Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)

[Cubbyte]

More precisely, it was because of the likelihood of the Thor and Jane flashback being after Age of Ultron and before Civil War, since in Civil War Thor is implied to not be on Earth. A magazine cover in this scene is dated September-October, and 8 years and 7 months after October 2015 would be May 2024. The placement of Moon Knight came after because people voted for it to be in 2024.

About this, I think Moon Knight should be in an earlier month. The banner at the museum says the Egyptian exhibit is from April 22-July 29.

In episode 1x01, Steven tells his boss there is a mistake with the number of Ennead gods in the posters. I think he'd be more likely to do that in the first few days of the exhibit, not in the mid-late portion of it if it was in June. So, in late April-early May.

If it's after Thor: LaT, then that might place MK in 2025. So, on late April-early May, 2025 as MCU Wikia has it.

 

[Starvel]

About this, I think Moon Knight should be in an earlier month. The banner at the museum says the Egyptian exhibit is from April 22-July 29.

In episode 1x01, Steven tells his boss there is a mistake with the number of Ennead gods in the posters. I think he'd be more likely to do that in the first few days of the exhibit, not in the mid-late portion of it if it was in June. So, in late April-early May.

If it's after Thor: LaT, then that might place MK in 2025. So, on late April-early May, 2025 as MCU Wikia has it.

I do actually agree with that logic and personally I'm actually coming around to the idea that Moon Knight is 2025 myself. While I think the intention was for it to be in 2024 I'm thinking going forward Marvel will consider it 2025. However I'm good with waiting until something happens to actually point to 2025 over 2024 be that another project or potentially the upcoming timeline book

 

[Starvel]

TL;DR basically says there isn't enough to go on for sound placement. The 30 years since CM references suggest 2025 but that could be rounded down (worth noting he does mention Fury says he's been cleaning up Skrull messes for "30 something years"). The references to Fury being gone for a few years suggests 2026 but again not super concrete. He goes with 2026 until further notice do to the Disney+ placement. Pretty much what everyone here agreed with

 

[fuzzyfoot]

Is Deadpool 3 going to be a parody or actual canon events?

in this article even though he doesn't literally outright say the exact words, I do think it is pretty clear that it is canon

 

[Rman]

Currently rewatching Wakanda Forever and I'm curious why T'Challa's death is placed on May 5th. In the movie, Shuri says the anniversary falls on a Tuesday, so it would actually be May 6th. I personally go with Greekitique in that it's April 29th. The wiki goes with May 3rd since they're considering the deleted scene to hold more evidence than Shuri saying it's Tuesday, but since that scene was deleted, I think Shuri's Tuesday line holds more weight. Honestly, I think you're fine with either the 29th or the 6th.

 

[Lebnyx]

Currently rewatching Wakanda Forever and I'm curious why T'Challa's death is placed on May 5th. In the movie, Shuri says the anniversary falls on a Tuesday, so it would actually be May 6th. I personally go with Greekitique in that it's April 29th. The wiki goes with May 3rd since they're considering the deleted scene to hold more evidence than Shuri saying it's Tuesday, but since that scene was deleted, I think Shuri's Tuesday line holds more weight. Honestly, I think you're fine with either the 29th or the 6th.

Yes, I went with the assumption that the weekdays didn't line up with the real May 2025 calendar, but I hadn't noticed the 2025-05-07 date in the deleted scene specifically said Wednesday, which is accurate to the real calendar. I have now changed the movie to a general early May placement.

 

[marioxb]

So am I crazy or was there no hospital scene in Civil War? I've seen people say that Rhodey was in a hospital gown somewhere in the movie. I just skimmed thru the movie and didn't see it. Unless I'm blind I guess.

 

[Starvel]

So am I crazy or was there no hospital scene in Civil War? I've seen people say that Rhodey was in a hospital gown somewhere in the movie. I just skimmed thru the movie and didn't see it. Unless I'm blind I guess.

