Daredevil series discussion (spoilers)

captaincanuck65 said:
nah, a new number 1 isn't going to cut it this time. They need something fresh and new...I think they're going to need a new number 1 with variants! lots of variants! villain variants, sketch variants, young guns variants, blank variants, dead pool variants, foilogram variants, the possibilities are endless!
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!!!!!!! YOU SHOULD BE WORKING FOR MARVEL!

E said:
Coming into his run, yes. Since it started, not so much I don't think.
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Hm. You don't think he started off strong?
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
It's all going to come down to Matt walking away because he took this role as the overly violent enforcer and then coming to terms that he's not a bad guy and getting back in the ring. A lot of comparisons to his father and Matt Murdock Daredevil goes on.
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How many redemption stories has DD had at this point, its getting so tedious.
 
The Overlord said:
Still if Murdock has completely disgraced the ideals of justice he used stand for, by illegally imprisoning people and denying them their constitutional rights, how can he continue as DD? You have to fix the damage to the character first, before he can take up the mantle. Also none of this fixes the reason why I don't read DD anymore, the book has just gotten depressing.
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Honestly, I think it's just a more blatant exploitation of a hypocrisy that's at the heart of the character but has never been addressed. He's a vigilante by night and a defense attorney by day. One of these philosophies sort of fundamentally contradicts the other, dontchathink? Don't get me wrong. It's something that I'd like to see addressed, but it's a hypocrisy that's been at the core of the character since the start.
 
The Overlord said:
Still if Murdock has completely disgraced the ideals of justice he used stand for, by illegally imprisoning people and denying them their constitutional rights, how can he continue as DD? You have to fix the damage to the character first, before he can take up the mantle. Also none of this fixes the reason why I don't read DD anymore, the book has just gotten depressing.

It seems like every five years some villain destroys DD life, its a cliche at this point and it makes DD a drag to read. DD's life never goes anymore, it just destroyed so he can rebuild it, so it can get destroyed again. If I wanted to be depressed I would watch the news, not read comics.
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Man...that was depressing.

Zombipanda said:
Honestly, I think it's just a more blatant exploitation of a hypocrisy that's at the heart of the character but has never been addressed. He's a vigilante by night and a defense attorney by day. One of these philosophies sort of fundamentally contradicts the other, dontchathink? Don't get me wrong. It's something that I'd like to see addressed, but it's a hypocrisy that's been at the core of the character since the start.
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Or one hell of a one-man social experiment.
 
The Overlord said:
Still if Murdock has completely disgraced the ideals of justice he used stand for, by illegally imprisoning people and denying them their constitutional rights, how can he continue as DD? You have to fix the damage to the character first, before he can take up the mantle. Also none of this fixes the reason why I don't read DD anymore, the book has just gotten depressing.

It seems like every five years some villain destroys DD life, its a cliche at this point and it makes DD a drag to read. DD's life never goes anymore, it just destroyed so he can rebuild it, so it can get destroyed again. If I wanted to be depressed I would watch the news, not read comics.
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You know he is possessed right? All will be forgiven.
 
Zombipanda said:
Honestly, I think it's just a more blatant exploitation of a hypocrisy that's at the heart of the character but has never been addressed. He's a vigilante by night and a defense attorney by day. One of these philosophies sort of fundamentally contradicts the other, dontchathink? Don't get me wrong. It's something that I'd like to see addressed, but it's a hypocrisy that's been at the core of the character since the start.
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Well I don't quite see the hypocrisy so much because I recalled the Murdock would even defend the people he fought to try and get them on a better path, and according to the movie only defends innocent people. I see it as an extension of his belief in public service, he can defend the innocent as both a superhero and lawyer, though I think that has been lost in the more darker days of Daredevil. After shadowland I would like to see Matt take his law career to a different path.
 
