Ultimate Fantastic Four #32 (Discussion/Spoilers)

[ProjectX2]

PS People keep asking why we lost the goat-legs and ignored previous Doom, but he's exactly the same. Editorial wanted rid of the goat-legs (which I quite liked as it was unique and menacing) and so I had a scene in 31 where Reed is meeting Victor in that big room and we see servants strapping on the metal leg armour he's wearing for the rest of the ish. I never saw the finished art, but since people were asking I'm assuming it wasn't drawn. But the goat legs are under there (which seemed the simplest solution)

MM

Hooray for goat legs!

 

[Goodwill]

That's cool of Millar to answer that question... It's the least he could've done.

 

[E]

Goat legs are awesome. I'm glad they're still there.

Why would editorial want to get rid of them? I wonder if they are just dropping and ignoring it instead of explaining it like Millar tried.

Like the Clone Saga and baby May.

 

[Hibiki]

Is there a detailed synopsis anyone can give me?

 

[McCheese]

Is there a detailed synopsis anyone can give me?

Sure thing.

We open in Latveria, Earlier. Doom gloats about the successful mindswap. Reed complains. Doom tells him to buck up because he's more powerful now and he's the leader of a country. Sue and Ben enter and away Doom-Reed goes. They fly back to New York and the ultimates are waiting out front in case something goes wrong with the Zombie world. Doom-Reed says he has to fix Johnny first because his powers are essential to the plan he's concocted to save the Earth. Then he says the best line of the book when Dr. Storm tries to question him. "Please. It's Mister Fantastic, not Mister Mediocre." We visit the Zombies for a bit to establish that they are still evil. Then Doom-Reed casts his spell, but instead of sending the thing away to the N-Zone something went wrong and it's sitting on Johnny's chest. It zooms off to find the most powerful being around. Everyone assumes Thor, but it bowls through him to get to Reed-Doom, they lower the shields and Reed-Doom makes quick work of the zombies, tosses them through the portal and gets Victor to tell everyone the truth about what happened in Latvaria. Reed prepares to step through to the other dimension, but Doom does the honerable thing and switches back bodies, then steps through to the other dimension where he immediately picks a fight with the remaining zombies. "Hmph. Well, this should be a challenge." We see the papers say that the Fantastic Four saved the Earth (ignoring Doom's final request to be recognized for his sacrifice). The 4 + Ben's girlfriend sit around and babble about how great their life is. The end.

 

[Hibiki]

So was there any fight with the zombies?

 

[McCheese]

So was there any fight with the zombies?

Yeah. I said...

Reed-Doom makes quick work of the zombies

 

[Ultimate Deadpool]

Sure thing.

We open in Latveria, Earlier. Doom gloats about the successful mindswap. Reed complains. Doom tells him to buck up because he's more powerful now and he's the leader of a country. Sue and Ben enter and away Doom-Reed goes. They fly back to New York and the ultimates are waiting out front in case something goes wrong with the Zombie world. Doom-Reed says he has to fix Johnny first because his powers are essential to the plan he's concocted to save the Earth. Then he says the best line of the book when Dr. Storm tries to question him. "Please. It's Mister Fantastic, not Mister Mediocre." We visit the Zombies for a bit to establish that they are still evil. Then Doom-Reed casts his spell, but instead of sending the thing away to the N-Zone something went wrong and it's sitting on Johnny's chest. It zooms off to find the most powerful being around. Everyone assumes Thor, but it bowls through him to get to Reed-Doom, they lower the shields and Reed-Doom makes quick work of the zombies, tosses them through the portal and gets Victor to tell everyone the truth about what happened in Latvaria. Reed prepares to step through to the other dimension, but Doom does the honerable thing and switches back bodies, then steps through to the other dimension where he immediately picks a fight with the remaining zombies. "Hmph. Well, this should be a challenge." We see the papers say that the Fantastic Four saved the Earth (ignoring Doom's final request to be recognized for his sacrifice). The 4 + Ben's girlfriend sit around and babble about how great their life is. The end.

And with that, thank you sir!

Now I know I said it twice before, just to be wrong both times. But knowing Doom... the zombies are ****ed!

 

[Random]

I guess that UFF is a book you have to read to like it, just reading the summaries it seems too out there and long winded

 

[Hibiki]

I went to Barnes and Noble and finally read the Doom arc. Pretty good and now i can see where he's coming from in this arc.