If memory serves there's a scene where Vision and Tony are talking while Rhodey is getting like an MRI. They're talking about how Vision was distracted and hit Rhodey and that Tony didn't think Vision could get distracted. Rhodey is in a hospital gown during that scene

 

[marioxb]

If memory serves there's a scene where Vision and Tony are talking while Rhodey is getting like an MRI. They're talking about how Vision was distracted and hit Rhodey and that Tony didn't think Vision could get distracted. Rhodey is in a hospital gown during that scene

Thanks. Watched again and I found that scene. Was a short scene and I guess I missed it when I was quickly fast forwarding.

 

[Rman]

Yes, I went with the assumption that the weekdays didn't line up with the real May 2025 calendar, but I hadn't noticed the 2025-05-07 date in the deleted scene specifically said Wednesday, which is accurate to the real calendar. I have now changed the movie to a general early May placement.

Most of the time (not always) when Marvel gives dates it usually matches up. So, I always assume the days of the week are accurate with the real calendar. I feel like if you assume one day is accurate then the rest should be too given the MCU calendar shouldn't just randomly go from being accurate to inaccurate or vice versa.

 

[fuzzyfoot]

Most of the time (not always) when Marvel gives dates it usually matches up. So, I always assume the days of the week are accurate with the real calendar. I feel like if you assume one day is accurate then the rest should be too given the MCU calendar shouldn't just randomly go from being accurate to inaccurate or vice versa.

Makes you wonder just how far in advance they plan out the 'real' release dates or take extra special care to reshoot scenes with the corrected dates in them for the final release date. Makes my brain hurt just thinking about having that job...

 

[Rman]

Makes you wonder just how far in advance they plan out the 'real' release dates or take extra special care to reshoot scenes with the corrected dates in them for the final release date. Makes my brain hurt just thinking about having that job...

I don't think it factors as much in Phases 4 & 5 since none of the "Present Day" movies are happening around their release date due to the time jump. They can have a specific time in mind for something like say The Marvels, and a new release date doesn't really affect it, since either way the movie isn't going to line up with when it's released.

 

[JohnTitor]

Small update about the timeline book. They changed the cover a little bit, changed Wanda for Loki and Sylvie .

Before:


After:


Release date: October 24, 2023.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

If it's anything like the Star Wars one, expect errors and inaccuracies. I still believe this forum will be more accurate overall than anything official.

 

[JohnTitor]

I only want confirmation about tv shows canonicity and maybe we'll get some better explanations about phase 4 placements. That's all I expect.

 

[Raylauncher]

I fear this book will still only cover surface details in broad strokes. I'm willing to bet this is for just casual fans who struggle to keep up with more than a decade of material or those who want to start the MCU, but does not want to watch the earlier films. As someone said before it's highly possible that anything outside Marvel Studios and Disney+ will be omitted just the same and I fear if that will be the case, this will be the new ""proof"" people will say that the non-disney+ shows are not canon. But as I said before too, the Netflix shows are pretty important now + Agents of Shield would need to be at least mentioned to explain away the start of Age of Ultron as well.

I would expect some confirmation from the foreword by Feige, but he will probably just thank people and say how proud he is of the MCU and yadda yadda.

 

[Rman]

I fear this book will still only cover surface details in broad strokes. I'm willing to bet this is for just casual fans who struggle to keep up with more than a decade of material or those who want to start the MCU, but does not want to watch the earlier films. As someone said before it's highly possible that anything outside Marvel Studios and Disney+ will be omitted just the same and I fear if that will be the case, this will be the new ""proof"" people will say that the non-disney+ shows are not canon. But as I said before too, the Netflix shows are pretty important now + Agents of Shield would need to be at least mentioned to explain away the start of Age of Ultron as well.

I would expect some confirmation from the foreword by Feige, but he will probably just thank people and say how proud he is of the MCU and yadda yadda.

Daredevil: Born Again is more of a Season 1 and I'm sure is done in a way where one doesn't need to watch the Netflix series to understand it. Plus AoS isn't really necessary to explain Age of Ultron. It's said the Avengers reassembled to take down Hydra and have been doing so in the time between The Winter Solider and Age of Ultron. It's not really important information that AoS had Coulson's team be behind it. The movie tells you everything you need to know.

 

[Raylauncher]

Daredevil: Born Again is more of a Season 1 and I'm sure is done in a way where one doesn't need to watch the Netflix series to understand it. Plus AoS isn't really necessary to explain Age of Ultron. It's said the Avengers reassembled to take down Hydra and have been doing so in the time between The Winter Solider and Age of Ultron. It's not really important information that AoS had Coulson's team be behind it. The movie tells you everything you need to know.

