Iron Man discussion (Spoilers!)

How would you rate Iron Man?


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Iron Man is waaaaaaaay better than every single Marvel movie done. And for me, better than every DC movie, too.

Now see this the first movie marvel funded directly, so they had more creative control this time and of course with a movie, they are going to bring their A-game, they did haveMillar and bendis look over the script for exmaple. So IM benefitted from less meddling by studio execs.
 
Oh, didn't you hear? Venom is secretly being put into the Iron Man movie for the DVD release!



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*Eye blood vessel pops*

*Mole falls unconscious*






True story. :lol:




That's awesome! :lol:



but seriously I mean movies 1+2 of both even if I like both 3rd movies
 
For a minute there I thought that said "Batman: The Begging."

Which would be an awesome idea for a Batman movie.
 
I'd go:

1. Batman Begins
2. Iron Man
3. Hellboy
4. X2
5. Superman

The Incredibles would top that list if we were saying superhero movies in general rather than just comic book adaptations of superheroes.
 
1. Iron Man
2. Batman Begins

Never liked Superman or Reeves for that matter and I've never been a fan of Tim Burton aside from Big Fish.
 
Iron Man is waaaaaaaay better than every single Marvel movie done. And for me, better than every DC movie, too.

Iron Man was very good, but I can't believe how much people are over-rating it. It was a 2-hour drive from being as good as the first Spider-Man (it was probably better than the other two, though) and an epic, year-long quest from being as good Batman Begins or Superman: The Movie. Iron Man had next to NO heart to it (which of course, was very ironic). It didn't try to be anything more than a manly action film, with the occasional, obligatory 'aw shucks,' love-interest dialogue.

It's so unfair to compare RDJ with Christopher Reeve. All RDJ had to do was say some cool lines and swagger around like a playboy. He's good at that and it worked really well in the movie. But that's the extent of it. We haven't seen him play 'alcoholic Tony' yet. All we've seen is 'happy go lucky playboy' Tony. There really wasn't anything all that difficult for him to do. Christopher Reeve had to make an almost omnipotent character who spoke like a boy scout in a cynical world interesting. Far more of a challenge, if you ask me.

Someone said a few pages ago that Chris Reeve wasn't as good as RDJ because Reeve didn't get the 'action side of Superman' down. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. RDJ didn't do any action at all in this film. CGI Iron Man did. Put Downey in front of a blue screen with a rubber Iron Man suit and basic 1970s special effects and then you've got a fair fight.
 
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Iron Man was very good, but I can't believe how much people are over-rating it. It was a 2-hour drive from being as good as the first Spider-Man (it was probably better than the other two, though) and an epic, year-long quest from being as good Batman Begins or Superman: The Movie. Iron Man had next to NO heart to it (which of course, was very ironic). It didn't try to be anything more than a manly action film, with the occasional, obligatory 'aw shucks,' love-interest dialogue.

It's so unfair to compare RDJ with Christopher Reeve. All RDJ had to do was say some cool lines and swagger around like a playboy. He's good at that and it worked really well in the movie. But that's the extent of it. We haven't seen him play 'alcoholic Tony' yet. All we've seen is 'happy go lucky playboy' Tony. There really wasn't anything all that difficult for him to do. Christopher Reeve had to make an almost omnipotent character who spoke like a boy scout in a cynical world interesting. Far more of a challenge, if you ask me.

Someone said a few pages ago that Chris Reeve wasn't as good as RDJ because Reeve didn't get the 'action side of Superman' down. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. RDJ didn't do any action at all in this film. CGI Iron Man did. Put Downey in front of a blue screen with a rubber Iron Man suit and basic 1970s special effects and then you've got a fair fight.

AS far as acting goes, I think it's a level playing field with Downey way ahead of Reeves on the field. Downey had to play an extravangant, self absorbed genius, playboy turned extravagant, self-aware and humane genius playboy trying to do what he can to make things right. Reeves plays, to the very core, a one dimensional super-hero with a one-dimensional personality out to save the world with no other reason than it being his will and responsibilty.

