Ultimates 3 #1-5 discussion [Loeb/Madureira] [spoilers]

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Not a bad start for Loeb's first Ultimates issue the title lives up to the name in the first frame. "Sex, Lies, & DVD, as we see most of the team watching a video of Tony and Natalia having... relations. And it seems as if the whole team is in a really bad mood.

So there they are Hawkeye, Jan, Tony, Thor, Black Panther (of which we don't see how he joins) the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver watching this dvd thats being sold everywhere. and Venom comes crashing in looking for quote n' quote her. So the fight begins. Hawkeye charges in without a thought while Jan scream at him to wait for backup. The Panther starts in and starts kicking tale so Venom throws him arcoss town. Hawkeye jumps in and Venom... webs his face. All of a sudden Valkyrie jumps in and nearly slices Venom in half. Venom takes her sword away and is about to strike when Thor sends a lighting bolt at him, rendering him unable to... collect himself. Hawkeye wants to just end Venom but Janet stops him by saying "What the hell is wrong with you Clint. Hawkeye then turns his gun on her and says: "You call me That name in public one more time and I'll drop you right here in the street." Janet: "Get that gun out of my face. For good or for bad, I run this team. I tell you to wait for backup, you wait for back up." Hawkeye: I went out to put the man down. That's my job. what else do you expect me to do?" What makes you think I'm trying to get killed." Jan relplys and Hawkeye take off to look for Panther.

Back inside we se Wanda and Pietro talking Cap tells wanda that: I may be overstepping my boundes, but my feeling is that we should be setting an example." Pietro: and..? Cap: And, I'm of the opinion that Wanda might want to wear something.. less revealing out in public. Pietro: You're right, Captain- Cap: I'm glad you- Pietro: -You have overstepped you pathetic boundaries." They tack off and Cap is left to talk with Janet and Hawkeye. Cap doesn't get it and both Jan and Hawkeye explain that Wanda and Pietro are in love with each other.

Else where Jan goes to talk to Hank it seems like Hank is lost in his work when Jan goes to wake him and she sees that hank has O.D.ed. Back with the wonder twins we see them talking as people snap pictures, a shot rings out and Pietro runs to stop it he thinks he has it but it went through his hand and into Wanda. Wanda falls Pietro holds her close, a Doctor in the crowd comes over and trys to help but it's to late Wanda is Dead...
 

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Re: Ultimates 3 #1 spoiler/discussion

Seems like it's lost all subtlety Millar had (and Millar's not a subtle person...) :?
 

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Re: Ultimates 3 #1 spoiler/discussion

wait wait

i only read the first line cuz i want to avoid spoilers, but did you say Natalia? isn't she dead? or is there a new Black Widow?

please tell me there isn't a continuity faux pah in the first page
 

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Re: Ultimates 3 #1 spoiler/discussion

wait wait

i only read the first line cuz i want to avoid spoilers, but did you say Natalia? isn't she dead? or is there a new Black Widow?

please tell me there isn't a continuity faux pah in the first page
No, it's a DVD made from the day the Liberators attacked in issue vol. 2 #9
 

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Re: Ultimates 3 #1 spoiler/discussion

wow. wanda dead, hank maybe dead, valkyrie? ugh ugh ugh. glad i stopped collecting.
 

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Re: Ultimates 3 #1 spoiler/discussion

I enjoyed it. It immediately starts to shake things up, which is fun. The minute they started outing the Wanda/Pietro relationship I had a bad feeling. Killing Wanda? Wow.

I am still unsure about Wasp of all people being a GENERAL! Loeb will need a pretty darn cool story to make me buy that one. I am looking forward to the mystery being revealed about Valkeryie, Black Panther, and some of the other change-ups, though.
 

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Its difficult to find too much fault really - all this did was open some storylines - its their continuation and resolution that will suggest the retroactive merit of the issue.

Interesting enough...the art was interesting, but distracting - kind of like Bachalo in Ultimate War

I'm still interested (and that's a victory, Loeb!)
 

