Avengers New Avengers discussion (#1-20; spoilers)

[MaxwellSmart]

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Wikipedia is unrealible, anyone could just go in and change things

As for Wikipedia, they changed it so that not anyone can change an entry. You have to be a registered member first. Not that it's that important, but the change happened rather resently.

Something about the whole Xorn thing that struck me is that the Xorn reference isn't that crucial to New Avengers. It brings up the long history of an odd character, but it was really just rapping up Chuck Austen's character. I'm content to just let it slide as an out there side story.

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

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I hear the Magician's actually Ultimate Xorn.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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I hear the Magician's actually Ultimate Xorn.

I'd say shut your mouth, but it might happen.

 

[MoS]

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As for Wikipedia, they changed it so that not anyone can change an entry. You have to be a registered member first. Not that it's that important, but the change happened rather resently.

No, that's only true for certain "protected" topics - topics which the Wikipedia Powers That Be got tired of seeing "vandalized" on a regular basis. I've edited a couple of things in the last couple weeks (although I finally did register with the site).

 

[Victor Von Doom]

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I hear the Magician's actually Ultimate Xorn.

:lol:

 

[thee great one]

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Claremont started it with using a different Magneto in Excalibur after he was killed in New York.

Then Austin used another Xorn.

I'm so confused. I blame it all on Joe Q. He doesn't seem to do anything expect write a book a year and defend what people have already done. The guy is worthless at his job. After seeing him at the con and then seeing the DC panel. Dan Didio knew everything about every title. Joe answered almost every question with "I don't know" or "We don't have any of the writers here."


This is issue was so confusing. Just as bad as the whole Sentry arc. I feel neutral about Magneto getting his powers back. I knew it woud happened. But I feel that they should of used him depowered in more stories. With the expection of an issue of Son Of M, he hasn't been in a comic since House Of M. I like that he was fighting it.

I can live with the Xorn explantion, but they should of never had to explain anything or ****ed with it. The art was alright. Not the level I expect from Dedato but i feel it was coloring as said. It was good coloring, it just didn't fit the art.

Wolverine's reaction to Alpha Flight is too little to late.

The only thing that was really good was Spider-Man's comment...

"Thanks for the new metal suit by the way."

 

[thee great one]

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and I just had another thought...

How did Xorn's essence get inside of the collective, when he was dead before the events of House Of M and Decimation?

Bollocks.

 

[Random]

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and I just had another thought...

How did Xorn's essence get inside of the collective, when he was dead before the events of House Of M and Decimation?

Bollocks.

I wanna know why is Xorn in contol of the collective. I think there can be a good story there, but I doubt they could ever pull it off

 

[MoS]

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So, just read #20, and the Xorn thing irks me to no end. I've read all 500+ issues of Avengers, know most of the characters and villains... and I've only vaguely heard of Xorn. That meant NOTHING to me and it was both a distraction, a waste of time and a short cut to power Magneto back up - which could have been done, just as easily, in Son of M.

Grrrr....

 

[Ultimate Quicksilver]

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So, just read #20, and the Xorn thing irks me to no end. I've read all 500+ issues of Avengers, know most of the characters and villains... and I've only vaguely heard of Xorn. That meant NOTHING to me and it was both a distraction, a waste of time and a short cut to power Magneto back up - which could have been done, just as easily, in Son of M.

Grrrr....

THANK YOU!
Its exactly what i think

 

[MoS]

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It's not that I expect a title to stick with only the villains that "belong" to it, it's that I expect anyone new - or from somewhere else - to be, you know, EXPLAINED in the context of the title. This "look it up on the internet" is B.S.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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and I just had another thought...

How did Xorn's essence get inside of the collective, when he was dead before the events of House Of M and Decimation?

Bollocks.

There were two Chinese mutants by the Xorn. They were named Kuan-Yin and Shen. Kuan-Yin was the Xorn impersinating Magneto impersinating Xorn. He got killed by Wolverine. Shen was just a mutant who was briefly introduced by Chuck Austen. He got depowered by M day. He was basically a being of energy, so when got depowered his consciousness went with his powers. When the collective formed in Micheal, Shen Xorn was able to dominate it. Xorn knew of Magneto and sought him out, because of their history.

 

[thee great one]

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There were two Chinese mutants by the Xorn. They were named Kuan-Yin and Shen. Kuan-Yin was the Xorn impersinating Magneto impersinating Xorn. He got killed by Wolverine. Shen was just a mutant who was briefly introduced by Chuck Austen. He got depowered by M day. He was basically a being of energy, so when got depowered his consciousness went with his powers. When the collective formed in Micheal, Shen Xorn was able to dominate it. Xorn knew of Magneto and sought him out, because of their history.

I have the issues with both Xorn's.

The Xorn that seek out Magneto was the one that destoryed New York. He said so.

Shen was very peace loving. He would of never done that.