 

[cmdrjanjalani]

This was a great issue to end Millar's run. If there was one thing that I have to nitpick, it's that Millar failed to make this a Torch-centric arc. Johnny was more like a plot device than the star of the arc, unlike the rest.

 

[shadowcleric]

i really liked the ending it was ...i don't know a word for it

it seemed just seemed right

 

[searzy]

Firts of all, when did Victor become so knowledgable in the Mystic arts?
Second, there is no way Doom is the most powerfull character in the Ultimate Universe?
Since Reed has a ever growing mind, did he manage to read all the books Doom had?

 

[thee great one]

Doom and Reed are hardcore.

Doom will be back. He always comes back.

Land's Doom is stunning. As was the shot of the zombies.

Fantastic ending to a fantastic run.

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

Firts of all, when did Victor become so knowledgable in the Mystic arts?

.... I didn't know they had to physically show Doom reading up on this stuff to convince the readers that during his absence from the book he learned a trick or two.

Second, there is no way Doom is the most powerfull character in the Ultimate Universe?

Man-Thing. The "accident" did some pretty radical stuff to the team. I totally buy that Doom is the most powerful being in the UU. He was already one of the most powerful human beings before the accident and giving him that sort've power just turned him into the most terrible godlike being.

Since Reed has a ever growing mind, did he manage to read all the books Doom had?

He doesn't have superspeed.


Welcome newb.

 

[Zombipanda]

Firts of all, when did Victor become so knowledgable in the Mystic arts?

Victor spent his whole childhood being versed in the legacy of Dracula. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he achieved significant mystical acumen by the time he hit puberty. Just because he didn't display his mystical prowess when he was in a scientific think tank doesn't mean he didn't possess it.

Also, he's since acquired all the libraries and other resources of Latveria. Just because the country's financially down on its luck doesn't mean it's lacking for esoteric artifacts and libraries.

Second, there is no way Doom is the most powerfull character in the Ultimate Universe?

What defines a powerful character? I'd say humanity's most powerful assets are our will to power and our thirst for discovery. Doom has both in spades. While Thor may have the power of the gods, Doom has the tenacity to achieve what he desires, no matter the consequences. Personally, I love the idea that this disgustingly powerful, alien entity sees Doom as its greatest vessel, becausehe has the resolve to do whatever it takes. In some twisted way, he represents the pinnacle of humanity.

Since Reed has a ever growing mind, did he manage to read all the books Doom had?

Nope. But Doom said he had everything planned to the fourth decimal point, so I'm guessing he told Reed everything he'd have to know- not a word more or a word less.

And honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if the error in the accident which caused their mutations actually WAS Reed's fault.

 

[cmdrjanjalani]

Second, there is no way Doom is the most powerfull character in the Ultimate Universe?

I don't think Doom ended up the most powerful character during the initial N-Zone accident. He did stand well against the UFF in their first fight but there was no doubt he would lose, it was just a matter of how long Doom could take the punishment. It is highly possible that he further enhanced himself while he was busy improving Latveria.

Also, if Millar didn't want to lose the goat legs, he should have reminded Breitweiser (the guy who drew pages 2-3). The 'flashback' scene with their swapping bodies shows Reed-possessed Doom in a kneeling position and obviously having normal legs.

 

[Thor]

Also, if Millar didn't want to lose the goat legs, he should have reminded Breitweiser (the guy who drew pages 2-3). The 'flashback' scene with their swapping bodies shows Reed-possessed Doom in a kneeling position and obviously having normal legs.

Actually it was said in a interview that he is wearing armor on his feet.

Anyway, I don't think he was that strong before because Reed did say he had magical defenses on his body and what not. You guys need to pay attention .

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

You guys don't appreciate the character that Doom actually is. You don't think he's a strong man on a level of power and intelligence? You don't think the transformation uped that level? You think he's just another weak archrival that poses no threat? Maybe Millar didn't do such a great job portraying him then.

 

[searzy]

Wow, I didn't think my thread would get such a response!
I love the way Land draws! It's so real!
However, the point is taken that maybe powerfull doen not equate strength, but instead is composed of several elements.
Doom does make mistakes, he even admitted it! HE is the one that caused the accident!
Another question I have is how did Doom (Reed's mind) get to the Baxter building so fast! The team was using the fantasticar, but I remember that Doom shot it down way back, so he may have repaired it.
I know we will see the Zombie U again in the future...the fans love it!
The goat legs did suck! I hope the Doom face Land drew becomes the norm, it is amazing!

