Avengers Dark Avengers series discussion (Spoilers)

[Void.M]

Anyone pick it up? i though it was good even though the DA are who we thought we are.

 

[mike3717]

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Anyone pick it up? i though it was good even though the DA are who we thought we are.

I did. It was ok. No real surprises. The Deodato art is nice. Not crazy about how he makes Osborn look like Tommy Lee Jones, but whatever. His Venom is SWEET.
Storywise I think it has potential but I can see it devolving into just set up for another big fight like SI was. Only this time it will be good Avengers beating up Norman and his bad Avengers.

And can someone, anyone explain to me wtf is up with Osborns hair? Can't someone just draw the guy with a normal "do" already? The 70's wavey look has got to go.

 

[Jaggyd]

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I did. It was ok. No real surprises. The Deodato art is nice. Not crazy about how he makes Osborn look like Tommy Lee Jones, but whatever. His Venom is SWEET.
Storywise I think it has potential but I can see it devolving into just set up for another big fight like SI was. Only this time it will be good Avengers beating up Norman and his bad Avengers.

And can someone, anyone explain to me wtf is up with Osborns hair? Can't someone just draw the guy with a normal "do" already? The 70's wavey look has got to go.

Believe it or not, I had a professor last year who had Norman Osborn hair. down to the color and receding hairline.

 

[mike3717]

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Believe it or not, I had a professor last year who had Norman Osborn hair. down to the color and receding hairline.

No not "color", singular, but "colors", plural cuz Norman Osborn hair alternates between like a rust color and a brown color for each row creating that odd lateral striping effect. Ugh.

But I'm sure it looked good on ur prof. :lol:

 

[Jaggyd]

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No not "color", singular, but "colors", plural cuz Norman Osborn hair alternates between like a rust color and a brown color for each row creating that odd lateral striping effect. Ugh.

But I'm sure it looked good on ur prof. :lol:

Heh, good point, and no, it looked terrible on him too.

 

[Void.M]

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Looks like the Ms.Marvel from Da is also taking over the regular Ms.Marvel book.

 

[Jaggyd]

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Looks like the Ms.Marvel from Da is also taking over the regular Ms.Marvel book.

Christ, you could cut a roast on that chin.

 

[Gemini]

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DA#1 was pretty decent I thought, an awful lot of fudging characters situations so they'd fit though

I really hope Bendis treats these characters well, I've grown to like all of them (except The Sentry) from there past appearences (even Daken's starting to grow on me.

I loved Norman and Ares reaction when they found out Daken was Wolverine's kid. The art is great, Deodato's really come into his own as off late.

But this book has an unmistakable air of redundancy, Bendis could have just taken over the Thunderbolts book. I'm not dishing on Diggle's Thunderbolts, I love it so far.

I hope this works well, it's got a good start

 

[Issued]

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It seems to be a nice roster.Except of the fact that some of the characters on the roster are aperreantly losing some of their personality which makes them who they are...

Let's say insanity was what made both Bullseye and Venom interesting characters, drug that off them and you get simple characters who only have powers...They still might have the bad seed, but they aren't as interesting as what they used to be...

And Osborn himself, a guy who is as "obsessive" as Norman Osborn, would never ever ever ever use anything created with Starktech, esecially when he has the ability to create stuff like that himself...
In my opinion The Iron Patriot is a total failure from the very beginning...
(But I really wanna see the confrontation of Iron Man & Iron Patriot)

 

[Doc Comic]

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I really hope Bendis treats these characters well

Oh, boy, you haven't read Marvel for long, have you?

 

[Gemini]

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And Osborn himself, a guy who is as "obsessive" as Norman Osborn, would never ever ever ever use anything created with Starktech, esecially when he has the ability to create stuff like that himself...
In my opinion The Iron Patriot is a total failure from the very beginning...
(But I really wanna see the confrontation of Iron Man & Iron Patriot)

You know how I bet Bendis is going to explain this away, it will be one of two ways

A) Norman is using Starktech because no one else is, With Stark going under, no one would think to attack through Stark technology because it has publically been deemed obselete. Staying out of the loop to protect himself, much like what Tony did for War Machine, made him seperate from the norm.

or B) Osborn examined all the Stark Tech Iron Man's and made his own using his own Ostech

Oh, boy, you haven't read Marvel for long, have you?

