Fantastic Four #554-569 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

I didn't read the story, it's pretty obscure. But if you look hard enough on wikipedia you can find a summary

basically it's an alternate earth that Doom was banished to for awhile, eventually he became the ruler there, and this counter-earth was more or less similar regular earth except for team rosters, at the time The Hulk was Professor Hulk in 616, as was he on counter-earth, I think he was on that earth's Fantastic Four

eventually Doom escaped (naturally), and I imagagine the New Defenders are people from counter-earth trying to get vengeance or something

The only thing that irks me about them letting him call them the New Defenders, is all the while I have been reading the mini "The Last Defenders" and it feels a little upsetting.

Oh, and about Last Defenders... don't. It's okay, but unless you are a die-hard defenders fan, don't.
 
Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

The only thing that irks me about them letting him call them the New Defenders, is all the while I have been reading the mini "The Last Defenders" and it feels a little upsetting.

Oh, and about Last Defenders... don't. It's okay, but unless you are a die-hard defenders fan, don't.

I also read that

it was o.k. nothing special, I liked the art though

but Daiman Hellstorm in a Super-Suit....:sick:
 
Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

I also read that

it was o.k. nothing special, I liked the art though

but Daiman Hellstorm in a Super-Suit....:sick:

Yeah, but Blazing Skull was the man. Favorite part of that book hands down. I just hope they do something with that team now and don't just have them dangle there.
 
Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

Yeah, but Blazing Skull was the man. Favorite part of that book hands down. I just hope they do something with that team now and don't just have them dangle there.

It's a shame Blazing Skull was only in what the first issue? he was great.

I'd be real interested to see some further exploits of that team, as long as Hellstorm ditches the spandex and doofy helmet. and maybe if they expanded the team roster a bit.

also was the New Nighthawk supposed to be the analogue to the Silver Surfer? if not why not get someone like Terrax or something.
 
Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

Upcoming cover by Hitch:


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Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

So we get the big reveal of who The New Defenders are and what they want.

I'm not that impressed.
 
Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

Mark Millar: Killing the Invisible Woman



Mark Millar has been on a roll for quite a while now: he's had a successful company-wide event in Civil War; he's had a successful multi-year run on the Ultimates; he's having several of his creator-owned properties optioned for film—with Wanted set for a DVD release in the near future and Kick-*** being filmed at present. Of course, he's happy—he's also writing a story in Wolverine with Steve McNiven and he's the writer of Marvel's first family, the Fantastic Four, drawn by Bryan Hitch.

Currently, the final installment of 'The Death of the Invisible Woman' is only a few hours away—and beyond that it seems the winds of change are going to be changing quite a bit of the status quo in the Fantastic Four.

Newsarama contacted Millar to talk about upcoming events in the Fantastic Four and how plot threads from "Old Man Logan" in Wolverine and his current mini-series 1985 have ties to the advent of the upcoming "Masters of Doom" storyline.
 
Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

So the last issue of the arc was a bit anticlimatic. We already presumed The Hooded Man was Wolverine, we just didn't know why. We don't get an answer either. I guess he survives Old Man Logan then.

We also already knew Sue from the future would die. Doom kills her while everyone watches. And all the people from the future end up living on the Nu-World.

Galactus has been drained of energy and is now a giant corpse. This must have ramifications.

I'm hoping Masters of Doom will be a better storyline than this one was.
 
Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

So the last issue of the arc was a bit anticlimatic. We already presumed The Hooded Man was Wolverine, we just didn't know why. We don't get an answer either. I guess he survives Old Man Logan then.

We also already knew Sue from the future would die. Doom kills her while everyone watches. And all the people from the future end up living on the Nu-World.

Galactus has been drained of energy and is now a giant corpse. This must have ramifications.

I'm hoping Masters of Doom will be a better storyline than this one was.

:shock:
 
Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

Considering Galactus is needed in the universe, I'm sure he'll get his power back.

What did the Surfer do? Sit there and let it happen?
 
Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

Opinion question:

So far, what do you guys think is better: Millar's current Fantastic Four run (#s 554-570) or his solo Ultimate Fantastic Four run (#s 21-32)? I've only read bits and pieces of each, but I was just wondering what you guys thought.
 