 

[Hibiki]

Wow, I didn't think my thread would get such a response!
I love the way Land draws! It's so real!
However, the point is taken that maybe powerfull doen not equate strength, but instead is composed of several elements.
Doom does make mistakes, he even admitted it! HE is the one that caused the accident!
Another question I have is how did Doom (Reed's mind) get to the Baxter building so fast! The team was using the fantasticar, but I remember that Doom shot it down way back, so he may have repaired it.
I know we will see the Zombie U again in the future...the fans love it!
The goat legs did suck! I hope the Doom face Land drew becomes the norm, it is amazing!

Yeah the first face look too much like ultron. And it wasn't creepy or spine tickeling when you saw his face.

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

However, the point is taken that maybe powerfull doen not equate strength, but instead is composed of several elements.

That is the point. Doom is not only powerful because of strength but because of everything else. His intelligence, his willingness to use his powers so that he can get what he wants, his mix of magic and technology, and the physical transformation that took place during the accident.

Another question I have is how did Doom (Reed's mind) get to the Baxter building so fast! The team was using the fantasticar, but I remember that Doom shot it down way back, so he may have repaired it.

Are you referring to when Doom shot down the car in the 2nd arc? The 2nd arc!? Now Doom owns one of the technologically advanced and economically powerful countries in the world. You don't think he has anything to transport him? Read between the lines.

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

That was an awesome issue. The whole Doom 'sacrificing' himself to save the world is exactly how Doom would act, in that he could never let Reed get one better than him. Doom taking out the Frightful Four was wicked as well.

 

[vintsukka]

Doom does make mistakes, he even admitted it! HE is the one that caused the accident!

When did he admit that?

 

[searzy]

In issue 32, when the alien didn't go back into the N-zone.

 

[Mr_Thing30]

Where to start.... It was a "ok" book.. but like most everyone here it was a tad forced. Zombie ideas usually never work out well, but gave it a try to like it. Then the squid thing, It just kept getting over done, how many old F4 ideas can you shove into a story? I would of been alot more happier if for once they could of focused on Doom or Namor for more then one book. Really get into what makes these guys tick & why the F4 stand opposed to them. Lately it seems as though its a matter of who they can toss on the cover.

My Posts tend to ramble forgive me.

 

[vintsukka]

In issue 32, when the alien didn't go back into the N-zone.

Ok, by accident I thought you meant the original accident where they got their powers.

Sure, Doom says he made a mistake but it could be that he's just playing his part and that's what he planned all along.

 

[Sacred&Profane]

Where to start.... It was a "ok" book.. but like most everyone here it was a tad forced.

I haven't heard many people say forced, but I have heard many say rushed. There is a difference between the two.

Zombie ideas usually never work out well, but gave it a try to like it. Then the squid thing, It just kept getting over done, how many old F4 ideas can you shove into a story? I would of been alot more happier if for once they could of focused on Doom or Namor for more then one book. Really get into what makes these guys tick & why the F4 stand opposed to them.

Er..uh...
Namor had a 3-book long arc that showed what made him tick, and gave a good reason for the F4 to hate him.
Doom has has already had an entire arc early on in the series, as well as an appearence in the first. As well 3-issue long arc that featured him and fleshed him out a little better.

Lately it seems as though its a matter of who they can toss on the cover.

I think you may have Millar confused with Bendis. Millar seems to be putting effort into the Ultimizations he makes, setting up future stories while telling his own. Over the past 12, we've had 4 connected-yet-self contained stories that made up one large arc, each with its own villian.
I don't see how that is a matter of who they can toss on the cover.

 

[Ultimate Quicksilver]

And Millar ultimizations are actually cool and the characters are different from the 616 universe
Bendis is like "Ok, lets make him younger and put a leather jacket."

 

[Thor]

And Millar ultimizations are actually cool and the characters are different from the 616 universe
Bendis is like "Ok, lets make him younger and put a leather jacket."

I assume you are talking about Wolverine. If that is the case than I have to ask, why do you want him changed? I am sure they could have changed somethings but would you really want him to lose his old awesomeness?

I like many of Bendis' Ultimizations including Green Goblin, The Rhino, Venom, and so on. The one I don't like so far is Scorpion because it seems that he will only be used in this arc. But I guess I will have to see after the Clone Saga is over....