Mario Timeline

[Rojinn]

The Famicom and NES are basically the same console they really shouldn't be considered different, it's like the Super Famicom and the SNES, it's just a different design and name, it's the same technology and game library

Well, from a technical side, the Famicon and the NES are definetly different consoles, though that's a different topic ^^

 

[stphylcccs]

Source?

https://www.elmundotech.com/2016/09/30/shigeru-miyamoto-says-mario-is-24-years-old/

 

[Elly]

What only happens for real world courses? Also, there are Gregorian calendars on the Mushroom World, it would be unreasonable to do this if there was any time dilation

Not really? They'd simply race there in like the summer, wait a few weeks on Mario's planet, go back to Earth to do some more races and it would now be fall in their universe due to the time dilation, rinse and repeat for winter and spring, that's it

 

[stphylcccs]

I don't even think the Famicom and NES versions calling the character a different name is that contradictory, lots of games have different names for characters in different locations

 

[Rojinn]

https://www.elmundotech.com/2016/09/30/shigeru-miyamoto-says-mario-is-24-years-old/

Yeah, I am aware of that quote, but it does not state that that was his age in DK Arcade, I think we can take that as his age later on

 

[stphylcccs]

Not really? They'd simply race there in like the summer, wait a few weeks on Mario's planet, go back to Earth to do some more races and it would now be fall in their universe due to the time dilation, rinse and repeat for winter and spring, that's it

No, like, there are consistently Gregorian calendars used by normal people in the Mushroom World. The Gregorian calendar is the standard calendar in the Mushroom World, so it would be unreasonable to assume an entire planet would collectively use an inaccurate calendar simply because you can travel to another planet that uses that calendar

 

[Elly]

I don't even think the Famicom and NES versions calling the character a different name is that contradictory, lots of games have different names for characters in different locations

I don't think English localizations should really be taken as canon tbh, but that's just me. The only franchise I can think of where that kind of stuff has actually become canon is like Robotnik being eggmans real name and Kunio Kun games establishing river City ransom as canon separate events from the games they were localized off of

 

[Elly]

No, like, there are consistently Gregorian calendars used by normal people in the Mushroom World. The Gregorian calendar is the standard calendar in the Mushroom World, so it would be unreasonable to assume an entire planet would collectively use an inaccurate calendar simply because you can travel to another planet that uses that calendar

I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean

 

[stphylcccs]

I don't think English localizations should really be taken as canon tbh, but that's just me. The only franchise I can think of where that kind of stuff has actually become canon is like Robotnik being eggmans real name and Kunio Kun games establishing river City ransom as canon separate events from the games they were localized off of

Yeah, name differences shouldn't imply two separate events, since it's still one. The idea that the Famicom and NES versions both happen was just a passing thought

 

[stphylcccs]

I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean

The standardised calendar on Earth (Gregorian) is used to state the day, month, and year events happen on, since it shows how much time passes between events. This calendar is used on the Mushroom World, to show a sync in time, since Gregorian calendars would quickly become inaccurate on the Mushroom World as by the time a year has passed on Earth, it could only be a few days on the Mushroom World, which would massively misalign the standardised Mushroom World calendar, meaning there is no time dilation involved

 

[stphylcccs]

TBH, after considering the fully constructed New Donk City Tower in Bananza... yeah, I don't really see a problem with it being after. Putting it before was only to show a global showcase of DK's heroism, though it does seem that he's already well aquainted in Bananza. I don't see any problem with placing it on its release date, TBH

 

[Elly]

The standardised calendar on Earth (Gregorian) is used to state the day, month, and year events happen on, since it shows how much time passes between events. This calendar is used on the Mushroom World, to show a sync in time, since Gregorian calendars would quickly become inaccurate on the Mushroom World as by the time a year has passed on Earth, it could only be a few days on the Mushroom World, which would massively misalign the standardised Mushroom World calendar, meaning there is no time dilation involved

....that's like saying the Gregorian calendar in Marvel's 616 universe would become outdated because time there goes faster than the MCUs timeline and they both use the Gregorian calendar. Also one could argue Mario's Earth doesn't use the Gregorian calendar they could just use a visually similar one that could have a different origin than IRL earth, maybe it's year 0 is based off when the Pixl War occurred or something

 

[Rojinn]

