The Dark Knight {Spoilers Abound}

[Langsta]

What's the point of having an "epic trilogy" or whatever and no more movies? They could still have their little epicness or whatever, but that's no reason for other movies not to be made.

Batman/Batman Returns were awesome, the next three were weak, The Dark Knight was amazing. There's no reason to limit the number of films that should be made, even if a couple are bad there could still be a good one down the road.

Uhm let's see....the original Star Wars trilogy was near perfect IMO, but the prequels all sucked ***. IMO. That's why no other movies should be made after the trilogy.

And there aren't too many good 007 films out of the 22 they've made so far.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

Uhm let's see....the original Star Wars trilogy was near perfect IMO, but the prequels all sucked ***. IMO. That's why no other movies should be made after the trilogy.

And there aren't too many good 007 films out of the 22 they've made so far.

I liked two of the prequels.

And aren't too many worthless James Bond movies. Most are at least pretty fun. In your world they should have ended the series with Goldfinger.

 

[DIrishB]

It hurts me to say this but your explanation for Gordon's fake death makes sense.

Cool. I thought it made sense.

I'll have to wait until I go to the movie again to see if it is clearer this time...

I saw it a second time and stuff I missed the first time definitly stood out.

But I still think that Dent may be alive.

*Head explodes*

?!

Tell me I'm misinterpreting.

Only in terms of the degree in which I'm using it. Batman Begins was definitly a good movie, and definitly the best Batman movie (I preferred it by far to the four previous Batman films by Burton and Schumacher) to that point. However, in comparison to The Dark Knight, Batman Begins CAN'T be labeled as anything other than a mediocre stepping-stone to The Dark Knight. Thats what I meant.

So yes, I loved Begins, but in comparison to TDK I love it like a red-headed step-child with mange. Begins is a tasty hors d'ouvre while TDK is the meaty main course.

Maybe thats a little over the top, but you know what I mean.

Here, here.

I'd just like a nice capper. I'm not looking for another masterpiece...but obviously it would be great if we had one.

My feelings exactly. However, I don't want it rushed or forced...I want something that Nolan and company are motivated to make as awesome and good as they possibly can. I think a few non-Batman films between now and then could help with that, as others have said.

 

[DARKKNIGHT]

There was more focus on Batman the character (whereas in The Dark Knight, Gotham City as a whole, was the focus), and there was certainly a lot more 'fun' (I love the scene where Bruce uses the elevator to go down to the Batcave and I love when Gordon drives the Tumbler). Plus, Batman just looked better in Begins. His mask was too helmety in TDK and in some scenes, it actually looked cartoonish.

Batman Begins was an excellent superhero movie, whereas The Dark Knight was a masterful ensemble-graphic-novel-thriller. It could have just as easily been called 'Gotham City'.

Exactly. Personally I thought that some of the plot could have been cut from TDK to make for a tighter, slimmer movie. I still think that the Mr. Reese character and his little plot could have been cut completely. The brothers Nolan could easily have cooked up a different plot for the Joker not imvolving Reese.

The only way I would want a different director is if Zack Snyder did Dark Knight Returns....a standalone movie, not canon with the Nolan films.

While a Zach Snyder TDKR is interesting to say the least, I don't know how that would affect other Batman movies in the future. I don't know how many people would get that it is an alternative take on the character and doesn't have anything to do with Nolan's movies, or possible other "mainstream" Batman flicks. It could lead to a lot of confussion. Even now you have people that think Nolan's movies are prequels to the Burton/Schumacher series. I might prefer an animated version of TDKR, including all of it's adult themes. Besides that I have my questions as to how TDKR would go over with your general audience. I think it might be a tough sale.

 

[SSJmole]

I might prefer an animated version of TDKR, including all of it's adult themes. Besides that I have my questions as to how TDKR would go over with your general audience. I think it might be a tough sale.

I would love that but only if Mark Hamill voices the joker

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

Just a random thought I had...

The Riddler, played as much more of a gentleman type villain, polite and well mannered but you can see his obsession slightly showing through the cracks, A slightly older actor to portray him... I could see Anthony Stewart Head.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

After watching Insomnia, the long-rumored (pre-Batman Forever) Robin Williams Riddler would be cool.

 

[SSJmole]

After watching Insomnia, the long-rumored (pre-Batman Forever) Robin Williams Riddler would be cool.

