Ultimates 3 #1-5 discussion [Loeb/Madureira] [spoilers]

Re: Ultimates 3 Previews

the watcher said:
Sorry don't have time to write out a sum. But I will throw in some spoilers.

The question of who the Black Panter comes up again and Wolverine knows who it is.

Is seem that Wolverine sleeped with Magneto's wife who lookes a lot like Wanda.

All the dinosaurs are real that Wanda brought back with her powers.


Iron Man has been taken and replace with robot.

and we intro. Shanna the She-Devil and Ka-Zar, oh and of course Zabu.
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Seriously?

...

Damn.
 
Re: Ultimates 3 Previews

the watcher said:
Sorry don't have time to write out a sum. But I will throw in some spoilers.

The question of who the Black Panter comes up again and Wolverine knows who it is.

Is seem that Wolverine sleeped with Magneto's wife who lookes a lot like Wanda.

All the dinosaurs are real that Wanda brought back with her powers.


Iron Man has been taken and replace with robot.

and we intro. Shanna the She-Devil and Ka-Zar, oh and of course Zabu.
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i think/hope its starting to pick up. Looks like hank's death might still be tied to the story somehow (iron man is a robot? did he upgrade his ultron robots again?).
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

SO, I downloaded Ultimates 3 #3

And I just have to say, where did all the sex come from? That's all this comic is, ****, ***, stupid sayings, and ****ing.

Horrible.

Oh, how could I forget the PLOT TWISTS!!!!!
 
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Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

$^#%&%*%*(#!# YOU, JANET!!!

HEY! WATCH THE LANGUAGE, MISTER!

%#q@#!%$*$%^#$@ YOU TOO!




&%^$^%@%*&%#* THIS #%#^*^&@@!#$!ING COMIC!!!!!
 
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Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

OMIGOD! ISoWHANT@NOWUTTEHSPECALSECRETBONDBETWEENBLAKPANTHURANDCAPTINAMERIACNIS

Edit: I bet the secret between Captain America is that Ultimate Black Panther is just the Falcon in a new costume. 'cuz, there can only be one black guy in the Ultimate Marvel Universe. It's like Highlander.
 
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Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

Possibly interesting - BP is Fury
Probably dumb - BP is Falcon
Definitely dumb - BP is cap or Zarda

I want it to be 'Ultimate Isaiah Bradley'!!!!!


I don't mean this statement to be provocative, but I think Black Panther should be black (in the African-American sense, not just the costume sense :) )

The 616 MArvel U doesn't do a very good job of proportional representation of race/cultural/heritage diversity. Ultimate Marvel U still can. To me, how this Ultimate BP thing turns out could be a BIG mistake. Much bigger than Loeb's craptastic writing on the title for 5 issues. He's defining the parameters of a character for their tenure in the universe.
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, much to possible hatered and flaming that...

this book wasn't nearly as bad as the first two. in fact, i was kept interested the entire way through, and (i can't believe i'm gonna say this) actually made me curious and semi-excited for the next issue...

there, i said it, flame away
 
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Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

Mattimeo84 said:
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, much to possible hatered and flaming that...

this book wasn't nearly as bad as the first two. in fact, i was kept interested the entire way through, and (i can't believe i'm gonna say this) actually made me curious and semi-excited for the next issue...

there, i said it, flame away
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That's just Loeb using his Gypsy spells on you. Try and resist.
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

Seriously, saying this is a vast improvement over the first two, means absolute ****.

Cause the first two were pieces of crap, and here, it's still crap with bits of shiny crap thrown in.

And are you honestly excited over Ka-zar and Sheena?

Seriously?
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

Ultimate Houde said:
And are you honestly excited over Ka-zar and Sheena?

Seriously?
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I am not excited about them...