They each played their respective characters to their respective time periods very well. Nowadays, Superman is much more than just trying to save the world, but back then, it didn't seem like there was much to him. Reeves brings a little more personality but nothing more than was required of him.

Then you have to think of the time period again in that Superman, as for other superhero movies, has had how many years to win your heart and become a classic? Iron Man just came out and has already made a huge impact. Why hasn't the same been said of the X-Men films or the Spiderman films?

On top of that, everyone and their mom knows about Superman and his origins and Clark Kent and Lois Lane. The same can be said for Spiderman and The Hulk but I doubt everyone knows about Iron Man. You can do a Superman movie without having an origin story because of so many things. Mainly the fact that there have been various tv shows over the decades from the old Superman cartoons and show starring the tragic George Reeves to the Adventures of Lois and Clark all the way to Smallville; different generations all hearing the same story. Iron Man didn't have any of that aside from a short lived cartoon that aired at 6am every Saturday morning.

Iron Man achieved alot more in the movie than just smashing the box office. It told the the origin and told it well. It showed the transition from Tony Stark the industrialist to Tony Stark the humanist. Best of all, it showed the birth of Iron Man and rocked it like a hurricane.

Besides, it's not like you could have a guy in a metal suit hanging by strings (like Superman) and make it work. Cgi was almost more than necessary to pull it off.
 
AS far as acting goes, I think it's a level playing field with Downey way ahead of Reeves on the field. Downey had to play an extravangant, self absorbed genius, playboy turned extravagant, self-aware and humane genius playboy trying to do what he can to make things right. Reeves plays, to the very core, a one dimensional super-hero with a one-dimensional personality out to save the world with no other reason than it being his will and responsibilty.

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I don't know what movie you're talking about, but I know it can't be Superman: The Movie, and I'm POSITIVE it can't be the extended edition of that.

Then you have to think of the time period again in that Superman, as for other superhero movies, has had how many years to win your heart and become a classic? Iron Man just came out and has already made a huge impact. Why hasn't the same been said of the X-Men films or the Spiderman films?

First of all, this is ridiculous. I loved Superman: The Movie the first time I saw it, as did half the world. It was number one at the box office for twelve straight weeks when it came out, for pete's sake! The impact it made was staggering, leagues ahead of Iron Man. IM may have revitalized a kind-of-stalling film genre, but S:TM invented that film genre in the first place.

And I don't know what it is about this site and the Spider-Man films, but are you kidding me? X-Men got a ton of credit and pretty much kicked off the new and most successful era of superhero movies ever, and Spider-Man was the definition of instant classic pop-culture wise, referenced and quoted and parodied and revered ever since. I still see merchandise and photos from that film everywhere. I really think you're overestimating Iron Man's impact.

On top of that, everyone and their mom knows about Superman and his origins and Clark Kent and Lois Lane. The same can be said for Spiderman and The Hulk but I doubt everyone knows about Iron Man. You can do a Superman movie without having an origin story because of so many things. Mainly the fact that there have been various tv shows over the decades from the old Superman cartoons and show starring the tragic George Reeves to the Adventures of Lois and Clark all the way to Smallville; different generations all hearing the same story. Iron Man didn't have any of that aside from a short lived cartoon that aired at 6am every Saturday morning.

Iron Man achieved alot more in the movie than just smashing the box office. It told the the origin and told it well. It showed the transition from Tony Stark the industrialist to Tony Stark the humanist. Best of all, it showed the birth of Iron Man and rocked it like a hurricane.

And nobody's arguing that. Everybody here, Gothamite and I included, love the movie, but it doesn't somehow prove it's a better or more impactual film than S:TM or that RDj trumped Reeve.

Besides, it's not like you could have a guy in a metal suit hanging by strings (like Superman) and make it work. Cgi was almost more than necessary to pull it off.

