X-Men Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Revised & Original)

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was reorganizing the marvel multiverse a few weeks ago and this what i have come up with:

MCM Movies & Shorts only sorting out multiverses order

Captain America: The First Avenger
Marvel One-Shot: Agent Carter
Captain Marvel
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Marvel One-Shot: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer
Thor
The Incredible Hulk
Marvel One-Shot: The Consultant
The Avengers
Marvel One-Shot: Item 47
Iron Man 3
Marvel One-Shot: All Hail The King
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Captain America: Civil War
Black Widow
Black Panther
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Doctor Strange
Thor: Ragnarok
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame




(2002 - 2005)
Spider-Man (2002)
Spider-Man 2 (2004)
Spider-Man 3 (2005)


(2003 - 2012) (Rumoured in deadpool 3)?
The Punisher (2003)
The Punisher: Dirty Laundry (2012)


(2004 - 2006) (Rumoured in deadpool 3)?
Daredevil (2004)
Elektra (2006)


(2005 - 2007) (Rumoured in deadpool 3/prime variant of 838 earth?)
Fantastic Four (2005)
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007)


(2013 - 2014)
The Amazing Spider-Man (2013)
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014)


(1962 - 2023/1973 - 2029) (Main Events = 2004 - 2006)
X-Men: First Class (1962)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (1979)
X-Men (2004)
X2 (2004)
X-Men: The Last Stand (2006)
The Wolverine (2013)
X-Men: Days of Future Past (2023/1973)
X-Men: Apocalypse (1983)
X-Men: Dark Phoenix (1992)
Deadpool (2016)
Deadpool: No Good Deed (2017)
Deadpool 2 (2018)

Deadpool & Wolverine (2023) (Before or After Loki S01 or S02?)?

Laura.mov (2026)
The New Mutants (2027)
Logan (2029)

Deadpool & Wolverine (2023) (Before or After Loki S01 or S02?)?


(2018 - 2020)
Spider-Ham: Caught in a Ham (2018)
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018)
The Spider Within - A Spider-Verse Story (2019)
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (2020) (After Multiverse of Madness)
Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse (2020?)


(2003 - 2020/2021...) Main events = (2019 - 2020 atm)
Madame Web (2003)
Venom (2019)
Morbius (2019)
Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2020)

Kraven the Hunter (2021?)
Venom: The Last Dance (2021?)



Eternals
Shang-Chi And The Legend Of The Ten Rings
Peter's To-Do List
Spider-Man: Far from Home

(Multiverse Incursions Begin)

Spider-Man: No Way Home
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Thor: Love and Thunder
Werewolf By Night
The Marvels
The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.3


Captain America: Brave New World
Thunderbolts*
The Fantastic 4
Blade

Laura.mov (2026)?
The New Mutants (2027)?
Logan (2029)?

Avengers 5
Avengers: Secret Wars



P.S. I tried to group the universes together and in rough chronological order of each franchises release (I counted the fox x-men universe as starting around 2003/2004 for the rough majority of the timeline as the 60s and 70s only appears in one film each.) and unless there was a clear crossover event like the venom Let there be carnage post credits scene and No way home.
 
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Zeitschiene said:
The Russian is Blonde tho, so maybe a Variant and not connected to 2004 Punisher?
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My insinuation was that, while it obviously wasn't the same Russian, a variant implied the Kevin Nash version is out there somewhere in the Cinematic multiverse cluster. War Zone and the 2005 game now seem like branches of the Thomas Jane one.
 
selfishmisery said:
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Fair play for that spot.

selfishmisery said:
Kinda sucks that I have to import from Germany to get the extended cut of Thomas Jane's Punisher on Bluray. Apparently some licensing BS only gets the standard version released everywhere else. At least the German release is Region Free and has a cool red case.
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Noted. I might get that myself.
 
