Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Discussion (SPOILERS)

[moonmaster]

This also might have been the result of gas fights with his friends.

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[Gemini]

This also might have been the result of gas fights with his friends.

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Someone needs to dub that with the Transformers theme

 

[ProjectX2]

I thought the Transformers converted fuel sources into Energon... wait a second... they are responsible for the oil shortages!

As for that kid... he's going to need a villain.

*starts drinking crude oil*

 

[Langsta]

Haha, what the hell?



I would think that drinking gasoline for five years would cause you to, you know, die, but hey, I guess it doesn't.

I don't think they considered that he might've just been trying to win a free tank of gas.

What a *******.

Sounds like the kid needs intervention.

This also might have been the result of gas fights with his friends.

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:lol::lol:

 

[bluebeast]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....breaths....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. I love the news.

 

[Grocer Man]

As far as I know, they've been using oil a drinks (at they mention it in passing) since Beast Wars.

In the stupid new show that just got cancelled, the Constructicons would frequently drink crude oil, as if it were coffee

That show is good and no one can tell me different.

 

[E]

That show is good and no one can tell me different.

I love it.

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

This movie was terrible on a level that consistently made me want to yell at the screen for it being flat and emotionless, and pointless, and plotless, and unexciting, and just generally ****ing stupid and insane...

Like, if the racist caricature twinbots weren't bad enough (and daaaamn, they were about ten times worse than I expected after hearing the initial uproar), whenever the characters actually started talking to each other I became more and more convinced that Bay let a horny 14 year old boy write a movie about sex and robots....

I couldn't stop laughing during the college bits... For those of you still in HS, let me warn you, Michael Bay's college of immediate sexy dance parties in frat houses that seem to be professionally lit with dancing models is a lie.... And holy ****ing god, the only human looking female in the movie is Shia's mom, who is therefore portrayed as an inept and stupid woman because lulz wwy not???

There are no redeeming factors to this movie. You see the ending coming after the first third and then you have to wait it out.

Seeing this was the first time I have been tempted to walk out of a movie theater that I have paid my own good money to sit in... The fact that I paid for this garbage let me rationalize sitting through it...

I simply cannot see what ANYONE sees in this film. The only cool thing is Optimus' voice, and its the same guy that's been doing it for decades, so that hardly counts.

EDIT: And I would just like to point out that this is coming from a guy who loves Will Smith movies, particularly Independence Day... Hell, I even loved Armageddon. I am not saying that something can't be stupid and amazing all at once... Seeing Snakes on a Plane was my most fun movie experience maybe ever... But there comes a point where the stupid piles up and up and up on top of the awful dialogue and the paper-thin characters and the film just collapses... This happened to me within the first half-hour of the movie.

Can I just ask a question? I mean, I love action movie heroes, even ones that are mostly just shells of characters... But what does ANYBODY see in Sam Witwicky? He seems to bumble through the entire film by luck, no intelligence of his own, and without any real personality... The whole inability to say "Love" thing, aside from being the most cliche bull**** thing they could have pulled (although, I suppose, there's not really any other direction to take this relationship), adds nothing whatsoever to him...

All the character is is "apparently geeky weirdo with hot girlfriend + robots". They Actually had to turn him into a plot device because there's nothing else interesting about the character to explore.

Does anybody really think the Transformers movies are going to level up to the Blockbuster Summer Movies of the past? These are terrible, terrible movies... Well, the first was mediocre and fun, but this was just painful to watch.

I'll watch Catwoman before I see this again. Twice.

 

[Doublehex]

This movie was terrible on a level that consistently made me want to yell at the screen for it being flat and emotionless, and pointless, and plotless, and unexciting, and just generally ****ing stupid and insane...

Like, if the racist caricature twinbots weren't bad enough (and daaaamn, they were about ten times worse than I expected after hearing the initial uproar), whenever the characters actually started talking to each other I became more and more convinced that Bay let a horny 14 year old boy write a movie about sex and robots....

I couldn't stop laughing during the college bits... For those of you still in HS, let me warn you, Michael Bay's college of immediate sexy dance parties in frat houses that seem to be professionally lit with dancing models is a lie.... And holy ****ing god, the only human looking female in the movie is Shia's mom, who is therefore portrayed as an inept and stupid woman because lulz wwy not???

There are no redeeming factors to this movie. You see the ending coming after the first third and then you have to wait it out.

Seeing this was the first time I have been tempted to walk out of a movie theater that I have paid my own good money to sit in... The fact that I paid for this garbage let me rationalize sitting through it...