These are true, but you'd expect a timeline book to mention the details as well.

As for the Netflix shows, you are right. Soft reboots are meant to be like that, but it's a soft reboot and not a full reboot for a reason. (well for now at least it would be a soft reboot). I would expect it to touch on the years of activity that Matt and Kingpin went through at least, even if the other heroes get omitted.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Was it announced if Jessica Jones and Luke Cage will be returning?

 

[Rman]

These are true, but you'd expect a timeline book to mention the details as well.

As for the Netflix shows, you are right. Soft reboots are meant to be like that, but it's a soft reboot and not a full reboot for a reason. (well for now at least it would be a soft reboot). I would expect it to touch on the years of activity that Matt and Kingpin went through at least, even if the other heroes get omitted.

Given the book is only focusing on Marvel Studios, I think it makes sense why the shows aren't included. This isn't like the Star Wars book where Lucasfilm was behind everything. I'm sure Born Again gives the necessary aspects of Matt and Fisk's prior history. Most likely without the specific details. If this was an actual Daredevil: Season 4, it'd be a different story.

 

[Raylauncher]

Given the book is only focusing on Marvel Studios, I think it makes sense why the shows aren't included. This isn't like the Star Wars book where Lucasfilm was behind everything. I'm sure Born Again gives the necessary aspects of Matt and Fisk's prior history. Most likely without the specific details. If this was an actual Daredevil: Season 4, it'd be a different story.

That is what I fear and honestly find the most logical as much as I don't like it. But if the book actually wanted to be a helpful source with actual research and much thought put into it they would include everything Marvel Studios and beyond. They like it or not other studios collaborated to the whole expanded MCU. If they don't want to put the dozen of other shows on the timeline it's fine, but at least have the guts to finally put an end to all this and say they are a different universe.

 

[Rman]

That is what I fear and honestly find the most logical as much as I don't like it. But if the book actually wanted to be a helpful source with actual research and much thought put into it they would include everything Marvel Studios and beyond. They like it or not other studios collaborated to the whole expanded MCU. If they don't want to put the dozen of other shows on the timeline it's fine, but at least have the guts to finally put an end to all this and say they are a different universe.

Yeah, I'm not really a fan of the vagueness. It's like they don't want to commit either way. I think a majority of it has to do with them not wanting to take the time and map the Marvel Television shows out. Especially when some should be considered during the Blip and don't act like it. I think it's less convoluted on their end to just include their own productions.

 

[Raylauncher]

Yeah, I'm not really a fan of the vagueness. It's like they don't want to commit either way. I think a majority of it has to do with them not wanting to take the time and map the Marvel Television shows out. Especially when some should be considered during the Blip and don't act like it. I think it's less convoluted on their end to just include their own productions.

I agree, but if fans like us can dedicate the time and effort, they as the creators should too, not to mention they have the absolute ability to retcon, explain and reason placements. Looking at this way I would rather take that they don't touch anything if they are going to just screw everything up because they half-ass it. But even if they don't map everything out, at least subtle nods of the existence of other products would be welcome as well.

And then there is the option to just say they are different universes and then they don't even have to bother placing them. After all the description of the book says "Different worlds, different timelines". I'm just thirsting for any recognition regarding AoS, Cloak and Dagger and co.

 

[Rman]

I agree, but if fans like us can dedicate the time and effort, they as the creators should too, not to mention they have the absolute ability to retcon, explain and reason placements. Looking at this way I would rather take that they don't touch anything if they are going to just screw everything up because they half-ass it. But even if they don't map everything out, at least subtle nods of the existence of other products would be welcome as well.

And then there is the option to just say they are different universes and then they don't even have to bother placing them. After all the description of the book says "Different worlds, different timelines". I'm just thirsting for any recognition regarding AoS, Cloak and Dagger and co.

Yeah, it's sad but I think the truth is they'd just rather not address it.

 

[Starvel]

Was it announced if Jessica Jones and Luke Cage will be returning?

Nothing official. However some reliable leakers have said Jessica Jones was wanted for Born Again but it doesn't look like it happened.