I picked him a while ago in our "next villains in batman" dreamcast thing

 

[Gothamite]

After watching Insomnia, the long-rumored (pre-Batman Forever) Robin Williams Riddler would be cool.

Yeah, I agree. However, had Williams been cast in THAT movie, he would inevitably have been the same wacky, speed-freak that Carrey was, even if the movie was directed by Tim Burton.

Ironically, I think Jim Carrey wouldn't be such a bad choice in a Nolan movie either, provided he gave the 'serious', psychologically disturbed performance we all want to see from Serious-Actor Carrey, rather than just Classic-Cartoon-Carrey.

 

[Langsta]

I liked two of the prequels.

And aren't too many worthless James Bond movies. Most are at least pretty fun. In your world they should have ended the series with Goldfinger.

No, they would have started the series with the Daniel Craig Casino Royale and ended it with Craig's Octo***** and the Living Daylights, just like in the books.

 

[J. Agamemnon]

Nothing beats the original casino royale.

 

[DARKKNIGHT]

Anyone else agree that it would be cool to bring in Bullock as the head of a Gotham Police division assigned with the capture of Batman? Then maybe have a sweet foot chase, kinda like the one in Mask of the Phantasm. That is definitely going into the movie pitch for the next Batman.

 

[Langsta]

Anyone else agree that it would be cool to bring in Bullock as the head of a Gotham Police division assigned with the capture of Batman? Then maybe have a sweet foot chase, kinda like the one in Mask of the Phantasm. That is definitely going into the movie pitch for the next Batman.

Well, Flass from BB was kind of based on Bullock (Nolan's Flass is nothing like the comic's), in the same vein as Eckhardt from Burton's Batman. And Ramirez from TDK is kind of based on Renee Montoya.

So I don't think either of them should be used.

 

[DARKKNIGHT]

Well, Flass from BB was kind of based on Bullock (Nolan's Flass is nothing like the comic's), in the same vein as Eckhardt from Burton's Batman. And Ramirez from TDK is kind of based on Renee Montoya.

So I don't think either of them should be used.

Did Nolan actually say Flass was based upton Bullock, or is that what you think?

 

[Langsta]

Did Nolan actually say Flass was based upton Bullock, or is that what you think?

That's just my opinion.

 

[DARKKNIGHT]

That's just my opinion.

I really don't think that there is that much in common between the two, besides them both being slightly large and dishevelled. I'm doing it.

 

[Zombipanda]

And there aren't too many good 007 films out of the 22 they've made so far.

wuh-wuh-WHAAAAAAAAAT?

 

[J. Agamemnon]

wuh-wuh-WHAAAAAAAAAT?

I gotta agree with Langsta. Aside from Goldeneye, Brosnan's other Bonds are lackluster as are many of the other Bond films. Timothy Dalton is probably my favorite Bond though.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

I've just watched the first 8 Bond movies, and the worst one so far has been Dr. No, the first one.

If they ended on Goldfinger we would've missed out on some really cool movies.

Whatever you think about how good certain movies are, that shouldn't bar others from being made. I loved The Dark Knight, but it would make me very sad if there weren't any more Batman movies.

They're even making more Lord of the Rings movies, and I can't wait to see them, and that's a perfect trilogy.

 

[DIrishB]

Nothing beats the original casino royale.

Thats entirely due to Sellers. Nothing beats Peter Sellers.

I've just watched the first 8 Bond movies, and the worst one so far has been Dr. No, the first one.

If they ended on Goldfinger we would've missed out on some really cool movies.

Whatever you think about how good certain movies are, that shouldn't bar others from being made. I loved The Dark Knight, but it would make me very sad if there weren't any more Batman movies.

They're even making more Lord of the Rings movies, and I can't wait to see them, and that's a perfect trilogy.

I agree that more Batman movies deserve to be and should be made in the future. I just think that right now Nolan "owns" the franchise, and Bale "is" Batman. Its their baby right now, as it should be. I think if Nolan hasn't committed to doing a third Batman in the next 5 years it should go to someone else. That isn't to put a time limit on Nolan's use of the character in movies, but just that if a third Nolan Batman hasn't been done in the next 5-6 years, I find it less likely he'll come back the more time that passes, though conversly I think a certain amount of time is required before he comes back to the franchise (making other, non-Batman related films).