I simply cannot see what ANYONE sees in this film. The only cool thing is Optimus' voice, and its the same guy that's been doing it for decades, so that hardly counts.

EDIT: And I would just like to point out that this is coming from a guy who loves Will Smith movies, particularly Independence Day... Hell, I even loved Armageddon. I am not saying that something can't be stupid and amazing all at once... Seeing Snakes on a Plane was my most fun movie experience maybe ever... But there comes a point where the stupid piles up and up and up on top of the awful dialogue and the paper-thin characters and the film just collapses... This happened to me within the first half-hour of the movie.

Can I just ask a question? I mean, I love action movie heroes, even ones that are mostly just shells of characters... But what does ANYBODY see in Sam Witwicky? He seems to bumble through the entire film by luck, no intelligence of his own, and without any real personality... The whole inability to say "Love" thing, aside from being the most cliche bull**** thing they could have pulled (although, I suppose, there's not really any other direction to take this relationship), adds nothing whatsoever to him...

All the character is is "apparently geeky weirdo with hot girlfriend + robots". They Actually had to turn him into a plot device because there's nothing else interesting about the character to explore.

Does anybody really think the Transformers movies are going to level up to the Blockbuster Summer Movies of the past? These are terrible, terrible movies... Well, the first was mediocre and fun, but this was just painful to watch.

I'll watch Catwoman before I see this again. Twice.

You and Ebert would get along great.

 

[E]

This movie was terrible on a level that consistently made me want to yell at the screen for it being flat and emotionless, and pointless, and plotless, and unexciting, and just generally ****ing stupid and insane...

Like, if the racist caricature twinbots weren't bad enough (and daaaamn, they were about ten times worse than I expected after hearing the initial uproar), whenever the characters actually started talking to each other I became more and more convinced that Bay let a horny 14 year old boy write a movie about sex and robots....

I couldn't stop laughing during the college bits... For those of you still in HS, let me warn you, Michael Bay's college of immediate sexy dance parties in frat houses that seem to be professionally lit with dancing models is a lie.... And holy ****ing god, the only human looking female in the movie is Shia's mom, who is therefore portrayed as an inept and stupid woman because lulz wwy not???

There are no redeeming factors to this movie. You see the ending coming after the first third and then you have to wait it out.

Seeing this was the first time I have been tempted to walk out of a movie theater that I have paid my own good money to sit in... The fact that I paid for this garbage let me rationalize sitting through it...

I simply cannot see what ANYONE sees in this film. The only cool thing is Optimus' voice, and its the same guy that's been doing it for decades, so that hardly counts.

EDIT: And I would just like to point out that this is coming from a guy who loves Will Smith movies, particularly Independence Day... Hell, I even loved Armageddon. I am not saying that something can't be stupid and amazing all at once... Seeing Snakes on a Plane was my most fun movie experience maybe ever... But there comes a point where the stupid piles up and up and up on top of the awful dialogue and the paper-thin characters and the film just collapses... This happened to me within the first half-hour of the movie.

Can I just ask a question? I mean, I love action movie heroes, even ones that are mostly just shells of characters... But what does ANYBODY see in Sam Witwicky? He seems to bumble through the entire film by luck, no intelligence of his own, and without any real personality... The whole inability to say "Love" thing, aside from being the most cliche bull**** thing they could have pulled (although, I suppose, there's not really any other direction to take this relationship), adds nothing whatsoever to him...

All the character is is "apparently geeky weirdo with hot girlfriend + robots". They Actually had to turn him into a plot device because there's nothing else interesting about the character to explore.

Does anybody really think the Transformers movies are going to level up to the Blockbuster Summer Movies of the past? These are terrible, terrible movies... Well, the first was mediocre and fun, but this was just painful to watch.

I'll watch Catwoman before I see this again. Twice.

No disrespect at all intended, but I cannot fathom putting that much thought into this movie.

 

[Planet-man]

I completely agree with DSF in every aspect except for it not letting me enjoy the movie, which I did, simply because it was fun to look at, fun to experience, and even then only enough for one intentional viewing.

 

[moonmaster]

I'm still quite glad I didn't bother to see this in the theater.

 

[Grocer Man]

I completely agree with DSF in every aspect except for it not letting me enjoy the movie, which I did, simply because it was fun to look at, fun to experience, and even then only enough for one intentional viewing.

Same here. It's just a stupid popcorn flick with the Transformers in it.

