Ultimatum series discussion [spoilers]

Lil Brother said:
Ah, good, I'm not the only one. This is not Ultimates 1-2, but it's not Ultimates 3 either. I'd actually put it in the "mediocre" category, even though some lines are off, the majority of the deaths serve little purpose, Reed being an idiot, and the story just being characters coming across one random development in a little three-page scene and then shifting off to another character for their own three-page scene and so on.

Also, it really sucks to be Wasp in any universe now.

In process, rather graphic (for UU).
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Well, I must say- sounds boring. She was a good character, but I guess it's not really the same as if this had directly followed Ultimates 2.
It's been long enough between now and then that this isn't even the same Universe. It's Loeb's wonderful ACTION BLOCKBUSTER BAM WOW machine, the same process that brought us such deep-thought masterpieces as HULK, Ultimates 3, and Heroes.

Maybe on its own, Ultimatum is fine. But I can't separate it from the fact that these are characters I cared about being tossed to the side like they're nothing but sources of splash pages and cheap shocks.
 
Sacred&Profane said:
Well, I must say- sounds boring. She was a good character, but I guess it's not really the same as if this had directly followed Ultimates 2.
It's been long enough between now and then that this isn't even the same Universe. It's Loeb's wonderful ACTION BLOCKBUSTER BAM WOW machine, the same process that brought us such deep-thought masterpieces as HULK, Ultimates 3, and Heroes.

Maybe on its own, Ultimatum is fine. But I can't separate it from the fact that these are characters I cared about being tossed to the side like they're nothing but sources of splash pages and cheap shocks.
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Oh, yeah, without a doubt. At this point, I've pretty much been treating the Ultimate Universe in the same way I do post-One More Day Spider-Man: just pretend it's some little pock universe somewhere to avoid getting too annoyed.

Not the way it should be happening, and maybe I'm rather weak-willed for accepting it, but I honestly don't care enough about Ultimate Marvel any more to be concerned. Even if it does cost money...
 
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Lil Brother said:
Oh, yeah, without a doubt. At this point, I've pretty much been treating the Ultimate Universe in the same way I do post-One More Day Spider-Man: just pretend it's some little pock universe somewhere to avoid getting too annoyed.

Not the way it should be happening, and maybe I'm rather weak-willed for accepting it, but I honestly don't care enough about Ultimate Marvel any more to be concerned. Even if it does cost money...
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It doesn't cost me money anymore.

It may be illegal, and against the TOS, but torrent this **** illegally if you're going to bother at all.

Money only encourages them.
 
I don't think you guys are catching my drift... Or this issue's for that matter. Captain America, at one point, is pretty much dead. Tony Stark drops him off -- he's not breathing at that point. Then, without explanation, he's fighting along side Thor in Valhalla... It's not going to be just Capt. America that comes back, I'll bet anything. There are characters that I wish would stay dead now that they are (Xavier, for example) but there are others that will, without a doubt return. Think about it. This is why I think the parts that weren't all that prominent now will become much more important by the end of Ultimatum.
 
IF all the heroes are revived- or even just a few of them- this is going to be similar to Kirkman's run all over again. Dead professor, dues ex machina raising the dead back to life with no real explanation.

Only on a Universe-wide scale.

Oh, Joy.
 
Sacred&Profane said:
IF all the heroes are revived- or even just a few of them- this is going to be similar to Kirkman's run all over again. Dead professor, dues ex machina raising the dead back to life with no real explanation.

Only on a Universe-wide scale.

Oh, Joy.
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thee great one said:
This was so horrible. Not even a good premise or idea anywhere to be found.

It makes me sick.
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Agreed to both.

Yes, this issue wasn't as completely inane and terrible as the first, but its become apparent that Ultimatum is all about killing off characters. It seems the special alternate covers feature the (or one of the) characters to die in that issue, so it looks like Yellowjacket is next.

Blob eating Wasp? Sure, it was shocking, but thats it. The dialogue was a little better, not as jarringly bad or wince-inducing as the first, but it was still rough.

The only good part of the issue was Magneto breaking Xavier's neck. His conclusion that it had to be done to prevent Charles from stopping him again makes perfect sense to a lunatic such as Mags. I liked that. It would be nice, too, but you know at the end Xavier (and a fair amount of other characters) will come back to life. Thor will prevail over Hela and return dead souls to Earth :roll: , or Xavier is mind-****ing Magneto and this is all in his head :sick: , or some other such lame attempt to "reset" the Ultimate universe.

I can't wait for this to be over and for Ultimate Avengers to start.
 
DIrishB said:
Agreed to both.

Yes, this issue wasn't as completely inane and terrible as the first, but its become apparent that Ultimatum is all about killing off characters. It seems the special alternate covers feature the (or one of the) characters to die in that issue, so it looks like Yellowjacket is next.