just a few loose thoughts regarding the foxverse:

i believe that the fox timelines work differently than the mcu in that travel between branches is possible without creating a new one, whether this is due to the method of time travel being different or if it will even be addressed im not sure about but it seems like earth-10005 must continue to exist after dofp if wade can then travel back to it and create earth- in deadpool 2; personally after deadpool 2 i look at it like this:

original timeline (earth-10005)
- x-men: first class
- x-men: days of future past (original timeline mystique kills trask)
- x-men origins: wolverine
- x-men
- x2
- x-men: the last stand
- the wolverine
- x-men: days of future past (dark future - contains a closed time-loop similar to dr strange fighting dormammu or thanos reversing vision's first death in 199999 where mutants fight sentinels; continues to exist post-dofp)

"revised" timeline (earth-17315)
- x-men: first class
- x-men: days of future past (earth-10005 wolverine's consciousness arrives and stops the assassination of trask)
- x-men: apocalypse
- dark phoenix
- deadpool
- no good deed
- deadpool 2 (entirety of the movie until wade first uses cable's time device; i believe wade's death and cable's subsequent saving of wade are also a closed time-loop like i described above)
- the new mutants (i honestly discount the footage of laura from logan used in this as just b-roll intended to show that this facility was in existence several years pre-logan and it wasn't meant to be literally laura and the other children from logan but after the mess that was releasing that film they just used what they could to connect it to the main films)
- logan

post-deadpool 2 timeline (earth-41633)
- deadpool 2 (deadpool saves vanessa and the rest of x-force)
- once upon a deadpool (fred savage segments)
- deadpool & wolverine (this allows logan to still exist as the bookend to the x-men series without having to interfere with/retcon it later)

cable's future (earth-66250)

wade kills weapon xi (earth-18315)

the gifted (earth-17372, although this could easily fit between the wolverine and dofp in earth-10005)

legion (earth-17040)
 
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another thought, if wade and weapon xi coexist then theoretically so would wade and the wade of the earth where he saves vanessa, maybe
he kills this wade and that's why he and vanessa are no longer together is because she isn't in love with this new wade
 
selfishmisery said:
Kinda sucks that I have to import from Germany to get the extended cut of Thomas Jane's Punisher on Bluray. Apparently some licensing BS only gets the standard version released everywhere else. At least the German release is Region Free and has a cool red case.
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Damn, that sucks
 
selfishmisery said:
Huge speculation for Deadpool 3 incoming
My take from this:
1.) This is Post-Loki.
2.) First part of the movie is Wade adjusting to his new life after saving Vanessa from being killed. He's retired from being an assassin, as you see in the trailer where he's working as tech support at a small company, looking at his old costume in his work locker; longing for his old 'career' back. He has a heart to heart with Vanessa about this and ultimately is talked out of being an assassin again and finally Wade is at peace with himself. On his birthday, the TVA show up to apprehend him as his temporal aura is misplaced - but they also use the opportunity to hire him (his regenerative factor is useful?) as an assassin to do one simple task on the Sacred Timeline - with the promise that he'll be sent home.
3.) The Nexus Event that Deadpool is hired to prevent in the Sacred Timeline involves something in Europe or Asia - perhaps to do with Wolverine. He finds the fake Wolverine in the Casino (seen in the trailer) played by Daniel Radcliffe. His character (an escaped shape-shifting mutant prisoner of the TVA - I guess Kevin Sidney?) isn't supposed to be on the Sacred Timeline and working for an underground group of Mutants in The Void lead by Cassandra Nova Xavier. (More on that shortly.)
4.) Wade eventually kills the poor shape-shifter - but soon discovers that the TVA was never going to send him home and would have pruned him out of necessity after the job was done. By removing this time-displaced Wade from the universe his existence/aura was anchored to, where he undid Vanessa's death and finally lived a happy life, it is revealed that reality is now destroyed due to his removal from that timeline. Meaning, everyone and everything he loved is gone. Erased from existence. (This isn't Earth-17315 - the Logan future - as more is revealed.)
5.) Wade, grief-stricken by this loss, starts killing TVA agents in a fit of fury before he's eventually overpowered and pruned - taken to the Void. There, he discovers a Wolverine variant (Hugh Jackman in his comic suit and all) who is actually from the Sacred Timeline - and wasn't meant to get pruned (due to something that involved Cassandra Nova Xavier as well) but did anyways, creating a domino effect leading to no X-Men on Earth-199999. Wolverine became aware of this during his time in the Void.
6.) The duo team up to look for Cassandra. As it turns out, Wade Wilson was lured out of his timeline by Daniel Radcliffe's character who escaped thanks to Cassandra's extremely powerful interdimensional/telepathic abilities, and TVA wouldn't have apprehended Wade in the first place and would let him live his own happy life on his branch if not for her. Since only one of her existed in a multitude of timelines, Cassandra's goal is to rid all of Xavier's legacy through-out the multiverse as revenge for never having a chance to exist on her branch which was pruned before the events of Loki. (Maybe some implication that Mutants were doomed no matter the timeline - Earth-10005, Earth-17315, Deadpool's timeline post-DoFP, etc even the Sacred Timeline - thanks to her staging some event.)
7.) Eventually Wade and Wolverine kill her and all her Mutant variant lackeys, and...from there, I don't know how to theorize how it goes from here but Deadpool somehow ends up out of the Void and maybe Wolverine dies, I dunno. Anything's possible.
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Thoughts?
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This punk stole my theory ....
 
