Rogue Smurf
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Hello, this is my first post ever here. I think I have figured out who the traitor is and I'm just so excited I want to see what another group of people think of the evidence I have gathered. My guess is someone everyone seems to simply gloss over, so it's even sweeter. So anyway, here is my evidence, I'd like to see what you all think.
My guess for the traitor is Nick Fury. I believe Bass wrote him off because of the skin color shown on the slip of wrist at the end of issue #6. That wrist was purposefully in the shadows so that we couldn't judge the color. It was a tease, nothing more. My evidence is based on more than that. I will try to keep things neat as well.
The Beginning: My theory starts in Ultimates 2 issues #2 and the look on Nick Fury's face at the very end. It is my opinion that the look said, "oh my...Hank's right..." and not "oh my, hank knows, we need to take him out." Fury began to see where the Ultimates and America were heading and he realized he didn't like it. This theory is backed by the chat, earlier in the issue, between Thor and one of his fans at the club. They are discussing how the President is simply the 'friendly face' of the government and that he can't be blamed for what they do. This is an important scene in that it implies that Fury is simply the 'friendly face' of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Ultimates...that he's probably not even let in on the real meetings. So issue #2 begins the Volume long arc of Fury's betrayal. Think about it, no other characters save Thor and Banner have done anything emotional this entire time, therefore the story of the traitor would begin in issue #5 when Loki reveals it. But if it were Fury, then the story would stretch back to issue #2 and indeed stretch the length of the entire volume. That look on Fury's face has not been brought up again...and the Ultimates is too good of a book to leave something like that dangling.
The Patriotic Rant: Very important to note, of course, is the rant by the traitor in the end of issue #6. The traitor says 'we' crippled a nation...Fury would, of course, list himself among the Ultimates so it doesn't matter who is actually in the picture. What matters in this scene is that the traitor specifically mentions Guantanemo Bay and Homeland Security for things that he's upset about in the country. These are very specific military things that someone like Jan or Tony wouldn't care about if ranting against the U.S. Therefore, the traitor is patriotic and attached to the military. This limits the candidates down to Cap, Hawkeye, and of course Fury.
The Trio of Candidates: To differentiate between these three, i'm going to look at things from a story perspective. The reveal of the traitor has to be huge and epic because that's the way Ultimates does things. Who among those three will carry the most depth and deepest hurt if he or she is the traitor? Surely not Hawkeye. If Hawkeye is revealed as the traitor we'll all shrug and Cap will punch him, and that's the end of that. So Cap and Fury would be the last two candidates. The traitor also has to work as a duo with Hank so that it's easier to buy and understand. Cap hates Hank's guts and Hawkeye I don't think has said two words to Hank in the entire series. Whereas Fury and Hank are close and friendly. Fury is patriotic enough to love America but liberal enough to hate where things are going. Cap is definitely conservative and would have no problem with the big brother approach, but Fury isn't as hardcore conservative. He would feel a hurting if America was going in the wrong direction.
The Future of the Ultimate Universe: Think about it, if the US government suddenly had Giant Men everywhere and the European heroes just kept multiplying, then the Ultimate universe would forever have to change. Spider-Man, X-Men, F4...they would all have to incorporate these new story points. So someone, at the end of Volume 2, things are going to change. If Cap is the traitor, that is nothing. He can be replaced and the project can go on. However, if Fury is the traitor and he turned against all of this...things were change in big ways. They can't just dump Fury and move on.
Ultron: My next piece of in-comic evidence comes in issue #6 with Fury meeting with Hank, Ultron, and Vision 2. Now, Ultron has been around since the beginning of Volume 1 and was mentioned in Volume 2 issue #3. S.H.I.E.L.D. has been trying to get Ultron for a long time...now all of a sudden Fury doesn't want them? Hank is giving them away for free but still Fury turns him down with barely a second thought or a proper meeting. In issue #3, Doctor Brankin wanted Ultron. My theory is that Fury was keeping Hank away from the Ultimates because Fury knows they're headed in the wrong direction and he wants Hank to work with him on the outside.
Hank Pym's Final Assignment: Hank's last assignment with the Ultimates was to drug Banner in issue #3. It always bugged me why they had Hank do it. They all hated Hank, were about to get rid of him, and anyone could drug Banner. So why Hank? Well, if the traitor is Fury, then the scene with the two of them afterwards in the helicopter becomes even more poignant. Fury gave Hank the final assignment and Hank said he didn't want to mess it up. What if Fury's assignment wasn't to dope Banner...but to make sure he could become the Hulk and survive? Fury liked Banner and perhaps thinks he might need his help to fight the Ultimates down the line.
Betty Ross: This is rather minor...but we haven't seen her since Fury took her out for drinks after Banner's funeral. Maybe she's working with him in secret?