This is not what Gothamite was saying.

DSF said Downey beat Reeve because Reeve didn't sell him on the "action side" of Superman, which Gothamite pointed out was extremely unfair because Downey has almost no screen time during Iron Man's action scenes. CGI or not, it's a metal suit. Not an actor.
 
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I don't know what movie you're talking about, but I know it can't be Superman: The Movie, and I'm POSITIVE it can't be the extended edition of that.



First of all, this is ridiculous. I loved Superman: The Movie the first time I saw it, as did half the world. It was number one at the box office for twelve straight weeks when it came out, for pete's sake! The impact it made was staggering, leagues ahead of Iron Man. IM may have revitalized a kind-of-stalling film genre, but S:TM invented that film genre in the first place.

And what do you think attributed to it's impact and success? Because, like the comic, it was first and tried to do as much as it could to be at the comics' standards and expectations, but on the movie platform. So just like the comic, it did it all first and it did it all right. And because of that, it's fans almost hold a bias in comparing the latest film to Superman. Iron Man isn't anything new, but just like Superman, it did everything right and that hasn't been done since Superman (arguably with Spiderman as well, but Iron Man is a fresh character for many).

And I don't know what it is about this site and the Spider-Man films, but are you kidding me? X-Men got a ton of credit and pretty much kicked off the new and most successful era of superhero movies ever, and Spider-Man was the definition of instant classic pop-culture wise, referenced and quoted and parodied and revered ever since. I still see merchandise and photos from that film everywhere. I really think you're overestimating Iron Man's impact.

X-men was good but you hardly get any character development. You get Wolverin, Wolverine.....um Wolverine, a little bit of Jean Grey and a smidgeon of Xavier and Magneto. Oh and a really bad Rogue origin. Then you have actors saying they won't do a sequel unless they get more screen time, so what do they do? They kill off Cyclops, then Xavier, so that Halle berry gets more screen time because face it, they were the only ones other than Jackman that were taking away significant screen time from her. I'll only give the movie credit for kicking off summer superhero blockbuster events to rake in big cash. Spiderman had a really good origins as well, but again everyone knows it. Also, I enjoyed Spiderman. When you think about it (past and present), he's emo to the core so he's justified in SM3.

And I don't think I am overestimating IM's impact. That goes back to the point I had with these movies having significant time to settle in our minds and DVD ensembles. These products have all had time to grow and have now been reduced to quick-buck marketing schemes since Spiderman, X-Men and Superman have become big movie franchises. Also note the fact they've all become subject to trilogies making them even more sellable. That may answer why you see so many Spiderman figures and toys.



And nobody's arguing that. Everybody here, Gothamite and I included, love the movie, but it doesn't somehow prove it's a better or more impactual film than S:TM or that RDj trumped Reeve.

Well then let's agree that this is just subject to favoritism, shall we?



This is not what Gothamite was saying.

DSF said Downey beat Reeve because Reeve didn't sell him on the "action side" of Superman, which Gothamite pointed out was extremely unfair because Downey has almost no screen time during Iron Man's actin scenes. CGI or not, it's a metal suit. Not an actor.

I suppose but he more than makes up for it during the scenes which are applicable i.e. the creation of Iron Man. The guy is a builder and arguably, a renaissance man in that he can do more than one thing at a time and still get his party on(and all in movie) whereas you have Superman saving Lois and calling it a day. Which just begs the question, does the guy even need to sleep?

To sum it up, Iron Man is a breathe of fresh air. He's doing old things, he's doing awesome things and the movie is doing new things like actually setting up an interconnecting storyline.
 
I would say Superman I is good for its time, Superman II is the better film though.

The problem is the villain is weak, Pre crisis Luthor was never really a good character and he is the villain here. He is more comic relief than anything else and nothing takes the sales out of a story then a weak villain.

I think Superman I is good for its time, but its harder to compete with modern super hero films.
 

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