Spider-Man Amazing Spider-Man: Brand New Day (#546-567) (Spoilers)

[McCheese]

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CBR has posted the third part of their interview with Joe Q.

Read to find out that JMS is a trooper. A real pro. He has said that like 12 times in these interviews so I figure it must be important.

Read it to see why Sins Past was a great story and it's totally not his fault Norman was the father.

Read it to find out that Spider-Man getting a divorce would have tainted the character and created a controversy. Thank goodness the devil was there to make a deal so we didn't have to go down that road.

Read it to discover that Sam Raimi totally agrees that Peter should have never gotten married. Because when I have questions about Spider-Man I go to the ultimate authority on the subject: a movie director who has never written a comic and just made an absolutely horrendous third installment to the movie series.

Read it to discover how the silly fans aren't talking about the fact that Spider-Man's marriage was an editorial mandate so it's ok to end it with an editorial mandate. He thinks it's hilarious that no one has mentioned that.

In all seriousness his scorn for fandom is truly astonishing.

 

[Ice]

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So, to get this straight, OMD doesn't actually negate the previous 20 years of Spider-Man stories?

Exactly, that's precisely what we wanted to avoid. What didn't occur was the marriage. Peter and MJ were together, they loved each other -- they just didn't pull the trigger on the wedding day. All the books count, all the stories count -- except in the minds of the people within the Marvel U, Peter and MJ were a couple, not a married couple. To me, that's a much fairer thing to do to those of us who have been reading Spider-Man for all these years. Like I said, is it perfect? No. As far as we investigated, short of divorcing Peter, nothing really is.

That's what I was trying to say before. See?

 

[Victor Von Doom]

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So lemme get this straight....

They were together.....but just not married? They went thru HoM, CW, and the Others together as a couple? Just not as a married couple?

 

[Ice]

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So lemme get this straight....

They were together.....but just not married? They went thru HoM, CW, and the Others together as a couple? Just not as a married couple?

Pretty much.

 

[Victor Von Doom]

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Well that makes this whole event that much more stupid.

I mean come on Marvel!?!?! WTF?!?!? You spent months hyping up this big Spider-Man event.....for it to be just that? They just weren't married? They were couple......just not married?

That's just lame.

What's next? We're bringing Uncle Ben back? He wasn't dead....he was just sleeping. Cyclops doesn't need the visor.....he just thought it made him look cool. Capt America isn't really dead......he just wanted a trip to Disneyland without an interruption.


Lame.

 

[SSJmole]

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What's next? We're bringing Uncle Ben back? He wasn't dead....he was just sleeping.

And cremating him was just wrong

*insert more spider-man guilt*

:lol: :lol:

 

[Ice]

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What's next? We're bringing Uncle Ben back? He wasn't dead....he was just sleeping. Cyclops doesn't need the visor.....he just thought it made him look cool. Capt America isn't really dead......he just wanted a trip to Disneyland without an interruption.


Lame.

Joe is very much against bringing back Uncle Ben from 616. Notice I said "from 616" because as long as Uncle Ben is from a different dimension/timeline, it's a-okay!

 

[SSJmole]

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Joe is very much against bringing back Uncle Ben from 616. Notice I said "from 616" because as long as Uncle Ben is from a different dimension/timeline, it's a-okay!

Like the 90's cartoon where Peter met another dimensions Uncle Ben during the whole Spider-carnage fiasco?

 

[the watcher]

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Well that makes this whole event that much more stupid.
I mean come on Marvel!?!?! WTF?!?!? You spent months hyping up this big Spider-Man event.....for it to be just that? They just weren't married? They were couple......just not married?

That's just lame.

What's next? We're bringing Uncle Ben back? He wasn't dead....he was just sleeping. Cyclops doesn't need the visor.....he just thought it made him look cool. Capt America isn't really dead......he just wanted a trip to Disneyland without an interruption.


Lame.

Oh wait until they reveil MJ to be this New Jackpot character before you pass judgment on that...

 

[E]

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CBR has posted the third part of their interview with Joe Q.

Read to find out that JMS is a trooper. A real pro. He has said that like 12 times in these interviews so I figure it must be important.

Read it to see why Sins Past was a great story and it's totally not his fault Norman was the father.

Read it to find out that Spider-Man getting a divorce would have tainted the character and created a controversy. Thank goodness the devil was there to make a deal so we didn't have to go down that road.

Read it to discover that Sam Raimi totally agrees that Peter should have never gotten married. Because when I have questions about Spider-Man I go to the ultimate authority on the subject: a movie director who has never written a comic and just made an absolutely horrendous third installment to the movie series.

Read it to discover how the silly fans aren't talking about the fact that Spider-Man's marriage was an editorial mandate so it's ok to end it with an editorial mandate. He thinks it's hilarious that no one has mentioned that.

In all seriousness his scorn for fandom is truly astonishing.

First of all, Sins Past WAS a great story.