If there is a negative aspect to this film, it is this: these films are becoming the iconic depiction of the Transformers in popular culture. Even though there have been Transformers stories that have been a thousand times better.

*tearily salutes a Dinobot action figure*

 

[E]

*tearily salutes a Dinobot action figure*

Huh?

How is anything in this film any stupider than the very concept of Dinobots?

Do people think the original Transformers shows were written by Shakespeare or something? Are your memories that bad?

 

[Planet-man]

Huh?

How is anything in this film any stupider than the very concept of Dinobots?

Do people think the original Transformers shows were written by Shakespeare or something? Are your memories that bad?

I think he means Dinobot, the individual, from Beast Wars.

And he's absolutely right. Terrific character by any measure. More character development in any two episodes than all the combined characters in this series. Heck, he quoted Shakespeare a few times. Amazing show. I rewatched it just after the first Transformers movie came out and it's still one of the very best animated series ever.

 

[Random]

I think he means Dinobot, the individual, from Beast Wars.

And he's absolutely right. Terrific character by any measure. More character development in any two episodes than all the combined characters in this series. Heck, he quoted Shakespeare a few times. Amazing show. I rewatched it just after the first Transformers movie came out and it's still one of the very best animated series ever.

Definitely. I wished the movie was up to that caliber, but I don't mind stupid fun.

 

[Grocer Man]

Huh?

How is anything in this film any stupider than the very concept of Dinobots?

Do people think the original Transformers shows were written by Shakespeare or something? Are your memories that bad?

I've never been that big a fan of G1, if that's what you're refering to.

As for Dinobot...I suggest you go watch the Beast Wars episodes "Maximal No More" and "Code Of Hero." If nothing else, you'll learn why Dinobot (just barely related to the G1 Dinobots) is such a better character then anyone in these films.

 

[E]

I've never been that big a fan of G1, if that's what you're refering to.

As for Dinobot...I suggest you go watch the Beast Wars episodes "Maximal No More" and "Code Of Hero." If nothing else, you'll learn why Dinobot (just barely related to the G1 Dinobots) is such a better character then anyone in these films.

I'm talking about the concept of a Dinobot or Dinobots. I've seen a few Beast Wars episodes because my son loves them and they are good. But I'm not talking about the quality of that show or the quality of his character or his character development. I'm just talking about the idea of a big mechanical dinosaur that transforms into a robot.

 

[The Overlord]

I'm talking about the concept of a Dinobot or Dinobots. I've seen a few Beast Wars episodes because my son loves them and they are good. But I'm not talking about the quality of that show or the quality of his character or his character development. I'm just talking about the idea of a big mechanical dinosaur that transforms into a robot.

But any sci fi concept can be seen as silly when you think about it, a guy who gets powers from a radioactive spider or a guy who dresses up like a bat and fights crime, can be seen as silly.

Saying a concept is fundamentally silly doesn't wash with me, its all about the execution, a brilliant execution can make a silly concept work.

 

[Random]

I'm talking about the concept of a Dinobot or Dinobots. I've seen a few Beast Wars episodes because my son loves them and they are good. But I'm not talking about the quality of that show or the quality of his character or his character development. I'm just talking about the idea of a big mechanical dinosaur that transforms into a robot.

It makes sense in Beast Wars context due to it's own theme

 

[Ultimate Houde]

I'm talking about the concept of a Dinobot or Dinobots. I've seen a few Beast Wars episodes because my son loves them and they are good. But I'm not talking about the quality of that show or the quality of his character or his character development. I'm just talking about the idea of a big mechanical dinosaur that transforms into a robot.

In the original show, the Ark awoke those Autobots to protect it during prehistoric times. The only things around to scan were dinosaurs.

I admit, it was nothing more than a marketing scheme to cash in on dinosaurs and robots, but that was the explanation storywise.

 

[Grocer Man]

In the original show, the Ark awoke those Autobots to protect it during prehistoric times. The only things around to scan were dinosaurs.

I admit, it was nothing more than a marketing scheme to cash in on dinosaurs and robots, but that was the explanation storywise.

Beast Wars used a similar concept, though they used animals other then dinosaurs.

If it makes you feel any better E, I remember reading that one of the writers for this said he wasn't too interested in having the Dinobots appear, just because he doesn't like dinosaurs that much and he thinks they'd be an odd fit story wise.

He might have changed his mind, though.

 

[Planet-man]

But any sci fi concept can be seen as silly when you think about it, a guy who gets powers from a radioactive spider or a guy who dresses up like a bat and fights crime, can be seen as silly.

