Batman/Superman Anthology Timelines

[Pro Bot]

Central City was referenced in Echoes #3. Jesus Christ, this is the worst release schedule ever.

 

[selfishmisery]

Central City was referenced in Echoes #3. Jesus Christ, this is the worst release schedule ever.

Restored after CW's Crisis or DCEU's Flashpoint?


I dunno if we're to take the 89 comics as canon to the live-action multiverse and if "Earth-789" is just the overall numbering through the whole multiverse (not just the local live-action ones?)...that would mean CW's Anti-Monitor couldn't possibly do harm to any Earth outside of the local multiverse?

This is confusing.

 

[Pro Bot]

Restored after CW's Crisis or DCEU's Flashpoint?

I like to think so, but it's just in my head.

 

[Jack Wayne]

Restored after CW's Crisis or DCEU's Flashpoint?


I dunno if we're to take the 89 comics as canon to the live-action multiverse and if "Earth-789" is just the overall numbering through the whole multiverse (not just the local live-action ones?)...that would mean CW's Anti-Monitor couldn't possibly do harm to any Earth outside of the local multiverse?

This is confusing.

what if...
Earth 7890?

 

[Pro Bot]

1. SEPTEMBER 5
2. NOVEMBER 5
3. DECEMBER 5

Great.

 

[Pro Bot]

Well, looks like I'm adding the new Batman novel.

 

[Pro Bot]

Central City reference in the prologue.

 

[Pro Bot]

Metropolis reference in Chapter 1.

 

[Pro Bot]

Another novel next year.

 

[Pro Bot]

Spoiler: Batman: Resurrection

Over 50% of the way in. Considering that Basil Karlo has started impersonating the Joker throughout the book, and apparently Jack Napier's corpse that was buried ISN'T HIS (leading Batman to suspect Joker is alive and thus likely to buy into Clayface's acting), it makes me wonder how Jack could manage to convince people he's the real Joker after his resurrection during Red Mask's multiversal travel to Earth-789, since I'm assuming that Clayface fooled everyone years prior. Well, in the 2019 Crisis, it seemed people were convinced at least.

Small timeline issues:
-It is mentioned that Bruce didn't go out on consecutive nights during Batman (1989).
-It is mentioned that Batman has had a short career, despite the fact that he has supposedly been active since 1979, seen in Superman '78 #3.

 

[Pro Bot]

So we agree that Superman (1978-1987) and Batman (1989-1992) are the same universe, and that brings in Supergirl (1984) and Catwoman (2004). Following this, Human Target (2010-2011) is loosely connected to Donner's Superman. You could argue that, since Crisis on Infinite Earths is an in-universe comic book in the Human Target universe, it was written based on Reeve's Superman and Keaton's Batman (in theory; we'll never actually know the true intent of that newspaper. It does seem a little far-fetched but it is identical).

If we assume that Batman/Superman always existed in the same universe before and after Crisis, which I personally prefer over a merger with Earth-96 (but that's possible too, hopefully with Earth-90 folded in as well), that means that some characters in Earth-89 probably read Crisis on Infinite Earths and then looked out their window one December 10th and saw the sky turn red. That idea is very amusing to me, lol.

 

[iceman109]

And Bruce and Clark's identities would be exposed if those comics exist also

 

[Pro Bot]

Well, the in-universe comic wouldn't use their actual names, the same way the Halloween H20 Universe's version of the Scream films probably doesn't show Halloween (1978) as an in-universe film.

 

[iceman109]

Well, the in-universe comic wouldn't use their actual names, the same way the Halloween H20 Universe's version of the Scream films probably doesn't show Halloween (1978) as an in-universe film.

So it's a Last Action Hero sort of thing

 

[selfishmisery]

So it's a Last Action Hero sort of thing

 

[ItzStitch626]

Batman Forever
Batman & Robin: Robin: Facing the Enemy
Batman & Robin
Batman & Robin: Batgirl: To Dare the Darkness
Batman: The Brave and the Bold 3x03, "Night of the Batmen!"
Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom Special #1, "Rattling the Cage"
Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom Special #1, "Changing Tides"
The Flash
Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom Special #1, "Afterimage"
Blue Beetle
Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom

I thought this Batman had nothing to do with the DCEU only Batman 89 and Batman Returns did

 

[Pro Bot]

I thought this Batman had nothing to do with the DCEU only Batman 89 and Batman Returns did

George Clooney literally plays Batman, if you don't recall.

 

[selfishmisery]

George Clooney literally plays Batman, if you don't recall.

I dunno if that integrates Schumacherverse history into Batfleck-turned-Clooney's DCEU trilogy.

 

[Pro Bot]

We'll never really know the implications because the new DCEU Batman never shows up again. I imagine he'll never show back up too.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

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Just think, this movie is probably real in another universe.

 

[Pro Bot]

Drake Winston is in the novel, so Batman: Resurrection is 10000% in the same timeline as the Batman '89 comics.

 

[ItzStitch626]

Superman Returns Chapter 18 (1:01:23 - 1:06:39)
Superman Returns Chapter 19 (1:06:40 - 1:11:48)
Superman Returns Chapter 20 (1:06:40 - 1:17:12)
Superman Returns Chapter 21 (1:17:13 - 1:17:53)

Noticed a mistake here

 

[Avilos]

Drake Winston is in the novel, so Batman: Resurrection is 10000% in the same timeline as the Batman '89 comics.

Maybe in this universe he is played by Shawn Wayans instead though… wink

 

[Pro Bot]

Two notes:
1. Hugo Strange appears heavily in Batman: Resurrection. He is referenced in Batman '89: Echoes posthumously. I love this because it feels like a hidden storyline that informs the overall storyline of this Batman iteration.

