Ultimate Spider-Man #93 discussion (spoilers)

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vintsukka said:
Beezer said in this issue: "Deadpool is the nickname Sergeant Wadey Wilson picked up after his death-defying action in the Wakanda wars in the early nineties."

Was this the first mention of Wakanda in the UU? I don't remember it being mentioned anywhere else.

I'm sure it's just a throwaway line from Bendis, it's not like he's going to elaborate on the "Wakanda wars" any further, but still. Wouldn't mind Wakanda and Ultimate Black Panther making an appearance at some point.
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I totally forgot to bring this up (Obviously, I wasn't the only one though.) I was totally geeking out when I read that line. Brilliant. And I'm willing to bet someone's gonna have the balls to elaborate on them somewhere down the line. I can't wait for an Ultimate Black Panther.
 
Ice said:
Who said BP is going to come in USM? Don't assume too early. You never know.
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Yeah, I didn't say it'd be a USM spin-off with Spidey in it. In fact, I can't think of one legit scenerio where Spider-Man should be involved in Wakanda. a kid can only be kidnapped and end up in another country so many times in his life. Leave Ultimate Black Panther with the Ultimates.... Maybe the X-Men for a Storm/Panther nod.... or the Fantastic Four for some sort of technological scientific breakthrough mumbo jumbo.
 
The Wakanda Wars should be elaborated on. Perhaps this would help some of the stuff going on in the Fantastic Four... In terms of how we have all these resources and stuff. That would be kinda cool, right?
 
Ultimate Quicksilver said:
If Deadpool is not the shapshifter ill never read USM again. Lame villains, average ultimization, even worst ending.
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I think it'll be more like they'll have some type of machine that gives them the disguises. So it'd be more than just Deadpool.
 
Finally got this issue today. I did like it, but I agree that there's just too much going on to really make this a good arc. Too much action is pinned into this forced "on the air" gimmick and I didn't particularly feel this issue. Plus, Deadpool is not that humorous and there's just too much going on in each page to really tell a coherent story.

One thing I did notice though, it's pretty much out in the open now that Spider-Man and Kitty are dating. They even acknowledge that "internet speculation seems to have been confirmed." Even if Kitty wanted to be "Spider Girl" to throw off the speculators, that wouldn't do any good. So the whole issue with Peter hanging out in public with Kitty is pretty much null and void.
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
I didn't realize there was an loose end involving resources in UFF.
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I'm only talking about how they don't quite fit in with the continuity in the UU before they were ultimized.

That's what I have been saying... Kitty and Peter can't cover things up regardless of a new costume or new alias.
 
Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Bendis sort of hinted they would at least try that - but with the stuff on Krakoa hitting the internet and being broadcast to the world, that's completely out the window. If Bendis just glazes over this whole issue
to get the nice interaction between MJ and Kitty that he mentioned was upcoming a few months ago
, then that would be a disservice to fan intelligence (much like the Rogue thing this issue.)
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
616 Deadpool had an image inducer.
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yes, and so does this deadpool. He used it to kidnap them by looking like x-men in the first place.
 
Man, what in God's name is all this Bendis-bashing for?!? I think the guy's good. He's consistantly good, even if he's only occasionally great. He and Bagley have taken this incarnation of Spidey a long way, and I enjoy this book more than I do any two of the core Spidey books put together. I haven't read ULTIMATE DEADPOOL yet,but I can't imagine it making me dislike what they've done.
 
I totally agree with you, JV. What I have been saying is that this arc does not fit with USM, but more with UXM... It feels like Spider-Man was just thrown in the mix because it's his title.
 
jeremiahvedder said:
Man, what in God's name is all this Bendis-bashing for?!?
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There is a sentiment, touched upon in this thread actually, that Bendis has been mailing it in for a while, and is only on the book to break the record and not specifically because he has great stories to tell.

A lot of people (here anyway) think that the quality of the book dropped off during or after "Venom".
 
E said:
There is a sentiment, touched upon in this thread actually, that Bendis has been mailing it in for a while, and is only on the book to break the record and not specifically because he has great stories to tell.

