And if Morrison did employ some intelligent foreshadowing and intelligent lead up in these books, then I would grant him more respect as a writer. Because he didn't show these attributes in the New X-Men title.
Hmmm... When you put it THAT way, i'm now starting to believe that Morrison wanted Xorn to be Mags from the very beginning, but he faced inevitable editorial conflicts for proposing such a big revelation. Perhaps he had the decision in mind from the very start, but he wasn't able to foreshadow it sufficiently because of constraints from the higher-ups? I guess only a Marvel insider could ever truly answer that.Bass said:Guys, while you may think Morrison may not have set it up, his track record would suggest otherwise. He often, when he starts a title, works out where the title is going, years down the road. The Invisibles, Animal Man, and Doom Patrol are all such titles. And I'd really recommend his Doom Patrol work, which is beautiful.
I did read it back to back. There was no clear indication that Morrison had a larger plan when he introduced Xorn, nor that there was any threat to the X-men in relation to his arrival, nor any threat to the X-men unrelated to xorn that may have been in some way connected to him.Bass said:Actually, I think he did in New X-Men. (He definately does in the ones I mentioned.) The problem with New X-Men is that it only really works if you read it all back to back, which I did several months ago. All of a sudden, I was able to put pieces together, like Sublime and kick and Magneto and human aggression, things I just did not notice earlier. I think this is part Morrison's fault (for not making it more accessible month by month) and partly my fault (for not paying enough attention). I found the run pretty okay whilst reading it as it came out, but reading it all together - I was blown away.
Thing is, he was able to get away with that precise level of narrative coordination in The Invisibles or Doom Patrol or Seven Soldiers *precisely* because he is/was dealing with a bunch of characters who are/were either (a) completely his own creations, or (b)viewed as perennial B-listers.Bass said:Ah... okay. I getcha. Still, I find it highly unlikely that he didn't have it all planned considering his track record (he's currently doing it in The Seven Soldiers of Victory).
Ohmigod! I am SO relieved that somebody else feels this way... I was seriously worried that I just didn't "get" it, and the story was going over my head.Bass said:Also, he ****ed up with the Filth, which was just dull, in my opinion.
Bass said:Morrison has also, a series of unconnected events occur,
Guijllons said:There was no foreshadowing that it was really Magneto, just one day he started acting funny, and the next issue he was Magneto.
It was pretty lame i thought.
UltimateE said:Disagreed - notice that the only people that Xorn "healed" were infected with nanosentinels, which were metal. What happened when they brought him to heal Quentin? He claimed that he wasn't meant to heal him, and instead turned and healed Scott (I think it was), who was infected with - you guessed it - nanosentinels.
UltimateE said:Oh, they're connected. The reader doesn't know about it as it's happening. EVERYTHING ties together in the end.
Bass said:Oh I know that. I was just describing the story, and at that moment, all the events seem unconnected at that time. They do connect indeed, I was just trying to quickly recreate the feeling of chaos that surrounded the arc as it barrelled towards its climax.
UltimateE said:I knew you knew, I was just saying for anyone who hadn't read it.
So if you knew that E knew that you knew that E knew, why was it not made known that he had known that you had known, and spare everyone who didn't know the tedium of having to be told what they didn't know?Bass said:Oh, I knew you knew that I knew that you knew, and I knew that you knew I knew you knew.