But, i was excited that we did get some explanation on SW costume change...also a new and better explanation on dinosaurs in the savage land...the wolverine could be magnetos babies daddy was fairly interesting...the ultron esqe iron man (albeit used recently in Mighty Avengers) will hopefully be a good read...the question of who black panther is intriguing (it can't be Cap, as cap and BP are seen together...what actually happened to ironman?

i understand comparing it to the first to is worthless...but on its own, its not as bad as i was expecting...
 
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Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

Ecch :sick:

Due to everyone here's warnings, I haven't touched this title with a ten foot pole (yet). But that dialogue . . . in that godawful preview . . . . all I can say is, where's a twenty foot pole when you need one?


"I'M GONNA DIG THIS, BARTON."

"Didn't you used to have a wife and two kids."
"No, I had a wife and three kids, jack ***."

"You know, you're kinda hotter -- if that's possible -- when you're angry."

The entire thing sounds like a fifth grader wrote it. A really angry fifth grader who is hell bent on destroying what was once a great title. AND IT'S JUST THE FIRST FIVE PAGES! I'm so entire happy I haven't been reading this, it's not even funny.

Usually, I'm a completist. I'll get everything just for the sake of having everything. But this? Not this. As far as I'm concerned, the Ultimates ended when Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch left.

Loeb who?
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

Drunken Pickle said:
Thanks :rockon:
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:D Welcome!

ultimatedjf said:
The best issue so far.

1.5/5 Tafts

:)
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Meow!

Anyhow - just read this issue.

Scarlet Witch created the Savage Land - unnecessary, but kind of cool.

As for the rest of it... why was Wundagore name dropped? Do we need Ka-Zar and Shanna? Isn't this series already brimming with two titles worth of characters? Is Cap REALLY Black Panther? Is Cap REALLY that pissed off that he missed the civil rights movements and wants in on it now?

Let's look at this - Cap... for SOME reason... lets his ex-girlfriend who's a SCIENTIST take over a SUPERHUMAN EX-MILITARY force (that's like Hannibal letting Amy Amanda "Triple A" Allen take over the A-Team), but then goes and dresses up as another superhero entirely. How childish can you get? Every time Wasp makes an order contradicting Cap he dresses up as Panther and carries them out?

Also - Loeb goes on about the subtleties and the mysteries his title has. He doesn't know how to write either. It's not a subtlety when every one of Pietro's lines reference how much he loves his sister (and it seems now, his mother too). It's not subtlety to mention when Cap is around that Panther isn't and vice-versa in every scene one of them is in. It's not subtlety to simply not give any form of clue or exposition in order to create mystery. Nor is it mystery when there are no clues, just random events. It's not mystery when plot points are simply told by a new character who just arrived to the other characters without any conflict or progression. Wolverine shows up and explains all the plot he knows so far. That's not a mystery.

Props though - the scene where Iron Man looks at Janet and is a robot properly shocked me. I was properly unnerved by it, despite the hammy deliverance. It was a good, well-drawn moment (even if, in the background, two robots pop up out of nowhere).

It is, however, another example of "no mystery". There are no clues. At all. Someone, in #4 will walk on panel and go, "Didn't any of you ask this question? No? Well... I'm going to tell you the answer anyway. You're so dumb."

Not a mystery.
 
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Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

I bet there will be an interview with Loeb shortly where this question will pop up

Q. Mr. Loeb about the Black Panther, I have noticed that he and Captain America have not been on panel together as of yet, what would you say the odds of them being the same person are?

A. Well it's quite simple really Black Panther and Captain America have appeared on panel together, they are clearly not the same person, because they were both on the cover of #1

Loeb's so smart :roll:
 
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Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

Ultimate Houde said:
Seriously, saying this is a vast improvement over the first two, means absolute ****.

Cause the first two were pieces of crap, and here, it's still crap with bits of shiny crap thrown in.

And are you honestly excited over Ka-zar and Sheena?

Seriously?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:lol:

I still haven't read it. I'll get around to it. I'll laugh. I'll cry. I'll go a little crazy...and another nail will be pounded into the coffin of the Ultimates.


AAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

THE RAGE!!!

JEPH LOEB'S WRITING BRINGS THE RAGE INTO DIRISHB!!!!
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

Bass said:
:D Welcome!



Meow!

Anyhow - just read this issue.

Scarlet Witch created the Savage Land - unnecessary, but kind of cool.

As for the rest of it... why was Wundagore name dropped? Do we need Ka-Zar and Shanna? Isn't this series already brimming with two titles worth of characters? Is Cap REALLY Black Panther? Is Cap REALLY that pissed off that he missed the civil rights movements and wants in on it now?

Let's look at this - Cap... for SOME reason... lets his ex-girlfriend who's a SCIENTIST take over a SUPERHUMAN EX-MILITARY force (that's like Hannibal letting Amy Amanda "Triple A" Allen take over the A-Team), but then goes and dresses up as another superhero entirely. How childish can you get? Every time Wasp makes an order contradicting Cap he dresses up as Panther and carries them out?

Also - Loeb goes on about the subtleties and the mysteries his title has. He doesn't know how to write either. It's not a subtlety when every one of Pietro's lines reference how much he loves his sister (and it seems now, his mother too). It's not subtlety to mention when Cap is around that Panther isn't and vice-versa in every scene one of them is in. It's not subtlety to simply not give any form of clue or exposition in order to create mystery. Nor is it mystery when there are no clues, just random events. It's not mystery when plot points are simply told by a new character who just arrived to the other characters without any conflict or progression. Wolverine shows up and explains all the plot he knows so far. That's not a mystery.

Props though - the scene where Iron Man looks at Janet and is a robot properly shocked me. I was properly unnerved by it, despite the hammy deliverance. It was a good, well-drawn moment (even if, in the background, two robots pop up out of nowhere).

It is, however, another example of "no mystery". There are no clues. At all. Someone, in #4 will walk on panel and go, "Didn't any of you ask this question? No? Well... I'm going to tell you the answer anyway. You're so dumb."

Not a mystery.
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I laughed so hard at that post, that I threw up in my mouth a bit. But no worries, I swallowed.
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

My point exactly about this, there isn't any clues, just another random guest star giving out information.

I predict the final issue will be the big bad, exposing himself and his plan for half the final issue, and then Black Panther reveal, and fight scene.

Why did the Iron Man Robot reveal himself by taking off it's mask? Because Loeb had no other idea on how to reveal it. SLoppy writing.

****ing Shanna and Ka-Zar....
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #3 discussion [spoilers]

I know.

Why did the Iron Man robot say "It's a DNA bullet meant for Scarlet Witch"?

Surely - the POINT of it being a DNA bullet - is so that it hits one target. Which it did.

They're deducing 'clues' that aren't 'clues', but obvious facts.

Like, Venom. The 'clue' is Venom is after a "her" or "she". He SAYS its not Wasp and not Valkyrie.

That leaves Scarlet Witch.

That's... how is that a mystery to anyone? It's ****ing obvious from the first issue he's after Scarlet Witch.

The ONLY way it can't be Scarlet Witch is if Loeb decides to just be 'cunning' and have Venom be 'wrong' in some way. For example, Venom could be 'wrong' in assuming "she" is alive, when in fact "she" is dead; Black Widow or Magda Lehnsherr. Or he could be 'wrong' by thinking 'she' is an Ultimate; Shanna.

Basically, unless - and there's no clue even HINTING at this - unless Loeb decides Venom made a mistake on his rampage, Venom is after an living, Ultimate member that's a woman.

That means Wasp, Valkyrie, or Scarlet Witch.

Venom said it wasn't Wasp or Valkyrie.

How is that a subtle mystery or anything else? It's VAGUE. Not subtle. Venom basically stormed in and said, "I must kill the Scarlet Witch!"

Good for him.

Oh - and Spidey's guest appearance is still completely pointless.
 
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