Bottom Line: If this is true, if Dent is really dead, it was a TERRIBLE way to do it in the movie.... a fall from what looked like a not-too-high height that another character walked away from without injury in a movie where they'd done a scene SPECIFICALLY STRESSING the survivability of falls from not-too-high heights. It's too wishy-washy to be the death that character needed, so I saw a) it's not good enough, he can be their dark secret somewhere and die again someday, and b) fortunately, there's enough story left in the character for them to keep him alive long enough to do that.
This of course completely ignores the very viable facts that Dent had just left the hospital with VERY serious 3rd degree burns over half his head, and wasn't wearing armor like Batman was. The velocity of his fall was much faster also, since he fell with the intertia of Batman's push off the edge, whereas Batman held on and only fell the distance without the extra interia. Dent could've landed badly on his neck and broken it, thus dying. Batman got lucky, etc.
It also ignores the obvious assumption Dent's body would've been processed and pronounced dead, then cremated or buried. The pronouncement of death surely happens before the memorial for Dent Gordon is giving at the end. THAT scene alone confirms for me Dent won't return. Speaing of wishy-washy...Dent suddenly popping up alive is campy and stupid in respect to the realism Nolan injected into these movies.
And all these things are semantics anyway. Dent's dead.
The thing is......There's only so much the human body can take.
Agreed. On one hand....take the blame for Dent's indiscretions.
They said it better anyway.
Stop retconning your "timeline powers" to whatever you want. Who do you think are, Loeb?
If you continue to compare me to and insinuate I hang out with Jeph Loeb, sir, I'll be forced to put a sugar/flour mixture in your gas tank.
For me I remembered the shot with Gordon breaking the Bat-Signal, so I was pretty sure he was going to make it.
I remembered the scene from the trailer with Gordon explaining all the knives and lint in Joker's pockets. I ended up thinking..."Did it get cut...No, they wouldn't cut that...would they?" I was convinced enough he might be dead even though I had evidence otherwise. Damn good job.
DARKKNIGHT said:
Gordon's death didn't make sense. REALISTICALLY (which is what these movies are all about) there is no way that he could pretended being dead for as long as he was. What was the point of it really? You say to save his family, but I must have missed that while I was watching it.
Watch it again. Gordon goes home after its revealed he's alive and his wife flips out. He explains he did it to protect them.
Is it so that the Joker doesn't target him and kill his family? If so he thought of that pretty quickly while knocking the mayor to the side of the Joker bullet.
No, Gordon obviously wasn't worried about himself, he was worried about his family, hence why he threw himself in the way of the bullet (he was obviously wearing a vest anyway), and at the end when he pleaded with Harvey to kill him, not his son or family. The point was hammered home continuously in the movie, not sure how you missed it.
I recommend you watch it again.
To me at least it felt gimmicky and a bit pointless. Did anyone actually think that he was dead? I mean it's Commissioner Gordon, not to mention that there were still a handful of scenes from the trailer with him that weren't in the movie at that point.
Actually, yes, MOST people thought he was dead. Have you not been reading people's posts in this thread? And read above. I mention my thoughts on Gordon's "death" in relation to what I saw in the trailer.
I don't know how you can say that Dent is 100% dead based upon the fall he took when Maroni is thrown off of a building (roughly the same height) on to concrete nonetheless, seemingly snaps both legs, and then is later seen walking with only the help of a cane.
I can't say he's 100% dead. I just think he's 100% dead. Its only my opinion.