Anyway, that is my evidence for why Fury is the traitor. I hope, at the very least, I've gotten some of you thinking. :shock:
My guess for the traitor is Nick Fury. I believe Bass wrote him off because of the skin color shown on the slip of wrist at the end of issue #6. That wrist was purposefully in the shadows so that we couldn't judge the color. It was a tease, nothing more. My evidence is based on more than that. I will try to keep things neat as well.
The Beginning: My theory starts in Ultimates 2 issues #2 and the look on Nick Fury's face at the very end. It is my opinion that the look said, "oh my...Hank's right..." and not "oh my, hank knows, we need to take him out." Fury began to see where the Ultimates and America were heading and he realized he didn't like it. This theory is backed by the chat, earlier in the issue, between Thor and one of his fans at the club. They are discussing how the President is simply the 'friendly face' of the government and that he can't be blamed for what they do. This is an important scene in that it implies that Fury is simply the 'friendly face' of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Ultimates...that he's probably not even let in on the real meetings. So issue #2 begins the Volume long arc of Fury's betrayal. Think about it, no other characters save Thor and Banner have done anything emotional this entire time, therefore the story of the traitor would begin in issue #5 when Loki reveals it. But if it were Fury, then the story would stretch back to issue #2 and indeed stretch the length of the entire volume. That look on Fury's face has not been brought up again...and the Ultimates is too good of a book to leave something like that dangling.
The Patriotic Rant: Very important to note, of course, is the rant by the traitor in the end of issue #6. The traitor says 'we' crippled a nation...Fury would, of course, list himself among the Ultimates so it doesn't matter who is actually in the picture. What matters in this scene is that the traitor specifically mentions Guantanemo Bay and Homeland Security for things that he's upset about in the country. These are very specific military things that someone like Jan or Tony wouldn't care about if ranting against the U.S. Therefore, the traitor is patriotic and attached to the military. This limits the candidates down to Cap, Hawkeye, and of course Fury.
The Trio of Candidates: To differentiate between these three, i'm going to look at things from a story perspective. The reveal of the traitor has to be huge and epic because that's the way Ultimates does things. Who among those three will carry the most depth and deepest hurt if he or she is the traitor? Surely not Hawkeye. If Hawkeye is revealed as the traitor we'll all shrug and Cap will punch him, and that's the end of that. So Cap and Fury would be the last two candidates. The traitor also has to work as a duo with Hank so that it's easier to buy and understand. Cap hates Hank's guts and Hawkeye I don't think has said two words to Hank in the entire series. Whereas Fury and Hank are close and friendly. Fury is patriotic enough to love America but liberal enough to hate where things are going. Cap is definitely conservative and would have no problem with the big brother approach, but Fury isn't as hardcore conservative. He would feel a hurting if America was going in the wrong direction.
The Future of the Ultimate Universe: Think about it, if the US government suddenly had Giant Men everywhere and the European heroes just kept multiplying, then the Ultimate universe would forever have to change. Spider-Man, X-Men, F4...they would all have to incorporate these new story points. So someone, at the end of Volume 2, things are going to change. If Cap is the traitor, that is nothing. He can be replaced and the project can go on. However, if Fury is the traitor and he turned against all of this...things were change in big ways. They can't just dump Fury and move on.
Ultron: My next piece of in-comic evidence comes in issue #6 with Fury meeting with Hank, Ultron, and Vision 2. Now, Ultron has been around since the beginning of Volume 1 and was mentioned in Volume 2 issue #3. S.H.I.E.L.D. has been trying to get Ultron for a long time...now all of a sudden Fury doesn't want them? Hank is giving them away for free but still Fury turns him down with barely a second thought or a proper meeting. In issue #3, Doctor Brankin wanted Ultron. My theory is that Fury was keeping Hank away from the Ultimates because Fury knows they're headed in the wrong direction and he wants Hank to work with him on the outside.
Hank Pym's Final Assignment: Hank's last assignment with the Ultimates was to drug Banner in issue #3. It always bugged me why they had Hank do it. They all hated Hank, were about to get rid of him, and anyone could drug Banner. So why Hank? Well, if the traitor is Fury, then the scene with the two of them afterwards in the helicopter becomes even more poignant. Fury gave Hank the final assignment and Hank said he didn't want to mess it up. What if Fury's assignment wasn't to dope Banner...but to make sure he could become the Hulk and survive? Fury liked Banner and perhaps thinks he might need his help to fight the Ultimates down the line.
Betty Ross: This is rather minor...but we haven't seen her since Fury took her out for drinks after Banner's funeral. Maybe she's working with him in secret?
Anyway, that is my evidence for why Fury is the traitor. I hope, at the very least, I've gotten some of you thinking. :shock: