Dr.Strangefate
He Sees You When You're Sleeping. He Knows When Yo
I wish he'd give up on doing the art on 6, and work on 7, it's going to be weird to see a dramatic shift in art style for the final issue of the story.
Final Crisis series discussion [spoilers]
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thee great one
Master of TOG-fu.
I rather see him finish it.
Delays be damned.
Delays be damned.
Yeah, at this point they might as well wait for him to finish.
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
I just read the article and now I feel bad for him. I really hope he doesn't leave comics, either. That'd make me really sad.
Ultimate Houde
UC's Resident Genetic Recombinator
So Final Crisis Submit leads directly into Final Crisis 4.
And they are good stories.
Too bad it's depressing.
But I like how the circuit Tattoo Man has is the symbol that Metron gave Anthor.
And they are good stories.
Too bad it's depressing.
But I like how the circuit Tattoo Man has is the symbol that Metron gave Anthor.
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Dr.Strangefate
He Sees You When You're Sleeping. He Knows When Yo
The story is picking up quickly... I just wish the tie-ins came out more often, so i could get a taste of it week by week, like i can with Secret Invasion.
ProjectX2
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This is epic. So much seems to be happening in each issue. Turpin being the host body for Darkseid is scary. I don't know how good is supposed to win.
Also, The Flashes are so cool in this. I can't wait for Rebirth after seeing how well they work together.
Also, The Flashes are so cool in this. I can't wait for Rebirth after seeing how well they work together.
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Grocer Man
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They don't.
Lex saves the day and spends the following year or so rubbing it in Superman's face.
Zombipanda
My Boom-Boom's mostly gay
So, I guess I'm in the minority here, but I just picked up a stack of Final Crisis books yesterday (FC 4, the last Rogue's Revenge, the newest Revelations, and Submit) and I felt like it was a huge down-grade from what led up to it. Maybe my mind will change when I have a chance to read them again, but I won't have an opportunity to do that for a minute, as I'm currently out of town at a hooker and cocaine convention. But I was decently disappointed. But the recent issues seemed, to me, to suffer from the problems people complained about in the earlier issues. Not much happened. The setup has been great, brimming with all sorts of goofy high concepts, but this latest batch has been comparatively mediocre.
Johns threw a whole lot of interesting complications into the whole Rogues/Flash mix: Zoom taking on Inertia as an apprentice, WW's son as a bargaining chip, and Libra manipulating all the sides to temper the Rogues into a Flash kill-squad. He even gave value to the next-generation rogues that were so terribly handled in Gotham Underground. But the follow-through was pretty generic. Libra's appearance basically stripped away the character's potency and revealed him as just another ineffectual sycophant. I guess that was the point, but it was pretty well disappointing. The dialog between Zoom and Inertia seemed super-hammy and really didn't inject any interest into the two characters. Zoom seems in the same "I'm going to beat you to death with my motivations!" boat as Superboy-Prime. I think the implications in the extent of Zoom's powers are interesting, but since him and Inertia are out of the picture now, a follow-up doesn't seem likely in the near future. In the end, the only real ramifications seem to be exactly what we could have gathered from the earliest solicits. Inertia's out of the picture, and the old gang is back together. Stay tuned for Flash: Rebirth (Which, actually, will probably be totally kick ***)! Still, the idea of Inertia being groomed as Darkseid's messenger was *****in', even if it was relegated to a throw-away line.
Revelations just seemed incredibly preachy: characters going back and forth about the religious implications of mercy and judgment, hemming and hawing about pseudo-philosophy that's really self-evident. Savage as Cain is a pretty wicked idea, but we weren't really given anything to indicate that Cain is really any more special than any generic fictional psychopath. Incidentally, I don't think the mobs of anti-life
Then there's Submit, which felt like a fairly simple story that lives and dies on the art. There's not a whole lot to it, but there doesn't need to be. It read like it should have been a balls-to-the-wall Mad Max action story in the heart of the city. But the art felt too sloppy and muddled to convey the action properly.
