Ultimate Wolverine Vs Hulk #1 (Discussion/Spoilers)

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Yeah....that makes sense. Now that I just re-read it...the answer is staring you dead in the face.

But then I just thought of something---Wolevrine said his legs ain't gonna grow themselves back....but I thought that's what he does? He loses a finger...he grows it back. You get hit by a truck and your body is ripped to shreds....it grows back like an autopsy in reverse.

Lately Wolverine seems to be the new Scarlet Witch...he does whatever the writer needs him to be able to do.





Bah---I don't know why I'm so negative lately....
 
I have to say, I really enjoyed it.

Lindelof is using the same formula he did for Lost - either out of laziness or because he felt it was appropriate or because it was expected or asked of him I don't know - but Wolverine wakes up after "insert trauma" and then we flashback to how he got there.

The thing is - Lindelof, first time writing the Ultimate universe - and he seems to have got each character consistent in their portrayal. Wolverine is Wolverine, Fury is Fury, Betty is Betty. Very impressed.

There were a number of things in the issue that actually kept it entertaining despite the fact that even though the issue opens with incredible violence, the rest of it is Logan talking to people and being given exposition. But Lindelof manages to handle that exposition quite deftly - as has been pointed out, the ingenuity of random disasters are actually the Hulk. That was one of those, "Why do I not see people talk about Hulk like this all the time?" It was a marvelous way to depict the Hulk's power and create a real gravitas to his threat level.

Yu of course, is superb. There's little more to be said about him. A truly amazing illustrator - though I'm curious as to the relationship between him an Travis Charest.

I was very pleased with this issue, which is surprising since I just stopped watching Lost as I realised that it was boring as hell. In fact, my distaste for Lost makes me worried if this series, at 6-issues is going to be too long. I can already imagine that each issue will be a boring, boring flashback fest. For example, I'm convinced #2 (perhaps #3) will be a flashback like this issue, but from Banner/Hulk's pov. We'll see why and how he ended up in Tibet. We'll see him create those disasters and so on. In fact, I can imagine #2 starting with Banner in the snowy mountains of Tibet, muttering to himself, throwing up, feeling so sick but he can't think why he feels so ill - then he remembers and we see him ripping Wolverine in half again and then Banner thinks to himself, and we go back in time and it ends in the same place as #1 did.

I had hope because the first issue very quickly moves through time to arrive pretty much where the story started chronologically, but then Lost episodes started with the character flashbacks being how they ended on the plane, then later on, we get flashbacks from all over the shop in their backstories and I can't help but feel that in #4 we're going to have a flashback about Wolverine's wedding or Banner's first date with Betty or something.

I dunno, I have this terrible fear of just being mind-numbling bored by this series halfway through, as I was with Lost.

That said, there does seem to be somethings already in the works for subsequent issues - Fury would seem to think that Wolverine is more powerful than a nuke? Perhaps Fury is trying to get Wolverine killed. Also, Jen seems to be the other super soldier brainiac and has access to two doses of the Hulk serum, and she seems interested in Wolverine's joints. Now, its possible she's hitting on him, it's possible she wants to replicate the admantium process, or it's possible she's looking for weaknesses because she's a kook and wants to be the next Hulk. Maybe. Maybe Abomination makes his debut - it's just the two doses of the Hulk serum... worry me.

But in any case, while I'm still trepidatious of the series, I very much enjoyed the first issue.
 
there are only two things i want to know:

1. how does wolverine get his legs back and how do they re-attach them.

2. why doesn't the hulk just stay one color? i mean, i liked the grey look. it made him feel.... not 616ish.
 
elfreo said:
there are only two things i want to know:

1. how does wolverine get his legs back and how do they re-attach them.

Glue.

elfreo said:
2. why doesn't the hulk just stay one color? i mean, i liked the grey look. it made him feel.... not 616ish.

He was green in Ultimate Marvel Team Up, then grey, and we saw in Ultimates 2 the Hulk became green again, I assume, because it's more recognizable.
 
UltimateE said:
Beautiful.

This is the best non-Ultimates Ultimate title I've read in a loooooong time. I'm not a big fan of this style of art, but it fits well enough so that it's not distracting.

The plot is awesome. Earthquakes are going on with no activity in the fault lines. Buildings getting bombed with no bomb materials being found. Herds of cattle killed and it's blamed on wolves, even though there are no wolves around. And then they find Hulk poop. With a finger in it. Awesome.

I just wonder why Wolverine smelled the serum instead of the poop in order to find Banner?

The ending was weird, with Hulk surrounded by babes, but I liked it in relation to the "where's all the women?" quip earlier.

This is awesome. I hope Orson Scott Card reads this before he starts work on Ultimate Iron Man 2 and sees how it's supposed to be done.