2. Okay, I'm going mad. I could SWEAR I saw the "Forget the Super" newspaper in one of the films, specifically Superman II. I even recall seeing the back of the newspaper and how it was identical to what is seen in the Human Target comic. However, I've tried finding it in the films recently and I honestly couldn't. According to auctions and movie prop sites, it is absolutely an officially produced newspaper for the 1978 film but was not actually featured in it. I'll look out for it more closely on my next rewatch regardless.
https://propstoreauction.com/lot-details/index/catalog/361/lot/107448
If it seriously wasn't featured, you could make the argument that the Human Target comic makes the "Forget the Super" newspaper canon, only it was written and published in the 2000s rather than the 1970s. If this is the case, the newspaper depicts Christopher Reeve's Superman between the events of Superman IV: The Quest for Peace and the brief cameo in The Flash... and thus, Human Target is "canon". I'm positive that wasn't intended when the show was made and I'm sure DC have completely forgot about the comic tie-in though, so yeah, it's still a very odd situation and you can easily ignore it completely and that makes total sense.

 

[Avilos]

I finished the audiobook today. I am starting to wonder if the long delays in Batman 89 Echos are due to efforts to reconcile it with this book. Without spoiling there is a character setup in the book who is appearing in Echos. The next book could be the backstory for where they end up in Echos.

I remember when The Flash came out there was surprise that the comic creators were not informed of what movie was doing. But ultimately it made no difference. That movie is decades in the future from anything in the comics. Besides the altered timeline questions. Nothing contradicts anything. All we see is an old Bruce Wayne. No mention of other unseen characters

But these new books and the comics are a totally different situation. Both are close to the other time wise and over lap in characters. Plus there has been a lot of changes in DC and WB in recent years. Would not surprise if a dictate came from above to coordinate things between. The small references in other DC books are mostly Easter Eggs. Which do not always line up.
But these prose novels and comic books are being sold under the same Burtonverse label at almost exactly the same time. Makes sense to both go in parallel tracks even if they are not telling same stories.

 

[selfishmisery]

I finished the audiobook today. I am starting to wonder if the long delays in Batman 89 Echos are due to efforts to reconcile it with this book. Without spoiling there is a character setup in the book who is appearing in Echos. The next book could be the backstory for where they end up in Echos.

I remember when The Flash came out there was surprise that the comic creators were not informed of what movie was doing. But ultimately it made no difference. That movie is decades in the future from anything in the comics. Besides the altered timeline questions. Nothing contradicts anything. All we see is an old Bruce Wayne. No mention of other unseen characters

But these new books and the comics are a totally different situation. Both are close to the other time wise and over lap in characters. Plus there has been a lot of changes in DC and WB in recent years. Would not surprise if a dictate came from above to coordinate things between. The small references in other DC books are mostly Easter Eggs. Which do not always line up.
But these prose novels and comic books are being sold under the same Burtonverse label at almost exactly the same time. Makes sense to both go in parallel tracks even if they are not telling same stories.

Yeah I think under Gunn there will be a lot more focus/importance on consistent continuity between these books or comics based on pre-existing continuities.

 

[Pro Bot]

The Hydroplolis event is dated "Saturday, July 25", which places Catwoman in 1998 or 2009. July 21-28, 2009 is probably a safe bet.

 

[Pro Bot]

I always thought it was weird how Superman Returns suggests that the Kryptonite from the first film was discovered in 1978 in the Singerverse, just like the Donnerverse. That literally implies that the original film happened in 1978 regardless of the 2006 setting. Maybe it landed and was discovered earlier in that reality, and the year just coincides with the first movie coincidentally.


I came across this old screenshot, lol. Marc is so dumb here, there's an obvious answer in that Lana Lang mixed up Clark's mom and dad. Clark planning on selling the farm before deciding against it... doesn't that same thing happen in Smallville? But, nah. His explanation was that Clark is a bad son and that's why Martha resurrects herself from the dead (???).

I think Marc's personal interpretation of the Pre-Crisis Earth-96 timeline was:
1978 - Superman: The Movie
1978 - Superman II
1980 - Superman III
1984 - Supergirl
1985 - Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
2006 - Superman Returns
2019 - Crisis on Infinite Earths

It's kinda funny to think about, because Clark goes to Krypton to search for survivors, meanwhile, in Superman '78, his parents are alive. Did someone accidentally step on the Bottle City of Kandor, so Clark left Earth to have a good cry about it? And no one suspects 71 year old Clark Kent is Superman despite his lack of aging, lol. I guess, in Marc's eyes at least, no one really ages, they just change their face.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

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I came across this old screenshot, lol. Marc is so dumb here, there's an obvious answer in that Lana Lang mixed up Clark's mom and dad. Clark planning on selling the farm before deciding against it... doesn't that same thing happen in Smallville? But, nah. His explanation was that Clark is a bad son and that's why Martha resurrects herself from the dead (???).

I mean, this is the same ******* that joked about wanting to see MJ being r*ped and murdered in the Spider-Man comics for the infamous One More Day arc and still defends that comment to this day. (And no, I'm not making that up, you can find it here: )

And he had the audacity to whine about James Gunn not picking him for the team developing the DCU.

 

[iceman109]

I mean, this is the same ******* that joked about wanting to see MJ being r*ped in the Spider-Man comics (no, I'm not making that up) and still defends that comment to this day. And he had the audacity to whine about James Gunn not picking him for the team developing the DCU.

Bruh