 

[marioxb]

Spoiler: Secret Invasion

I wonder if this "15 years ago" thing is a clue to when Rhodey was taken. I don't want it to be during Civil War, but is this another potential clue that it might be? From MCU wiki. Though I just now realized I suck at math. I thought 2016 was 15 years ago from the "current" MCU date, but nevermind, I'm stupid.

 

[Rman]

"The Art of the Eternals" book has been released and in it, they mention Arishem looming huge in the autumn sky when summoning Sersi, Kingo, and Phastos. Further, confirmation the movie is set in the Fall.

 

[fuzzyfoot]

Yeah, it's sad but I think the truth is they'd just rather not address it.

Yeah, I feel the same. Even though every single project that has touched the wider MCU in some way, a leaker always claims 'you'll know for sure after such and such a project' and it never happens. Even now, they said we'll know during Born Again. I think the safest thing is for Feige to never give it a definitive answer. Because if they confirm it, many on reddit will cry like babies. If they deny it, a lot of fans will feel like Marvel doesn't care about their fans. It's a lose lose for them to address it yay or nay. So they just leave it be.

 

[Raylauncher]

Yeah, I feel the same. Even though every single project that has touched the wider MCU in some way, a leaker always claims 'you'll know for sure after such and such a project' and it never happens. Even now, they said we'll know during Born Again. I think the safest thing is for Feige to never give it a definitive answer. Because if they confirm it, many on reddit will cry like babies. If they deny it, a lot of fans will feel like Marvel doesn't care about their fans. It's a lose lose for them to address it yay or nay. So they just leave it be.

I don't agree with the latter half. Confirming the canonicity of the expanded shows would only benefit the MCU in the long time. The people who would actually be upset over it would be the ones that are hard bent on proving that currently they can not be canon at all and are obsessed over it. These people are very much the vocal minority. They would cease to be after a good while, and finally the debate over the non D+ shows would be over.
Looking at it from the other side, if they would confirm they are alternate universe (so non-canon) would probably receive a giant black-lash. But with the MCU experimenting with different universes they could easily just connect them anytime they want. Obviously the short-term effects would be vastly negative and some people would remain sour for a long time just as well, it's just better on the aspect that the big question was finally answered.
Now if they just remain ambiguous, that just shows they do not care about it nor the fans and that is what most, including myself feel what Feige and the other higher ups do. The ambiguity of the expanded material just has people being confused and the fighting over what is canon and what is not is ever persistent. Marvel Studios do not benefit from this at all. The reasoning behind them not canonizing the non D+ shows that they fear the backlash is not really a solid point, because they DO get most of the blacklash for keeping us on our heels for years now and not saying anything for certain.

 

[Rman]

I don't agree with the latter half. Confirming the canonicity of the expanded shows would only benefit the MCU in the long time. The people who would actually be upset over it would be the ones that are hard bent on proving that currently they can not be canon at all and are obsessed over it. These people are very much the vocal minority. They would cease to be after a good while, and finally the debate over the non D+ shows would be over.
Looking at it from the other side, if they would confirm they are alternate universe (so non-canon) would probably receive a giant black-lash. But with the MCU experimenting with different universes they could easily just connect them anytime they want. Obviously the short-term effects would be vastly negative and some people would remain sour for a long time just as well, it's just better on the aspect that the big question was finally answered.
Now if they just remain ambiguous, that just shows they do not care about it nor the fans and that is what most, including myself feel what Feige and the other higher ups do. The ambiguity of the expanded material just has people being confused and the fighting over what is canon and what is not is ever persistent. Marvel Studios do not benefit from this at all. The reasoning behind them not canonizing the non D+ shows that they fear the backlash is not really a solid point, because they DO get most of the blacklash for keeping us on our heels for years now and not saying anything for certain.

I think there's more to it than that. Whether you're a fan or not, the truth is Marvel Studios wasn't behind all the creative choices made with Marvel Television and they simply may not want to adhere to decisions they may not agree with from a creative standpoint. That's not to say that Marvel Studios may not pick and choose certain aspects like we're seeing with Born Again. However, at the same time, I just don't see them flat-out confirming everything done by Marvel Television is 100% canon.