The standardised calendar on Earth (Gregorian) is used to state the day, month, and year events happen on, since it shows how much time passes between events. This calendar is used on the Mushroom World, to show a sync in time, since Gregorian calendars would quickly become inaccurate on the Mushroom World as by the time a year has passed on Earth, it could only be a few days on the Mushroom World, which would massively misalign the standardised Mushroom World calendar, meaning there is no time dilation involved

Not entirely, in Paper Mario 1, they use montgs depicted as XO☆ symbols. Not thar I disagree with you, quite the opposite actually, just wanted to mention that there's a second calendar system aswell

 

[stphylcccs]

Not entirely, in Paper Mario 1, they use montgs depicted as XO☆ symbols. Not thar I disagree with you, quite the opposite actually, just wanted to mention that there's a second calendar system aswell

Paper Mario is the only case where this does not happen, since they had no connection to Earth, and thus didn't adopt the Gregorian calendar. This is more evidence in my case

 

[Rojinn]

....that's like saying the Gregorian calendar in Marvel's 616 universe would become outdated because time there goes faster than the MCUs timeline and they both use the Gregorian calendar. Also one could argue Mario's Earth doesn't use the Gregorian calendar they could just use a visually similar one that could have a different origin than IRL earth, maybe it's year 0 is based off when the Pixl War occurred or something

But besides the East Germany reference in F-1 Race, ehich has to take place the latest in 1990, there is no reason it couldn't line up

 

[Elly]

Not entirely, in Paper Mario 1, they use montgs depicted as XO☆ symbols. Not thar I disagree with you, quite the opposite actually, just wanted to mention that there's a second calendar system aswell

True yeah. Again I just think that Mario's Earth and Tour Earth have 2 different calendars, they could both be Gregorian but they both only apply to each universe as they run on different time dilation, like both are linear Mario's earth goes from 2000 to 2001 to 2002 etc, Tour Earth does too but every year that passes in Mario's world multiple years pass on Tour Earth. There's tons of Franchises where time speeds up depending on which dimension or universe you're in

 

[Elly]

Paper Mario is the only case where this does not happen, since they had no connection to Earth, and thus didn't adopt the Gregorian calendar. This is more evidence in my case

Paper Mario also happens in the main Mario universe too though, remember what I said about Goomboss and stuff earlier?

 

[Elly]

True yeah. Again I just think that Mario's Earth and Tour Earth have 2 different calendars, they could both be Gregorian but they both only apply to each universe as they run on different time dilation, like both are linear Mario's earth goes from 2000 to 2001 to 2002 etc, Tour Earth does too but every year that passes in Mario's world multiple years pass on Tour Earth. There's tons of Franchises where time speeds up depending on which dimension or universe you're in

Like, Spider-Man Noir takes place in the 1940s, and Spider verse happens in the 2010s, I don't think that means Spider-Man Noirs calendars are outdated, he just lives in a different universe where the time is a little different than other universes

 

[stphylcccs]

....that's like saying the Gregorian calendar in Marvel's 616 universe would become outdated because time there goes faster than the MCUs timeline and they both use the Gregorian calendar. Also one could argue Mario's Earth doesn't use the Gregorian calendar they could just use a visually similar one that could have a different origin than IRL earth, maybe it's year 0 is based off when the Pixl War occurred or something

616 and 199999 develop their Gregorian calendars separate to each other; they are their own calendars. They are not made to align with each other. It is well established that the two calendars do not align due to time dilation. The Gregorian calendars on Earth and the Mushroom World align with each other, so it is unreasonable to assume they don't. Furthermore, no time dilation occurs in Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 due to the millennium event still taking place, which only happens every 100 years for a few days at most. If no time dilation occurs here, why would you assume it occurs for the Mushroom World and Earth, under the basis that you want games to happen close together

The only event that definitively takes place in both the Paper and regular universes is Super Mario Bros. (and Paper Jam, I guess, but that's different). While it can be assumed that the Paper universe is similar to the normal world, clearly not every event that ever occurs is the same, otherwise there's no point in even establishing they're separate universes. Since the Paper Universe is a book, it can be assumed that most - if not all - normal world events occur in the Paper Universe, but not all Paper Universe events occur in the normal world.

 

[stphylcccs]

Like, Spider-Man Noir takes place in the 1940s, and Spider verse happens in the 2010s, I don't think that means Spider-Man Noirs calendars are outdated, he just lives in a different universe where the time is a little different than other universes

The Noir Universe is perpetually the 1940s. Also, I'd prefer to not use franchises that use floating timelines to justify ignoring dates