Bendis can treat characters well, if he likes them. Look at what he's done for Cage.

I also said I HOPE, as in "I hope he doesn't square-hole round-peg Noh Varr into a role that he isn't meant for like he did with The Hood."

 

[TwilightEL]

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I have seen exactly one person with Osborn hair. It was in an episode of the Avengers TV series where Miss Peel was restrained with a chastity belt. One of the random evil henchmen had hair like that. It completely blew my mind.

 

[Doc Comic]

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Bendis can treat characters well, if he likes them. Look at what he's done for Cage.

I also said I HOPE, as in "I hope he doesn't square-hole round-peg Noh Varr into a role that he isn't meant for like he did with The Hood."

This is true. If Bendis has a hard-on for them, he can write them well. But then again, there are characters that he plays favorites with and they still end up all whacked out, like Spider-Woman and Jessica Jones.

 

[E]

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DA#1 was pretty decent I thought, an awful lot of fudging characters situations so they'd fit though

I agree. I liked it, but I can't figure out why.

It read like Bendis ripping off Young Avengers.

Thinking of the concept outside of this book, I wouldn't care for "dark" versions of the Avengers. But it kind of worked here. Osbourn as "Iron Man" is so outrageous that it might just work.

One thing I did hate though - a magic pill that makes Venom lose his fangs and slobber? STUPID.

 

[Void.M]

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I agree. I liked it, but I can't figure out why.

It read like Bendis ripping off Young Avengers.

Thinking of the concept outside of this book, I wouldn't care for "dark" versions of the Avengers. But it kind of worked here. Osbourn as "Iron Man" is so outrageous that it might just work.

One thing I did hate though - a magic pill that makes Venom lose his fangs and slobber? STUPID.

Makes sense since Gargan can't control the suit.


Eddie could remove them at will though.

 

[E]

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Makes sense since Gargan can't control the suit.


Eddie could remove them at will though.

My issue is not with the fact that he no longer has them.

My issue is with how it was done. A magic pill? Seriously?

 

[Gemini]

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One thing I did hate though - a magic pill that makes Venom lose his fangs and slobber? STUPID.

I`m having fun attempting to explain Bendis today so I`ll give it a shot

over the course of the year Gargan has been shown having more and more trouble contolling the symbiote, because the symbiote needs Phenethylamine a chemical produced by the brain, which is commonly also found in Chocolate. It`s the chemical people link to Love.

Phenethylamine is the reason Venom wants to eat brains, it sustains symbiotes, it also seems to keep them `relatively`sane, so the longer Venom has gone without eating brains the more unstable it has become (hence it`s growingly monstrous appearence over the course of the year)

I imagine the pill that Osborn gave Venom was hyper-concentrated time-release Phenethylamine, which would satisfy the symbiote and give Gargan the steering wheels so to say, hence the suit returning to a simple appearence and a general calm down in nature

but Venom has been shown in the preview for the next issue of NA, and he can grow the teeth and tongue back, and still gets to eat skrulls

 

[Void.M]

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I`m having fun attempting to explain Bendis today so I`ll give it a shot

over the course of the year Gargan has been shown having more and more trouble contolling the symbiote, because the symbiote needs Phenethylamine a chemical produced by the brain, which is commonly also found in Chocolate. It`s the chemical people link to Love.

Phenethylamine is the reason Venom wants to eat brains, it sustains symbiotes, it also seems to keep them `relatively`sane, so the longer Venom has gone without eating brains the more unstable it has become (hence it`s growingly monstrous appearence over the course of the year)

I imagine the pill that Osborn gave Venom was hyper-concentrated time-release Phenethylamine, which would satisfy the symbiote and give Gargan the steering wheels so to say, hence the suit returning to a simple appearence and a general calm down in nature

but Venom has been shown in the preview for the next issue of NA, and he can grow the teeth and tongue back, and still gets to eat skrulls

*claps*

That's a really good explanation.

 

[E]

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I imagine the pill that Osborn gave Venom was hyper-concentrated time-release Phenethylamine

Bendis is not even close to being intelligent enough to come up with something like that. Ellis, yes, but Bendis...never in a million years.

I admire your attempt though.

 

[TwilightEL]

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Despite some decent execution, Dark Reign is idiotic and repulsive. I understand that any reaction this strong needs some justification, but I'm too disgusted to offer it right now. Maybe later.