5/5

I knew you'd like it.

Victor Von Doom said:
Just finished reading it---this has to be one of the best Ultimate books I've read. Great opener....great ending.

We all know that both will walk away alive...but what I'm more intrigued by is the fact that Wolverine's supposedly "unbreakable" skeleton has been broken...where do you go from that? How do you explain that?

His bones are encased in adamantium, not his joints (including his spinal joints), meaning they're just as likely to be pulled apart as a normal humans. Otherwise, if Wolverine's joints were covered in adamantium, how would he move? Answer: he wouldn't.

Lynx said:
There's two possible explanations:

1) Hulk ripped Wolverine apart at a joint, which wouldn't be covered in Adamantium or Wolverine wouln't be able to move.

or

2) Hulk is simply that strong. After all, he broke the Adamantium needle used in Ultimates 1 by Captain America.

This is another possibility, and I honestly believe Hulk could be capable of just such a thing.

elfreo said:
there are only two things i want to know:

1. how does wolverine get his legs back and how do they re-attach them.

Well, this issue already showed him climbing up the mountain side with his claws to retrieve his legs. And all he has to do it position his upper body atop the legs and voila, in a bit he'll have reattached himself and be good as new.

2. why doesn't the hulk just stay one color? i mean, i liked the grey look. it made him feel.... not 616ish.

Its paint by numbers...sometimes they get the numbers wrong.
 
Ultimate Adamantium doesn't seem to be as strong as the 616 version. There was the needle that Hulk broke and also during Return to Weapon X's flashback to Desert Storm an Adamantium cage was broken by a tank shell.
 
I'm getting this next week. I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but I checked here just to see what people's general opinion is and I'm very happy with the positive reviews (especially Bass's. He's one tough ***** to please.)
 
I've explained Hulk's colour change before, but I'll do it again...

He started off green, as he was gamma-radiated. He then took the super-soldier serum, which made him grey. He stayed grey for a while, until it must have worn off, but leaving the Hulk DNA bonded with Banner's. Now, he's back to being green, as there is no serum in him.
 
elfreo said:
1. how does wolverine get his legs back and how do they re-attach them

We don't know exactly yet, but I would bet that like Irish said he just kind of positions them correctly and lets all the nerves, arteries, muscles, etc. reattach.
 
UltimateE said:
We don't know exactly yet, but I would bet that like Irish said he just kind of positions them correctly and lets all the nerves, arteries, muscles, etc. reattach.
It's the way to do it. In 616, he had to 'rip' his hand (with the wrist) off when chained to a wall, than took his arm, positioned it, wrapped it reaaaaaaally tight with a towel (or something else), and by the end of the issue, it was as if the hand never came off.
 
i really dug this issue as i read it in the san diego airport. comics are a great cure for waiting in the airport. does anyone else think that hulk needs to do some crunches or get an ab roller? i think he's eaten too many people and cows...he's got quite the gut on him.
 
selfproclaimed said:
i really dug this issue as i read it in the san diego airport. comics are a great cure for waiting in the airport. does anyone else think that hulk needs to do some crunches or get an ab roller? i think he's eaten too many people and cows...he's got quite the gut on him.

I noticed that also...I assume its just the way Yu draws him. Or maybe it is all the cows and concubines.
 
Really like the issue 9/10. Like the characterizations up until the Hulk surrounded by babes part which made no sense to me. Solid beginning, solid ending, solid issue. Very good way to start off a mini. Art was good too.

The comment about joints I believe was just a use of foreshadowing and to explain to the reader how Logan was ripped in two because up until that point there had been no explaination (at least to my knowledge) of the extent of Logan's skeleton.

I like the fact that they introduced Jen to the UU, and she was probably flirting with Logan, however, it was most likely to get information out of him. I expect her to be the opposite of Bruce socially. She is probablly just as we saw her, fast, loose, and high-flying among many social circles.

I do not think this is one big conspiracy to knock off Logan because in the end I think he is too valuable to Fury for the exact reason he is using him here, as an assasin. At anytime Fury has one of the best assasins in the world equipped to take out super-human or human. I did not mind Logan excepting this mission off the bat because I honestly always see this being part of the Wolverine character. No matter how much an author wants him to be a normal person, another can and will always be able to use "assasin Wolverine" to great effect.