Basically they used the Dark Phoenix Jean grey 1975 flashback to use as proof for moving the OG trilogy into the mid to late 90s to justify the 15 years line in X-men and X2, tbh I'm still of the opinion that they happen in 2003/2004 and 2006 as a days of future past special feature flat out says that last stand happened in 2006 specifically sooo I'm happy with where we are at this point no need to fix what is as good as it at the moment

Also I'm still confused with how new mutants and Logan connect with deadpool 2 and X-men apocalypse as they all have the Mr sinister references which one would assume means they all have to happen in the same timeline surely but deadpool and wolverine looks like it's going to complicate that *sigh* one day this series will make sense of its timeline
 
Zeitschiene said:


That is interesting, what are your thoughts?
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It is interesting, but the theory depends on X-Men Origins: Wolverine being set in 1979. This is the most probable setting for the film because of the Three Mile Island incident and the Vietnam War proximity. But we can't use real-world dates for a fictional timeline, maybe the incident happened later in this timeline. We don't know how long Wolverine stayed with Team X, maybe he spent a few years with them then we can stretch the timeline to the 80s and fix the 15 years ago line.
 
eloesch289 said:
do you recall if there was a specific mention of a year referencing the events of the first 2 x-men films?
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I'm pretty sure it skipped over the events of X-Men and X2 because they were mostly just contained to mutants vs Mutants not mutants vs humanity in the last stand battle (statue of liberty battle you would think would be on there but as far as I remember it was just last stand's final battle and I think the 1962 First class final showdown between Shaw and Erik and Xavier)
 
FruityWho50 said:
Also I'm still confused with how new mutants and Logan connect with deadpool 2 and X-men apocalypse as they all have the Mr sinister references which one would assume means they all have to happen in the same timeline surely but deadpool and wolverine looks like it's going to complicate that *sigh* one day this series will make sense of its timeline
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It actually reinforces that it is one universe and even notes the Earth-10005 designation.
 
Pro Bot said:
It actually reinforces that it is one universe and even notes the Earth-10005 designation.
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heres what i get from this info:
- earth 10005 is altered by wolverine's consciousness going through time, not him traveling through the quantum realm; had kitty pryde sent the avengers backwards in time then the mcu would have been rewritten in a similar fashion without branching
- cable's time travel device utilizes quantum realm technology, therefore causing a branch with each use
- deadpool 2 must start in an alternate branch, with cable traveling into this branch from his dark future branch, with deadpool 2's ending with him saving vanessa and everyone else happening within 10005 but creating further branches by killing ryan reynolds, his original 10005 counterpart, and hitler
- we can ignore the wiki placing logan in a separate timeline, theoretically as well as the gifted, as long as there are no contradictions within the film
- my biggest concern from what ive read so far about deadpool is that he seems to attempt to join the avengers simply by using cables time device at the start of the film, before any intervention by the tva occurs, unless they're introducing the earth-10005 avengers?
 
Regarding the Wolverine in Deadpool 3 being a variant from a timeline where he let down the X-Men and the public

I like to think that's The Gifted timeline where the X-Men and Brotherhood split up and went into hiding after The Last Stand's events.
Possibly due to Logan not killing Jean when he did previously and she caused MORE destruction.
 

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