsure, seeing as I have not read the issue

 

[Ultimate Quicksilver]

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Well, I've heard two different reviews

One is like MAgento craved for his powers and became diabolical again

The other review says Mags fought the COllective because he didn't want his powers back.

SO I am unsure, seeing as I have not read the issue

Magneto was not mad, it was Xorn trying to dominate him. He wanted to die, he said to the Sentry to kill him before it was too late.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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So I'm reading the New Joe Friday and they address NA #20. Here's what Joe Quesada had to say about the Xorn reference.

Kuan-Yen Xorn and Shen Xorn were twin brothers from China, both mutants, one with the power of a star in his head, one the power of a black hole. Kuan-Yen Xorn came under the influence of as-yet-to-be-revealed entity that forced him to assume the identity of Magneto, battle the X-Men and destroy Manhattan. He was subsequently killed by Wolverine near the end of that battle, in the Planet X storyline.

Soon thereafter, his twin brother Shen surfaced and briefly joined the X-Men. This Xorn brother was de-powered during M-Day.

Because Xorn's powers were psychokinetic, and his personality was so strong, it basically remained an almost disembodied sentient thing among the big ball of mutant energy. When that energy got sucked down to Earth by Michael and all absorbed by him, Xorn was the dominant personality in the mix, and that's what drove him towards Genosha and Magneto.

I'm almost satisfied by this explaination.

 

[Shihad]

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Originally Posted by JQ
Kuan-Yen Xorn and Shen Xorn were twin brothers from China, both mutants, one with the power of a star in his head, one the power of a black hole. Kuan-Yen Xorn came under the influence of as-yet-to-be-revealed entity that forced him to assume the identity of Magneto, battle the X-Men and destroy Manhattan. He was subsequently killed by Wolverine near the end of that battle, in the Planet X storyline.

Soon thereafter, his twin brother Shen surfaced and briefly joined the X-Men. This Xorn brother was de-powered during M-Day.

Because Xorn's powers were psychokinetic, and his personality was so strong, it basically remained an almost disembodied sentient thing among the big ball of mutant energy. When that energy got sucked down to Earth by Michael and all absorbed by him, Xorn was the dominant personality in the mix, and that's what drove him towards Genosha and Magneto.

I like that explantion...... i hope thats right, and how it was meant to be all along

 

[ultimatedjf]

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Whereas now I'm just more confused then ever. New Avengers was the first time I ever heard of Xorn, besides on this site.

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

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Whereas now I'm just more confused then ever. New Avengers was the first time I ever heard of Xorn, besides on this site.

And ditto. Look up Wikipedia. I don't know if it will help you but it help me a lil. I thought the whole thing was brilliant.... I SAID BRILLIANT!!! Useing Xorn was perfect. He's like the most powerful (not most fan popular) mutant ever. And it worked for me.

 

[roguefan]

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I thought I read this issue if it had Xorn in it, and bravo to Bendis for making it work!

 

[moonmaster]

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Grant Morrison in rolling in his grave (that's where he sleeps, ya know).

 

[Hibiki]

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Well the same could be said of morrison for creating the whole Xorn mishap anyway.

 

[ProjectX2]

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Well the same could be said of morrison for creating the whole Xorn mishap anyway.

What Xorn mishap? Morrison's Xorn was very straightforward - it was Magneto in disguise. Then Austen made some crap about Xorn being someone's brother... gah. I can't even talk about it.


It was Austen that made the mishap.

 

[Hibiki]

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Okay my bad, I knew someone had effed it up. So is this the brother we're seeing or the first Xorn.

 

[E]

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What Xorn mishap? Morrison's Xorn was very straightforward - it was Magneto in disguise. Then Austen made some crap about Xorn being someone's brother... gah. I can't even talk about it.


It was Austen that made the mishap.

Exactly. Morrison introduced Xorn, revealed his true identity, and that was it. The mess wasn't made until immediately after Morrison finished his run. I can't even blame Austen for it - it was a mandate from editorial.

It's just so stupid because all of this makes no sense. I'm not talking about the storyline, I'm talking about what came after Morrison left, as a whole. It's like they screwed around with the character, realized what a huge mess they made of it, then gave us this awful band-aid to cover it all up. Don't screw around with something like that in the first place and you don't have to fix it later (and therefore make the whole thing even worse to the point where the EIC has to explain it away in an Internet column because everyone is confused by it).

Stupid.

 

[slimjim]

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What Xorn mishap? Morrison's Xorn was very straightforward - it was Magneto in disguise. Then Austen made some crap about Xorn being someone's brother... gah. I can't even talk about it.


It was Austen that made the mishap.

Could've sworn it was claremont and bendis :lol:

Planet X was such a good story too. I could've lived with that as magneto's death he crippled xavier again, took over new york, killed the phoenix and got his head chopped by wolvie

That's a cool death!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hibiki]

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Sounds like you got alot of pent up aggression.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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Someone should be stopped the second they suggest creating a charcter who is pretending to be another character pretending to be himself.

 

[Random]

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The whole Xorn thing in NA gave me a better way of how to explain the whole Xorn thing, and it how I choose to think of it. Some guy deludes himself to thinking he is Magneto and comes up with a plot to infiltrate the X-men under an assumed identity. No Xorn's evil twin bother possed by something to pretend to be Magneto pretending to be Xorn that just sounds too complicated


But I agree with E, they should think ahead about these retcon things all the way through from the begining, and maybe run it buy a few fans, or dont do the initial event at all

 

[Hibiki]

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Ok I just read wikipedia and it says nothing about Austen. Just Morrison and how he complicated things. It still sounds complicated. I mean how can Kuan Yin be alive? I doubt it's Shen Xorn.

 

[Random]

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Ok I just read wikipedia and it says nothing about Austen. Just Morrison and how he complicated things. It still sounds complicated. I mean how can Kuan Yin be alive? I doubt it's Shen Xorn.

Wikipedia is unrealible, anyone could just go in and change things

 

[Hibiki]

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Wikipedia is unrealible, anyone could just go in and change things

I guess but there's always the question, Why? Plus they're usually spot on with others that it seems reliable. OMG what post is this? ok New Avengers...it comes out June 28th, right. We'll see what happens.

 

[Random]

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I guess but there's always the question, Why? Plus they're usually spot on with others that it seems reliable. OMG what post is this? ok New Avengers...it comes out June 28th, right. We'll see what happens.

Human error... and *** holes.

 

[E]

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Ok I just read wikipedia and it says nothing about Austen. Just Morrison and how he complicated things. It still sounds complicated. I mean how can Kuan Yin be alive? I doubt it's Shen Xorn.

Re-read what I wrote. Morrison didn't complicate anything. He introduced Xorn, had him join the X-Men, and revealed him to be Magneto in disguise. During Planet X, Magneto says several times that there was no Xorn, it was just a mask he wore.

I don't see what is complicated about that. The complications came when Marvel decided to a) make Xorn a real person and b) make 2 Xorns (twins). Morrison had nothing to do with any of that.