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Re: Ultimates 3 #1 spoiler/discussion

wait wait

i only read the first line cuz i want to avoid spoilers, but did you say Natalia? isn't she dead? or is there a new Black Widow?

please tell me there isn't a continuity faux pah in the first page
Nope, no continuity error. I'll spoil you this:
A sex tape of Tony and Natasha is leaked to the public, hence the title of the series "Sex, Lies, & Dvd" ,and thats why she was mentioned. At least as far as this issue is concerned, Natasha/Black Widow is still dead
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I hated the issue. Maybe its the fact thats its such a departure from Millar & Hitch. Maybe its the fact that the dialogue was forced and/or just plain stupid, but none of the characters said or did anything worthwhile. It could be that I really don't care about any of the plotlines. The ending just didn't make sense to me. Quicksilver should've just matched speed with the bullet and flicked it into a wall or something. Maybe he's been depowered some, or Loeb is just going in a different direction with the character and just wanted to write another greiving, semi-suicidal loner like Hawkeye. Maybe its the fact that besides Thor, none of the big guns played much of a part (barely any Tony or Cap, no mention of Banner/Hulk). The art was nice in its own way, but was horrible in terms of telling the story. Maybe it'll get better, but if the stupid, pointless blatter of the team members and villains is going to become the norm, I'm going to find it hard not to throw up when reading the next issue.

I give this one a 1/5...at least Loeb (intentionally or unintentionally) kinda fixed a timeline issue. Like I said, I'll give the next couple issues a fair shot, but I'm not expecting much.
 

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Exactly. Well put!
Thank you. And I really hate that. Mad has a distinct style and thats well and good, but he didn't show me in this issue he could progress the story with his images, which truthfully are all pose shots or fight scenes.

The whole stupid costume thing (I'm looking at you, Hawkeye, and that stupid ****ing bullseye on your forehead), the dumbass banter during the fights, the overloaded and unnecessary exposition crammed into the dialogue bubbles...I really disliked this issue. A lot. Bleechh. I just threw up in my mouth a little thinking about it.
 
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Re: Ultimates 3 #1 spoiler/discussion

I actualy liked this issue,then again anyone is better than millar.Also Pietro did catch the bullet it just went threw his hands.

Oh and of corse there was a drastic change.Happends every time theres a change in writers jesus cristo.

When did Valkery get powers?Thor is totally robing the cradle.
 

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Re: Ultimates 3 #1 spoiler/discussion

I just want to make it known that i don't understand the big attraction of the Wasp

all this talk that "You can't have the Avengers without Jan" is rediculous, i mean she's about as interesting as Ms. Marvel (not exactly a compliment), and they put her in charge of the Ultimates instead of say CAP or uh TONY, it's bullcrap

while she has demonstrated some competency in this incarnation she hasn't done anything noteworthy enough to put her in charge of this team
 

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Re: Ultimates 3 #1 spoiler/discussion

I just want to make it known that i don't understand the big attraction of the Wasp

all this talk that "You can't have the Avengers without Jan" is rediculous, i mean she's about as interesting as Ms. Marvel (not exactly a compliment), and they put her in charge of the Ultimates instead of say CAP or uh TONY, it's bullcrap

while she has demonstrated some competency in this incarnation she hasn't done anything noteworthy enough to put her in charge of this team


Well Tony is not leading becouse he's a rich drunk and cap.......doesnt have a myspace and he has a 1940's mentality(i.e. he's a racist).
and ms.marvel rocks what are you talking about?
 

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Well Tony is not leading becouse he's a rich drunk and cap.......doesnt have a myspace and he has a 1940's mentality(i.e. he's a racist).
and ms.marvel rocks what are you talking about?
Thor, then. Wasp is so insignificant and it just kind of annoys me when they make her more important then she should be.
 

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Re: Ultimates 3 #1 spoiler/discussion

I actualy liked this issue,then again anyone is better than millar.Also Pietro did catch the bullet it just went threw his hands.

Oh and of corse there was a drastic change.Happends every time theres a change in writers jesus cristo.

When did Valkery get powers?Thor is totally robing the cradle.
This is why you're Venom Melendez.
 

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