Avengers movie discussion (news/etc.)
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Ultimate Houde
UC's Resident Genetic Recombinator
Never saw it so I can't comment.
But sure, I'll take the stance he's still alive.
But sure, I'll take the stance he's still alive.
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
There's still more Agent Coulson in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon (voiced by Clark himself) and he's been introduced into the Marvel Universe proper too.
Zombipanda
My Boom-Boom's mostly gay
Along with a hilariously contrived Sam Jackson Fury.
Eww pass. She's good being the quirky hipster friend, but not the Lady of Mischief.
Tilda Swinton, hands down. Hell, she should have been Male Loki as well, she does androgyny soooo well.
I mean seriously, look at this, she IS Loki
My dreamcast for Terry Gilliam's Thor was going to have a Loki playing both genders. The closest I could come up with was Helena Bonham Carter. But Tilda is too perfect. Consider your idea stolen.
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Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
Captain Canuck
The poster formerly known as captaincanuck65
:lol: :lol:
but yeah, that's a good point
but yeah, that's a good point
thee great one
Master of TOG-fu.
I always wanted Michelle Monaghan as female Loki.
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
What the cast will get paid for Avengers that includes bonuses.
"According to multiple knowledgeable sources, Iron Man/Tony Stark is set for a highflying payday of about $50 million once box-office bonuses and backend compensation are factored in. (Two sources claim the number could go higher than $50 million once the ultimate box-office haul of Avengers is known, but another cautions that it could be years before the final number is known.)
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As Marvel launched other hero pics that would lead up to Avengers, the studio struck hard bargains. Two sources say Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Jeremy Renner and Mark Ruffalo all signed on for small upfront fees and ultimately will make about $2 million to $3 million on Avengers with bonuses. Samuel L. Jackson and Scarlett Johansson, who signed deals to pop up in several Marvel movies, are said to be making about twice that for Avengers with bonuses."
"According to multiple knowledgeable sources, Iron Man/Tony Stark is set for a highflying payday of about $50 million once box-office bonuses and backend compensation are factored in. (Two sources claim the number could go higher than $50 million once the ultimate box-office haul of Avengers is known, but another cautions that it could be years before the final number is known.)
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As Marvel launched other hero pics that would lead up to Avengers, the studio struck hard bargains. Two sources say Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Jeremy Renner and Mark Ruffalo all signed on for small upfront fees and ultimately will make about $2 million to $3 million on Avengers with bonuses. Samuel L. Jackson and Scarlett Johansson, who signed deals to pop up in several Marvel movies, are said to be making about twice that for Avengers with bonuses."
Bass
Nexus of the World
Zombipanda said:
More plx.
mike3717
Well-Known Member
I finally saw this last night. It was very good. I agree that Ruffalo stole the show as Banner. My only minor complaints with it were I wish Hulk spoke more and why did they make Hulk walk like a gorilla? Other than that I can't find much to complain about with this flick. Oh and it's a bit tragic the aliens were such throwaways. All in all it was the best of the Marvel movies by far. Thanos at the end rocked! Although I am hoping that the Thanos tease was not for the next Avengers movie but for the Guardians of the Galaxy movie instead. But I doubt it.
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
I didn't even notice that.
Zombipanda
My Boom-Boom's mostly gay
It turns out Nick Fury had a black son that no one knew about. He was in the military and after Marvel's last big event he went on a grand adventure where he joined SHIELD, lost an eye, and shaved his head. And he's called Nick Fury know because even though Nick Fury Sr. disavowed all knowledge of his presence, he apparently didn't get rid of the birth certificate, and his mom named him after Nick, so as a grown man, he's taking his daddy's name.
mike3717
Well-Known Member
You're joking right?
Zombipanda
My Boom-Boom's mostly gay
Nope! And apparently 616-Coulson is his best pal.
Someone who's actually read it can probably give you better details than me, but you might have trouble finding someone who has.
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mike3717
Well-Known Member
Nope! And apparently 616-Coulson is his best pal.
Someone who's actually read it can probably give you better details than me, but you might have trouble finding someone who has.
I'll pass. Thanks.
TheManWithoutFear
#1 reason not to join UC
Sorry. Didn't realize there were two threads for this....
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thee great one
Master of TOG-fu.
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
The series is credited with Cullen Bunn, Matt Fraction, and Christopher Yost, but Yost wrote #6's script.
spidey said:
No no no...there's a difference between making a comic book a movie and making a movie comic book-y.
NOT COMIC BOOK-Y:
Avengers
X-Men First Class
Captain America
Iron Man
COMIC BOOK-Y:
Spider-Man 3
X-Men
Captain Canuck
The poster formerly known as captaincanuck65
well, depending on how you define comic book-y.
I'd say a norse god stealing a cosmic cube to open a portal into another realm so than an army of aliens can invade earth is pretty comic book-y.
So is a secret group of mutated teenagers stoping a Nazi scientist from escalating the cold war into nuclear armageddon.