Blob eating Wasp? Sure, it was shocking, but thats it. The dialogue was a little better, not as jarringly bad or wince-inducing as the first, but it was still rough.

The only good part of the issue was Magneto breaking Xavier's neck. His conclusion that it had to be done to prevent Charles from stopping him again makes perfect sense to a lunatic such as Mags. I liked that. It would be nice, too, but you know at the end Xavier (and a fair amount of other characters) will come back to life. Thor will prevail over Hela and return dead souls to Earth :roll: , or Xavier is mind-****ing Magneto and this is all in his head :sick: , or some other such lame attempt to "reset" the Ultimate universe.

I can't wait for this to be over and for Ultimate Avengers to start.
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In all honesty? I absolutely adore the idea that Magneto would simply decide to kill Xavier after losing to him so many times. You kind of wonder why he hasn't in 616 already.

However, the way it was done- Magneto simply walking up to him- was poor, and the context in which Ultimatum takes place (a UU where Xavier's presence has been minimized completely for almost two years), makes it less of an event.

I mean, we haven't had a story where Xavier was worth **** since before Kirkman.
 
This was just horrible.

Loeb has disappointed me on so many levels. Going into it, I was pretty sure what the form of the story was going to be. Looking at all the different threads leading into Ultimatum (even the stupid ones), I'd found a way that builds off all of the threads and at least had the seeds of a potentially interesting story. And I was sure that was going to be the shape of things. My final prognosis was going to be "It's got a pinch of potential but Loeb will **** it up". Now I've picked up the first couple of issues of this drivel, and it's even worse. Just absolutely mother****ing, incoherently and senselessly bad.

What is wrong with you, Jeph Loeb? What's wrong with Marvel editorial?
 
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Sacred&Profane said:
In all honesty? I absolutely adore the idea that Magneto would simply decide to kill Xavier after losing to him so many times. You kind of wonder why he hasn't in 616 already.

However, the way it was done- Magneto simply walking up to him- was poor, and the context in which Ultimatum takes place (a UU where Xavier's presence has been minimized completely for almost two years), makes it less of an event.

I mean, we haven't had a story where Xavier was worth **** since before Kirkman.
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Completely agree.
 
I liked the Blob/Wasp page. It was completely out of character for Blob and gratuitous, but it was actually effective. I stopped for a moment. Good bit.

But that was it. We had Cap and Thor fighting Hela's armies (WTF?) and Magneto killing Xavier in a stupid fashion; he just snaps his neck. Magneto is the guy who spears him with a metal pole to cripple him, but just 'snaps' his neck. Xavier has a wheelchair. Magneto should've ****ed him up with that.

Also, Reed is acting like a prick. And I don't get why or how Fury will help. But then, I don't much care.
 
mike3717 said:
Nothing. This book is Marvels top seller cuz people keep buying it. Even when they know it sucks. Do you really expect Marvel to cancel or change their #1selling book? If you don't like it and want to send Marvel a message.....STOP BUYING THE PIECE OF SH|T!!!!

Duh?!?!?!
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Wait. Who are you again?

I haven't spent a red cent on any Ultimate books since the last issue of U2.

And regardless of sales figures, there are still standards. Batman & Robin had a great opening weekend, but it still derailed the franchise for years and years. Ultimatum is supposed to be a shot in the arm to revitalize the whole imprint. That's a pretty big deal, and sales figures from a first issue are a lot to stake an entire line on. They have to look at the long-term health of the line beyond the event. I'd be interested to see what sales are like starting with issue two.
 
so ive been reading Squadron Supreme to see whats happening with Fury, (and i am most likely gonna cancel it soon). and my main question is, if they bring fury back in ultimatum, how can he be in the supreme verse 6 years from now? (the SS book is taking place 6 years after the Ultimates War)


and yeah, i know.. its not worth an answer cuz there is no logical one..
 
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because the six years from now in SS verse is now in the ultimate universe.
 
Yea, I mean -- what will bringing back Nick Fury do? Where is Rick Jones, Black Panther, and the Watchers? What does the Norse god-hood have to do with everything, too? I mean, there are all these questions, guys, but we're only at issue 2. Have some sort of faith that things will be tied up.
 
The story isn't that bad, honestly, in fact it's pretty cool. But the deaths make it terrible, unless they all come back at the end, which is what I've been saying will happen from the start, and the introduction of Hela makes it seem all the more likely.

But if they don't come back, that's so much wasted potential in those characters.
 
Fury will Legacy virus everyone, and then proceed to shoot Magneto in the back of his de-powered head.

Or do it without depowering everyone. Something along those lines.
 
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