Saying a concept is fundamentally silly doesn't wash with me, its all about the execution, a brilliant execution can make a silly concept work.

It makes sense in Beast Wars context due to it's own theme

Exactly.

And E, as a Transformers fan you should definitely try going through Beast Wars proper some time. It's hands-down the best Transformers series out there.

 

[E]

It makes sense in Beast Wars context due to it's own theme

In the original show, the Ark awoke those Autobots to protect it during prehistoric times. The only things around to scan were dinosaurs.

I admit, it was nothing more than a marketing scheme to cash in on dinosaurs and robots, but that was the explanation storywise.

Beast Wars used a similar concept, though they used animals other then dinosaurs.

If it makes you feel any better E, I remember reading that one of the writers for this said he wasn't too interested in having the Dinobots appear, just because he doesn't like dinosaurs that much and he thinks they'd be an odd fit story wise.

He might have changed his mind, though.

Exactly.

And E, as a Transformers fan you should definitely try going through Beast Wars proper some time. It's hands-down the best Transformers series out there.

Guys, you're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that Dinobot doesn't make sense within the context of the show. Heck, I'm not even saying I don't like them - Sludge was my most prized possession when I was a kid.

All I'm saying is that it's kind of dumb to complain about the ridiculousness of the Transformers movie and all of the immature parts then turn around and suggest using a Dinobot, as if that would somehow dignify the whole thing.

The whole concept of Transformers is goofy; how can you expect a movie about it not to be?

And yes, PM - I have the entire Beast Wars (and Beast Machines) series queued up and ready for me whenever I get a chance to watch them. I've liked what I've seen so far, which has been minimal, but these came out quite a bit after my time.

 

[Random]

And yes, PM - I have the entire Beast Wars (and Beast Machines) series queued up and ready for me whenever I get a chance to watch them. I've liked what I've seen so far, which has been minimal, but these came out quite a bit after my time.

Whoa, beware Beast Machines. It really is pretty bad

 

[E]

Whoa, beware Beast Machines. It really is pretty bad

Hmm. OK.

I've got some other series as well, but skipping through them they seemed kind of crappy too. I don't remember all of them - Energon, Armada, and some others I think.

 

[Planet-man]

I think Grocer's Man's initial point wasn't that the concepts of Dinobot or Beast Wars are smarter than the new Transformers movie. It's that their stories and characterization are much less shallow, and it's disappointing that that stuff is fairly obscure now while the "things blow up, a lot, the rest is disposable" factor is what the 'verse is becoming known for because that's what they picked for the films.

 

[Langsta]

I'm just talking about the idea of a big mechanical dinosaur that transforms into a robot.

You mean a robot that transforms into a dinosaur?

In the original show, the Ark awoke those Autobots to protect it during prehistoric times. The only things around to scan were dinosaurs.

Why do you need to disguise yourself from dinosaurs?

 

[SSJmole]

How is anything in this film any stupider than the very concept of Dinobots?

The concept of dinobots works well though. The changing in to giant dinosaurs not that hard to imagine considering we had Scorponok and he was just a giant robot scorpion that transformed.

Also given the content in the movies and combining that with other transformers elements e.g the origin in the new Transformers animated. We have robot dinosaurs on earth as universal studio uses them for rides, They were used in Jurassic park. Is the idea that the all-spark or something like that would turn those robots in to transformers?

However stuff like the decepticon disguised as a real girl and felt real ect... is a stupider concept for these. Why?

1st) The transformers don't know too much about our world. To the point of trying to shoot the dog. It's too hard to imagine they got our mannerisms down to the point of perfectly blending into a collage.

2nd) We had not been lead to believe the human skin reproductive capabilities existed at all period. Yet we see it work to such a convincing degree here?

The characters Mudflap and Skids were too comic relief that their concepts do not work. They are from a world destroyed by war. Yes they can make some jokes but their very concept undermines the seriousness or the war.

That's just to name 2.

So while the concept of transforming dinosaurs maybe silly it would make more sense than a lot of thing that were in the second film E.

Why do you need to disguise yourself from dinosaurs?

Why do need to disguise yourself as giant scorpion or an alien looking ship or alien looking tank? You don't. But it's a war so some disguises like that are understandable as they are too attack the other transformation states.

E.g A T-rex could attack say Bumble bee or Sideways

 

[Iceshadow]

Whoa, beware Beast Machines. It really is pretty bad

Srsly.