I agree with Bass, issue #2 will most likely be more flashbacks but from the Hulk this time. However the story will continue despite this, and we'll see Logan get his act together and plan his assault for issue #3.
 
taking this job doesn't seem like too out of character for wolverine...he's the best at what he does...and this would certainly test that...it seems to me like he's taking it for the challenge...as well as the fact that the hulk is responsible for hundreds of deaths

it's interesting that the hulk has all those fine lovely ladies around him and that he's living the big life because way back in volume 1, banner mentioned to betty over the phone that he missed being big, that's why he took the hulk serum again...so i'm curious to see what this does to banner, now that he is big, and seems to be in some control of the hulk
 
selfproclaimed said:
i'm curious to see what this does to banner, now that he is big, and seems to be in some control of the hulk

This last panel is more an argument in favor of the fact that the Hulk is in control of Banner.
 
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Great issue, blew me away. I was a little worried about the Yu art; I wasn't too impressed with Superman: Birthright, but Yu's art fit this perfectly. Probably the best start to an Ultimate mini that I can recall, let's hope the story and art continue this good through all six issues.

To Card: please read this and take some notes before starting UIM 2!
 
WOWZA!

At first I wanted to get this mini. Then I wasn't really interested and slapped a maybe on it. Now? NOW! Now it's on my to-buy list! I'm gonna hunt it down and kill the man who holds a copy if I have to!

Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine is NOT just a fight comic!

I love LOST! I love Leinel Yu's art! Why the hell didn't I preorder this!?
 
God, Jen Walters is sexy. That's a stark contrast to 616 Jen, where Jen is lame and She-Hulk is sexy. Might this alter the Ultimate version of She-Hulk?

And then when she put the card back in her cleavage and we just see the tip of her lingerie... =D!
 
Doc Comic said:
God, Jen Walters is sexy. That's a stark contrast to 616 Jen, where Jen is lame and She-Hulk is sexy. Might this alter the Ultimate version of She-Hulk?

And then when she put the card back in her cleavage and we just see the tip of her lingerie... =D!
*Wipes foreign liquid off face.*:?
 
E.Vi.L. said:
This last panel is more an argument in favor of the fact that the Hulk is in control of Banner.


i'm going ot beg to differ only in that hulk isn't eating people or threatening to poop in their skulls...i'm not saying that banner has any level of mastery of the hulk, just that he seems to have gained just a bit of control
 
Doc Comic said:
God, Jen Walters is sexy. That's a stark contrast to 616 Jen, where Jen is lame and She-Hulk is sexy. Might this alter the Ultimate version of She-Hulk?

I knew you were into chicks like Nicole Bass.

selfproclaimed said:
i'm going ot beg to differ only in that hulk isn't eating people or threatening to poop in their skulls...i'm not saying that banner has any level of mastery of the hulk, just that he seems to have gained just a bit of control

I have to agree.
 
DIrishB said:
I knew you were into chicks like Nicole Bass.
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Thanks for killing the thread, Doc Comic. :P

I was listening to the first Marvel podcast, where there is an interview with Lindeloff. It's basically the same stuff we've heard before, except I caught a few hints.

-The 2nd issue will be about where Hulk has gone, from when he was "executed," and to when he is appearing in this series.
-The 3rd/4th issue will feature small cameos of mutants, and I can't remember if these were new ultimizations or ultimized mutants.
 
Did Lindeloff say if the nuke had any effect on Hulk? I still think that explains the Banner/Hulk personality merge and increase in size and strength, not to mention color.
 
Doc Comic said:
Did Lindeloff say if the nuke had any effect on Hulk? I still think that explains the Banner/Hulk personality merge and increase in size and strength, not to mention color.

Probably did,it's funny how stupid *** Fury pretty much made things worse.I'm glad the bastard got his arm ripped off.
 
Picked this up today. LOVED IT. A strong story, the art even better, and on top of that... Wolverine vs. HULK! Too good to be true, really. Guess why this has been put on a bi-monthly schedule... :roll:

There was a lot of good in this issue. In recent issues of Ultimate X-Men, I loved the interaction between Wolverine and Fury the most. Both are forces to be reckoned with... Only, against each other. That kind of dynamic is very cool to have. Lindelof translated that in his writing perfectly. As boring as some may find it, I really liked the dialogue between Fury and Wolverine.

The introduction of She-Hulk is interesting enough, but you have to wonder why. Pym could've fit that role perfectly. Hell, Janet could've, too. Afterall, her medical practice hasn't really been touched on since Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate Six. I think Jen's up to something and we're bound to see She-Hulk by the end of this, I'm sure of it.
 
This was amazing. He wrote each character perfectly. I like how Betty was brought into this. The debut of Jen was good. I loved the opening pages. My thought on the woman thing. Correct me of I'm wrong but wasn't it metioned in Ultimates 2 that last time Banner turned into the Hulk, all he did was sit there and watch TV. So him relaxing there makes sense. He do know that the Hulk is incredibly horny. And MWoF made a comment about it being out of character to allow himself to become the Hulk. In the first arc of the Ultimates, he turned into the Hulk on purpose.
 

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