Random said:
Well I don't quite see the hypocrisy so much because I recalled the Murdock would even defend the people he fought to try and get them on a better path, and according to the movie only defends innocent people. I see it as an extension of his belief in public service, he can defend the innocent as both a superhero and lawyer, though I think that has been lost in the more darker days of Daredevil.
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I still feel like it's the kind of double life that anyone associated with the justice system would frown upon. One of the safeguards of the criminal justice system is that the different levels of jurisdiction are compartmentalized. The police might work in conjunction with the DA, but ultimately, the enforcement/investigation, prosecution/defense, and judgment operate in independent jurisdiction with independent rules. As far as "only protecting the innocent", well, a defense lawyer's job is to defend his client to the best of his ability, regardless of their guilt or innocence. Sure, you can pick your clients, but I'd have to wonder exactly how partial Murdoch would be if he discovered his client was really guilty of the horrendous crime he was accused of.

I'd personally love to see Matt Murdoch hang up the mask for an extended period of time. Give us a book about Matt Murdoch, defense attorney, focusing on his cases and the various components in his firm. Step away from the suffocating broodiness that have haunted the past two and a half decades of the character's existence and give us a procedural set in Marvel's New York City. Gotham Central from the perspective of the court system.
 
Zombipanda said:
I still feel like it's the kind of double life that anyone associated with the justice system would frown upon. One of the safeguards of the criminal justice system is that the different levels of jurisdiction are compartmentalized. The police might work in conjunction with the DA, but ultimately, the enforcement/investigation, prosecution/defense, and judgment operate in independent jurisdiction with independent rules. As far as "only protecting the innocent", well, a defense lawyer's job is to defend his client to the best of his ability, regardless of their guilt or innocence. Sure, you can pick your clients, but I'd have to wonder exactly how partial Murdoch would be if he discovered his client was really guilty of the horrendous crime he was accused of.

I'd personally love to see Matt Murdoch hang up the mask for an extended period of time. Give us a book about Matt Murdoch, defense attorney, focusing on his cases and the various components in his firm. Step away from the suffocating broodiness that have haunted the past two and a half decades of the character's existence and give us a procedural set in Marvel's New York City. Gotham Central from the perspective of the court system.
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Murdock.
 
The Overlord said:
How many redemption stories has DD had at this point, its getting so tedious.
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I can't recall any... We're not talking about him coming back from a low point that The Kingpin, Bullseye, etc... brought him to in the first place. This is the first time he's taking full responsibility for the Hell on Earth his life is now. Right?
 
Having never really read or paid much attention to 616 continuity stuff, I only just recently learned the Black Panther is now the new Daredevil.

WTF?

How does the Prince of Wakanda patrolling the streets of Hell's Kitchen make sense to anyone?

Seriously, I'd love for someone to explain this to me in a way that makes even an inkling of sense.
 
We don't know because it hasn't happened yet. :)
 
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DIrishB said:
Having never really read or paid much attention to 616 continuity stuff, I only just recently learned the Black Panther is now the new Daredevil.

WTF?

How does the Prince of Wakanda patrolling the streets of Hell's Kitchen make sense to anyone?

Seriously, I'd love for someone to explain this to me in a way that makes even an inkling of sense.
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Well technically he's not the ruler of Wakanda anymore.
 
...and Matt ran off without telling anyone where he was going.

This book is terrible. Pretty amazing considering how amazingly consistently good it has been for a number of years now.

I don't care about Black Panther, and I certainly don't want him taking Daredevil's place. If I wanted Black Panther, I would read Black Panther. Or buy any of the number of horrible trades by Reggie Hudlin.

I can't believe how idiotic this is.
 
They ruined my favourite Marvel title.
 
im gonna have to disagree with ya E, I think the books semi-ending worked out pretty well. this isn't the 1st time Matt has left N.Y. after things have gone array.

and why would you tell someone where your going when you want to be left alone and not found?

Black Panther isn't taking up the mantel of DD (as far as i know), just the expanding his territory.....sort'a like mob boss expanding his criminal empire.

edit: and I love most of Hudlins work.
 
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