Or a super soldier fighting a Nazi super soldier whose face burned off and turned into a red skull because he is trying to take over the world with the same aforementioned cosmic cube.
Iron Man is probably the only one of those movies that I think could be classified as "not comic book-y," but even in that one there are aspects.
Nolan's Batman movies fit the "not comic book-y" category the best.
But if by comic book-y you mean they don't try to make the film believable or serious and it comes off goofy, then I see what you're saying; I would just define comic book-y differently.
There are certain comic book tropes that, in my mind, shape whether something is "comic book-y." Some of those tropes can work in movies if they're done right ("the secret history of fill in the blank" in X-Men: First Class, "the villain and the hero are essentially the same, but with different values" in Cap, "nameless cosmic threat of the week bringing together an unlikely group of heroes" in the avengers, etc). But one tropes that would make a movie TOO comic book-y is "No one stays dead." That would cross a line and break the suspension of disbelief (which is stretched pretty thin in the Avengers, but done so well that you barely notice).
By the way, I made up the names of all those comic book tropes - in case you couldn't tell.
Except no one stays dead. I'm pretty sure that's a real one.
I'd say a norse god stealing a cosmic cube to open a portal into another realm so than an army of aliens can invade earth is pretty comic book-y.
So is a secret group of mutated teenagers stoping a Nazi scientist from escalating the cold war into nuclear armageddon.
Or a super soldier fighting a Nazi super soldier whose face burned off and turned into a red skull because he is trying to take over the world with the same aforementioned cosmic cube.
Iron Man is probably the only one of those movies that I think could be classified as "not comic book-y," but even in that one there are aspects.
Nolan's Batman movies fit the "not comic book-y" category the best.
But if by comic book-y you mean they don't try to make the film believable or serious and it comes off goofy, then I see what you're saying; I would just define comic book-y differently.
There are certain comic book tropes that, in my mind, shape whether something is "comic book-y." Some of those tropes can work in movies if they're done right ("the secret history of fill in the blank" in X-Men: First Class, "the villain and the hero are essentially the same, but with different values" in Cap, "nameless cosmic threat of the week bringing together an unlikely group of heroes" in the avengers, etc). But one tropes that would make a movie TOO comic book-y is "No one stays dead." That would cross a line and break the suspension of disbelief (which is stretched pretty thin in the Avengers, but done so well that you barely notice).
By the way, I made up the names of all those comic book tropes - in case you couldn't tell.
Except no one stays dead. I'm pretty sure that's a real one.
Zombipanda
My Boom-Boom's mostly gay
The way it should be handled is this.
Make a movie. Take the tropes that match the style and tone of the movie. But don't try to make a "comic book movie". Look at the character and try to translate it into the language of film.
It might be tautly shot crime thriller (The Dark Knight or Heat with Batman) or Indiana Jones serial action-adventure (Captain America, uh, more or less) but there's a dangerous trend of treating "superheroes" as a genre, and frankly, it became boring a long time ago. Embrace the aspects of the genre that match up to a movie rather than trying to shoehorn a script into the "comic book" category. I thought the first Iron Man was very ingrained as a cookie-cutter comic book movie, it just happened to have clever actors.
Make a movie. Take the tropes that match the style and tone of the movie. But don't try to make a "comic book movie". Look at the character and try to translate it into the language of film.
It might be tautly shot crime thriller (The Dark Knight or Heat with Batman) or Indiana Jones serial action-adventure (Captain America, uh, more or less) but there's a dangerous trend of treating "superheroes" as a genre, and frankly, it became boring a long time ago. Embrace the aspects of the genre that match up to a movie rather than trying to shoehorn a script into the "comic book" category. I thought the first Iron Man was very ingrained as a cookie-cutter comic book movie, it just happened to have clever actors.
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Captain Canuck said:
That's what I mean. Stuff like Magneto's magnet machine in X-Men; its just dumb comic book science. I can accept a guy getting bitten by a spider and getting spider powers because it's not dumb science. Of course it is impossible but it's not poorly done and there's a certain mystery about it that makes it believable in that setting.
DARKKNIGHT
Well-Known Member
I disagree. It's all dumb comic book science. By that I don't mean that it's stupid, only that the 'science' of comic books almost always has very little basis in reality. Radioactive spiders, gamma rays, kryptonite, etc, etc. The difference between your two examples is that the radioactive spiders have been a part of the character for decades. If Magneto making a magnet machine was a huge, well-known story in the history of X-Men comics, I don't think you would have as hard a time accepting it.
But, it all depends on how someone defines "comic booky". It's such a broad term that different people could conceptualize it very differently.
The thing about the Avengers, is that while it does embrace many "comic booky" elements, there are other things it changes because they would look silly on screen. This is true of the entire Marvel Films. After all you don't see Captain America running around with red pirate books and white wings coming off his helmet. I think there's a fine line between staying true to the source material and adapting it for the consumption by the general public. Some things found in comic books would seem ridiculous on a live action screen ... after all they are too different mediums. But whatever.
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