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I have to say, I thought the arc was rubbish. Having your big bad show up and defeat Galactus off-screen is such a shallow way of making them appear tough. It's ****ing top trumps. And you know what? He did that trick twice in the same arc. How does the arc start? Doctor DOOM shows up going, "Guys. My *** hurts because these NEW villains are so bad-*** they've kicked my *** so much it hurts." And if THAT wasn't enough, (THEY BEAT DOOM! How often does THAT happen... this week?) they then beat GALACTUS. Then... they turn out to be superheroes from the future led by Wolverine and Sue Storm and didn't really want a fight and are quite happy to go somewhere else if that's okay with you.

If your villain is so wussy that you have to give them gratuitous victories as they trump previous benchmarks of villainy, you're villain needs a root canal. (Look at Heroes and Arthur Petrelli and Adam Munroe... geez.)

Sue Storm dying was predictable. I've not been keeping up with the hype, but when she went up to Doom it was so obvious what was going to happen. What's more, the time-travel thing doesn't work.

Right. If Reed can inject Sue with a compound so he can track the future Sue (this is smart), why doesn't Future Sue remember being injected? Why doesn't she know Doom will kill her and this is how it will end? Why do Millar's rules of time travel in this issue kinda work when he wants them to? It's just not been thought out properly.

Like the Logan reveal. We already had the whole "one of the future's big bads is from the present!" with Sue Storm. Logan's reveal is just tacked on. It has no relevance to the story, save for making it 'tie-in' with Millar's crossover. Also, Logan's reveal was rubbish. He just decided to out himself and use his claws. Why didn't he do this earlier? It wasn't dramatic then. (And it wasn't dramatic when he did, either.) This whole thing was stupid. And Galactus died. Ugh. What a rubbish thing to do. It's a crappy death for the character, and that's why it'll be retconned (making this pointless).

That said - I did not see the Nu-World thing coming. Maybe because I'm only half-reading this title, but I'm going to give Hitllar the benefit of the doubt and say that it was well plotted and well thought out. Giving the future billions Nu-World was a smart resolution to the story, and actually made me smile. Good idea, well executed. Well done, guys.

Opinion question:

So far, what do you guys think is better: Millar's current Fantastic Four run (#s 554-570) or his solo Ultimate Fantastic Four run (#s 21-32)? I've only read bits and pieces of each, but I was just wondering what you guys thought.

Both as stupid as the other.

Millar is so intent on filling the F4 with 'crazy, sci-fi' ideas that he isn't actually developing any, and they come off as shallow, sometimes idiotic, cliches.

As I say, the only original thing was Nu-World (you could argue it's from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, but it's used very differently here, thus making it somewhat original) and it was introduced in his first issue and wasn't paid off until the climax of the second arc. Because for some reason, the first arc (which was all about Nu-World) descended into a rubbish fight against a big robot Captain America. See what I mean? One good idea, takes back seat to idiotic time-travelling robots.
 
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Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

Opinion question:

So far, what do you guys think is better: Millar's current Fantastic Four run (#s 554-570) or his solo Ultimate Fantastic Four run (#s 21-32)? I've only read bits and pieces of each, but I was just wondering what you guys thought.

At the moment, I prefer Ultimate Fantastic Four because it seemed a lot more planned out and it all came together at the end. Plus it introduced the Marvel Zombies, which were actually quite terrifying back then.

Fantastic Four seems quite disjointed at the moment, especially the latest arc. I'm not sure if this is because Millar is trying to fit it into his "it's a crossover but it's not" plan, but if it is, then I'd rather he didn't. There are lots of ideas being brought up, but the execution is kind of poor. Hopefully it will improve in the next arc and actually come together in the end.

Also, the latest issue sort of revealed the ending to Old Man Logan, didn't it?
Logan survives his quest, ends up with the baby Hulk (presumably he kills the Hulk family in retaliation for them killing their family and takes their son) and then ending up in the future (Reed and Sue were mentioned to be time travelling).
 
Re: Fantastic Four #554-570 (Millar/Hitch) discussion (Spoilers!)

I think I am enjoying this run more than UFF. Maybe. I'd have to really think about it.

But I did enjoy the issue, though, as Proj. put it -- it was anticlimactic. I definitely would not have named the arc "The Death of the Invisible Woman." A title like that makes you think the arc will revolve around that, which it didn't. It's what we got at the end, something we expected, and made the ending not as enjoyable as it should have been.
 

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