 

[Nurhachi]

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I wanna know why is Xorn in contol of the collective. I think there can be a good story there, but I doubt they could ever pull it off

Joe Q said its because of Xorns Psychokinetic nature or whatever, he was the dominent personality in the collective. Thats why the collective sought out Magneto

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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I have the issues with both Xorn's.

The Xorn that seek out Magneto was the one that destoryed New York. He said so.

Shen was very peace loving. He would of never done that.

Where and when did who say it was Kuan-Yin who took over the collective?

Because Kuan-Yin was decapitated and that's not the kind of thing you can snap back from even by Marvel standards.

 

[E]

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Joe Q said its because of Xorns Psychokinetic nature or whatever, he was the dominent personality in the collective. Thats why the collective sought out Magneto

Ugh. How stupid.

The fact that this all has to be explained in interview columns and not in the comic just shows how ridiculous it is.

I don't know too many other characters that have been screwed up so badly. What a disaster they've turned it into.

 

[moonmaster]

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Exactly. Morrison introduced Xorn, revealed his true identity, and that was it. The mess wasn't made until immediately after Morrison finished his run. I can't even blame Austen for it - it was a mandate from editorial.

It's just so stupid because all of this makes no sense. I'm not talking about the storyline, I'm talking about what came after Morrison left, as a whole. It's like they screwed around with the character, realized what a huge mess they made of it, then gave us this awful band-aid to cover it all up. Don't screw around with something like that in the first place and you don't have to fix it later (and therefore make the whole thing even worse to the point where the EIC has to explain it away in an Internet column because everyone is confused by it).

Stupid.

I know. Aren't Claremont and a few other creators responsible for getting Marvel to do all this? Weren't they mad about what Morrison had done with Magneto? It's all bull****. Morrison writes the greatest run in X-Men history and Marvel just ****s all over it. The bastards.

 

[E]

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I know. Aren't Claremont and a few other creators responsible for getting Marvel to do all this? Weren't they mad about what Morrison had done with Magneto? It's all bull****. Morrison writes the greatest run in X-Men history and Marvel just ****s all over it. The bastards.

Could be. I hadn't heard that. If so, that makes Claremont and/or whomever complained about it that much more pathetic. Especially when Claremont turns out X-Men issues consisting of the X-Men playing softball.

It *was* the greatest X-Men run ever and it was the only time the X-Men were interesting enough for me to buy the issues.

 

[slimjim]

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I'm pretty sure fanboys cried about it, saying "magneto would NEVR act like that"

Stupid.

Yehhhp

 

[Hibiki]

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I've officially realized that Claremont is an idiot. He tries to get his way with things with ****ty ideas and then heads butts b/c they're stupid. He wanted to create the Origin of Wolverine by explaining that Wolvie was an actual wolverine that evolved in a short amount of time. That's THE stupidest thing I've ever come out of anybody's head. He was trying to do the same thing with another X character but I forgot who. His arcs aren't even worth reading.

 

[thee great one]

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Where and when did who say it was Kuan-Yin who took over the collective?

Because Kuan-Yin was decapitated and that's not the kind of thing you can snap back from even by Marvel standards.

Read carefully...

 

[Hibiki]

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Our name? So is it both Xorns? And why does Magneto want to be killed?

 

[E]

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And why does Magneto want to be killed?

He's a good guy now. He realize that "Xorn" wants to use him for evil.

I can't believe I just typed that out.

 

[thee great one]

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He's a good guy now. He realize that "Xorn" wants to use him for evil.

I can't believe I just typed that out.

:lol:

 

[Gamma Man]

Okay, in the first trade, (#1-6,) it shows Ronin on the cover in the back, but Ronin never shows. Why is this? I mean, i've never seen Ronin in the first one.

 

[Shihad]

I bought the New Avengers hardcover that collects the arcs, Breakout and Sentry.
I was reading through it and there is a sketch cover of the 1st issue where they standing on a rock type thing, and Ronin has the bubble head.
And instead of Jess Drew as the Spider-woman, it has the Julia Carpenter spider-woman from the secret war maxi series.
Just thought that was interesting, dunno if Finch screwed it up,or they decided to change half way through.

Also

Spoiler

in the introduction Bendis says that someone in the first issue is a skrull................ don't know if that is a true fact, cause he laughs afterward, but if it true it could be considered good planning or coincidence

 

[E]

Also

Spoiler

in the introduction Bendis says that someone in the first issue is a skrull................ don't know if that is a true fact, cause he laughs afterward, but if it true it could be considered good planning or coincidence

Bendis doesn't plan anything. He retcons. It's the Marvel way.

 

[Bass]

Truth accepted.

 

[Victor Von Doom]

My 4 kids were never planned. They were just retconned in. I retconned them back out.


Doom can't be tied down like that.

 

[Gemini]

Bendis just leaves random plotholes and loosethreads so one he comes up with his "great ideas" he goes through all his stuff and ties them in with his idea, to make it seem like he has had this ultra-secret grand vision for years now