And FC 4, while it had its moments, just felt like it lost so much of the momentum that the first three issues had gained. I thought the first three issues were sublime. The dialogue was hard to pierce and overflowing with ominous implications, the panels and art were richly detailed and menacingly cut, and each page seemed simply brimming with kooky high concepts. A good deal of this seemed to fall apart in the most recent ish. The conversations seemed far more over-explanatory, lacking in subtext. The art, while certainly not bad, was far more inconsistent. I really, really, really wish JG Jones had been able to stay on as the solo artist on this because the parts that were done by him (at least the ones that I'm presuming were drawn by him) were pretty damn stunning. The shots of anti-life zombies toiling and at play were disturbing in a way that none of the spin-offs even came close to conveying. Few of the interesting subplots of the earlier issues were really addressed. While I recognize that the tone needed to shift to gear up the plot, it just wasn't a satisfying transition. It just felt like a rather typical "Look at the good guys battle the bad guys" type issue, far more in line with Secret Invasion than with what we've seen in this story so far, and I've got to speculate if editorial mandate had something to do with it. But it all felt just so.... expected. I guess I was just anticipating so much more from the promise of "all hell breaks loose". The visions of a world twisted by Darkseid's will didn't really live up to expectations for me, and even the action sequences seemed fairly generic. Look at the brutality of the Mary/Wonder Woman fight set beside the showdown between the Flashes and the Furies, and there's just no comparison. That said, there were some really slick strokes at play. The Tattooed Man concealing Metron's glyph in his skin. The revelation of the Watchtowers (even if they were mostly predictable). The extrapolation of Darkseid's fall, tumbling backwards through time, pulling the multiverse along with him. And that final assumption by Darkseid of Turpin's body was everything that the Anakin to Vader transition should have been. The issue was good enough, but it really didn't live up to the bar that was set with the first three issues. I'm hoping the next issue will really pick the pace back up, and the finale will rise back to the quality of the opening.
Johns threw a whole lot of interesting complications into the whole Rogues/Flash mix: Zoom taking on Inertia as an apprentice, WW's son as a bargaining chip, and Libra manipulating all the sides to temper the Rogues into a Flash kill-squad. He even gave value to the next-generation rogues that were so terribly handled in Gotham Underground. But the follow-through was pretty generic. Libra's appearance basically stripped away the character's potency and revealed him as just another ineffectual sycophant. I guess that was the point, but it was pretty well disappointing. The dialog between Zoom and Inertia seemed super-hammy and really didn't inject any interest into the two characters. Zoom seems in the same "I'm going to beat you to death with my motivations!" boat as Superboy-Prime. I think the implications in the extent of Zoom's powers are interesting, but since him and Inertia are out of the picture now, a follow-up doesn't seem likely in the near future. In the end, the only real ramifications seem to be exactly what we could have gathered from the earliest solicits. Inertia's out of the picture, and the old gang is back together. Stay tuned for Flash: Rebirth (Which, actually, will probably be totally kick ***)! Still, the idea of Inertia being groomed as Darkseid's messenger was *****in', even if it was relegated to a throw-away line.
Revelations just seemed incredibly preachy: characters going back and forth about the religious implications of mercy and judgment, hemming and hawing about pseudo-philosophy that's really self-evident. Savage as Cain is a pretty wicked idea, but we weren't really given anything to indicate that Cain is really any more special than any generic fictional psychopath. Incidentally, I don't think the mobs of anti-life
Then there's Submit, which felt like a fairly simple story that lives and dies on the art. There's not a whole lot to it, but there doesn't need to be. It read like it should have been a balls-to-the-wall Mad Max action story in the heart of the city. But the art felt too sloppy and muddled to convey the action properly.
And FC 4, while it had its moments, just felt like it lost so much of the momentum that the first three issues had gained. I thought the first three issues were sublime. The dialogue was hard to pierce and overflowing with ominous implications, the panels and art were richly detailed and menacingly cut, and each page seemed simply brimming with kooky high concepts. A good deal of this seemed to fall apart in the most recent ish. The conversations seemed far more over-explanatory, lacking in subtext. The art, while certainly not bad, was far more inconsistent. I really, really, really wish JG Jones had been able to stay on as the solo artist on this because the parts that were done by him (at least the ones that I'm presuming were drawn by him) were pretty damn stunning. The shots of anti-life zombies toiling and at play were disturbing in a way that none of the spin-offs even came close to conveying. Few of the interesting subplots of the earlier issues were really addressed. While I recognize that the tone needed to shift to gear up the plot, it just wasn't a satisfying transition. It just felt like a rather typical "Look at the good guys battle the bad guys" type issue, far more in line with Secret Invasion than with what we've seen in this story so far, and I've got to speculate if editorial mandate had something to do with it. But it all felt just so.... expected. I guess I was just anticipating so much more from the promise of "all hell breaks loose". The visions of a world twisted by Darkseid's will didn't really live up to expectations for me, and even the action sequences seemed fairly generic. Look at the brutality of the Mary/Wonder Woman fight set beside the showdown between the Flashes and the Furies, and there's just no comparison. That said, there were some really slick strokes at play. The Tattooed Man concealing Metron's glyph in his skin. The revelation of the Watchtowers (even if they were mostly predictable). The extrapolation of Darkseid's fall, tumbling backwards through time, pulling the multiverse along with him. And that final assumption by Darkseid of Turpin's body was everything that the Anakin to Vader transition should have been. The issue was good enough, but it really didn't live up to the bar that was set with the first three issues. I'm hoping the next issue will really pick the pace back up, and the finale will rise back to the quality of the opening.
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Bass
Nexus of the World
DID WE LEARN NOTHING FROM ULTIMATES 2?!?!
Based on that quote, I now am actually interested in Final Crisis.
That is pretty wicked, actually.
Random
Didn't **** any of those *****es
That if you delay a book long enough after the universe around it has gone to hell, you can still wait for the last shimmering light before the end?
mike3717
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I think this event is great so far. The last issue is by far the darkest I have ever seen a mainstream comic get. And I think it has been WAY better than SI in terms of big company wide summer events. I can't wait for SI to be over. I can't wait to see how FC ends.
ProjectX2
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Mr. Terrific just activated all of the OMACs to help the resistance.
Ultimate Houde
UC's Resident Genetic Recombinator
I liked the Resist issue.
And I want to have a roll in the hay with Cheetah.
And I want to have a roll in the hay with Cheetah.
Ninja4peace
Well-Known Member
omg!
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
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Willverine
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I'm still on the fence about Final Crisis. It's turning out better than I'd expected, and is just slightly better than Secret Invasion which is quickly losing my interest. Still, I'm honestly enjoying the crossovers more than the core mini. I just finished reading Resist and Rage of the Red Lanterns, both of them were great.
My only complaint right now is about Resist, though...
I just want to know when Mr. Terrific will get a redesign. I can't take the character seriously because of the outdated/logic-defying outfit. On one hand, he looks like an extra from New Jack City or almost any Spike Lee joint from the late 1980's... on the other hand he could've been in Smokey and the Bandit or Six Pack with that jacket. Did the Cross Colours bus hit those clothes onto him circa 1990 so that he can never change his outfit? Is Mr. Terrific gonna make you "Jump, Jump"? Or maybe he's going to jump in a stock car and race for a trophy, or bootleg a truckload of Coors from Texarkana to Atlanta. You know he probably carries an old cassette Walkman around, and I bet if you looked inside of it you would either find a PM Dawn tape or a dubbed copy of "Eastbound and Down".
My only complaint right now is about Resist, though...
I just want to know when Mr. Terrific will get a redesign. I can't take the character seriously because of the outdated/logic-defying outfit. On one hand, he looks like an extra from New Jack City or almost any Spike Lee joint from the late 1980's... on the other hand he could've been in Smokey and the Bandit or Six Pack with that jacket. Did the Cross Colours bus hit those clothes onto him circa 1990 so that he can never change his outfit? Is Mr. Terrific gonna make you "Jump, Jump"? Or maybe he's going to jump in a stock car and race for a trophy, or bootleg a truckload of Coors from Texarkana to Atlanta. You know he probably carries an old cassette Walkman around, and I bet if you looked inside of it you would either find a PM Dawn tape or a dubbed copy of "Eastbound and Down".
J. Agamemnon
Well-Known Member
Listen to yourself. Have you seen rappers lately? T-Pain? Soulja Boy? Case rested. Mr. Terrific is fine for the black demographic. And no one disses the New Jack City.