A lot of people (here anyway) think that the quality of the book dropped off during or after "Venom".
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That about sums it up.
 
Ah, well, even if he is phoning it in, it's still better than the core Spidey books, IMO.

I'm still in BMB's corner on it, anyway.

I totally agree with you, JV. What I have been saying is that this arc does not fit with USM, but more with UXM... It feels like Spider-Man was just thrown in the mix because it's his title.
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Bendis probably just wanted to write an X-Men book, ha.
 
jeremiahvedder said:
Ah, well, even if he is phoning it in, it's still better than the core Spidey books, IMO.
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I will agree on that note. Amazing, Sensational and Friendly Neighborhood pale in comprison to Ultimate.
 
jeremiahvedder said:
Ah, well, even if he is phoning it in, it's still better than the core Spidey books, IMO.
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You know, I agree. But I personally can't give a book/writer much credit for being less sucky than another book/writer, as opposed to just being good and telling a good story.
 
E said:
You know, I agree. But I personally can't give a book/writer much credit for being less sucky than another book/writer, as opposed to just being good and telling a good story.
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And E has another point.

That falls back to the playground rules. If you're about to play some football and you're picking teams---it gets down to the last 2 kids. Do you pick the fat kid with twinkies in his pockets....or the small runty kid with asthma? You pick the fat kid because at least he can play Center. But you don't brag that you got the fat kid.

So while you can like/pick Bendis's stories more than JMS or whoever else......you can't praise him for doing an average job.

The fact is----Bendis has thrown away many opportunities to introduce great characters into the UU via a well written story w/ plot......but instead he just introduces them like Baskin Robbins flavors of the month. He's not concerned with whether they're good or not----he just wants to get them out there.

I genuinely believe that his heart is in some other stories and he's just sticking with this until he can solidify a big record.
 
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby did the same thing with FF#20 to 50 something back in the day, generating an extraordinary amount of characters without fully fleshing them out... And I believe their motivation (which I read in an interview a long time ago) is the same as Bendis' is now. Get the characters out here now, let people know they exist and have them clamor for more. These are introductions, like how Gambit did in Ultimate X-Men #14-15 (I think). This is the handshake. The conversation comes later.

In summary: The stories aren't bad if you just don't like them due to the seeming constant assault of "new" characters. (Peter's dramatic real, non-costumed life has always been well done.) They're opportunities, the same way Lee and Kirby put them out there, a step into the doorway of something more.

I'm sticking with Bendis on this one.
 
jeremiahvedder said:
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby did the same thing with FF#20 to 50 something back in the day, generating an extraordinary amount of characters without fully fleshing them out... And I believe their motivation (which I read in an interview a long time ago) is the same as Bendis' is now. Get the characters out here now, let people know they exist and have them clamor for more. These are introductions, like how Gambit did in Ultimate X-Men #14-15 (I think). This is the handshake. The conversation comes later.

In summary: The stories aren't bad if you just don't like them due to the seeming constant assault of "new" characters. (Peter's dramatic real, non-costumed life has always been well done.) They're opportunities, the same way Lee and Kirby put them out there, a step into the doorway of something more.

I'm sticking with Bendis on this one.
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That's cool; I'm not judging. I'm just explaining.

As for Bendis specifically - you could be totally right that he is doing the Lee/Kirby thing by introducing characters for other people to handle. I personally think that's kind of crappy, but I can understand why it might need to be done.

The problem I have with it is that a) why would he be doing that if he intends to be on the book full time, and b) why is he doing that *now* while at the same time picking up talk about breaking this so-called record, whereas before it wasn't a concern and he was introducing characters himself and developing them too?

The funny thing about this record - and while I'm not cynical to the point where I think it's his sole motivation for staying on the book, I do believe it's a major point for him - is that it's not a record at all. I'm not even sure it's a record for Marvel. But Dave Sim wrote many, many more issues of Cerebus than just 104. Bone lasted longer than 104 issues I believe and I'm pretty sure it was all written by one guy.
 
The 104 is a record for Marvel. It was said so in an interview a few months back when this was brought up.

Just wanted to say that. :)
 

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