Secondly, I must have missed all the controversy with JMS. Did they force him to write One More Day against his will?

 

[Fredrik Martinsson]

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Secondly, I must have missed all the controversy with JMS. Did they force him to write One More Day against his will?

No, he wanted to do it. However he didn't want it to play out the way it did and the last two issues got changed, script vise, against his will so he wanted his named removed from those since he didn't think it was his story even though it was his script that it was based on.

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

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He was forced to turn The Other from year-long story into some crap story spanning a few months, and had to let other writers deal with concepts they didn't understand.

Road to Civil War (which directly followed The Other)and Back in Black were entirely mandated by editorial.

Then this happened, which was basically Joe Q forcing him to write a story to end something that I'm 90% sure he's the only one who thinks it should have been ended.

The past two or three years on the title he's had no creative control, so he's leaving. Sounds fair to me.

...That said, and I hate to admit this, Parts three and four were some of the best written comic book issues i've read in ages. Really damn good...

I'll definitely be reading Brand New Day (I like that Harry's back, even if they haven't explained it even a little), but I still think this was all so stupid.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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If the marriage is the only thing retconned, why are Harry and the web-shooters back? And how come nobody knows his secret ID?

It doesn't make sense at all.

And Sins Past makes Ultimate Power look like Watchmen.

 

[ourchair]

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The web-shooters are back, after they said organics would stick.
Peter's mask is back on, a year after they did it.

Everything's ****ed up.

More changes have happened and been undone to Spider-Man in five years than were ever done during Tom DeFalco's reign as EIC.

 

[Victor Von Doom]

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This is why I stopped reading Spider-Man.


That and the ****ty writing and art.

 

[ourchair]

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This is why I stopped reading Spider-Man.


That and the ****ty writing and art.

I stopped buying Spider-Man in the 90s, when they finally did a good story during the Clone Saga.

After years of bull****, they put out a good story in which Aunt May finally died. It was like I was buying ASM because I was holding out for a good story.

I immediately put down the comic knowing that would be the high point of the property for years to come.

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

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JMS explains his side of the Story.

His side made a whole lot more sense then what they went with. And when they end up explaining everything, it will end up retconning the last thirty years... That's just what's going to happen. Grah.

Still, he did a great job writing a **** story.

 

[ourchair]

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JMS explains his side of the Story.

His side made a whole lot more sense then what they went with. And when they end up explaining everything, it will end up retconning the last thirty years... That's just what's going to happen. Grah.

Still, he did a great job writing a **** story.

I don't consider the entire story to be ****, but rather the ramifications on continuity are rather ****ty, as well as the idea that Mephisto had to be involved.

 

[Bass]

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First of all, Sins Past WAS a great story.

Secondly, I must have missed all the controversy with JMS. Did they force him to write One More Day against his will?

No. The ending was, "Okay, we dissolve the marriage without having to have them be divorced. Mephisto magics it so we get classic Spidey back."

JMS then wrote, "The last 20 years never happened."

Marvel said, "We can't do that, can you try to write what we originally agreed upon, please?"

JMS said, "I think this is the better story."

Marvel; "Seriously - this will mess up all the Spidey titles we've got ready to go. It causes an enormous amount of problems."

JMS; "Okay. I'll do what I can."

That's it. No big controversy or "WRITE WHAT WE TELL YOU STRACYZNKASZORGI!"

As for Joe Q - I agree with him on the crappiness of Spidey's marriage and to be honest, in a year or two, I think most people will go, "Spidey is better NOW than he was THEN".

I really think this is one of those, "It sucks a bit now, but it truly will be worth it later" things.

STILL don't get why having him get divorced didn't work.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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Since when did Mephisto have this kind of power anyway?

 

[ourchair]

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STILL don't get why having him get divorced didn't work.

That too.

I don't understand why Joe Quesada, a man who says that having comic book characters smoke is wrong because it'll set a bad example is the same man who thinks its okay for Spider-Man to make a deal with the devil.

 

[Bass]

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Since when did Mephisto have this kind of power anyway?

Mephisto, the lord of lies, has many names. One of his favourites is D. X. Machina.

It's alright - he's the devil. He should do stuff like this all the time.

That too.

I don't understand why Joe Quesada, a man who says that having comic book characters smoke is wrong because it'll set a bad example is the same man who thinks its okay for Spider-Man to make a deal with the devil.

Yep.

Or, for example, it's okay to show the details of a grisly murder of a girl but not say - a tender love-scene between consenual 15-year olds.

It's the weird morality we live in - people decide that some things are 'morally wrong' but not others in an arbitrary fashion. :|

 

[ourchair]

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Mephisto, the lord of lies, has many names. One of his favourites is D. X. Machina.

It's alright - he's the devil. He should do stuff like this all the time.

I thought D. X. Machina was God's gangsta rap name.

Oh wait, God does not exist in Marvel Comics.

Yet there are 32 different flavors of devils in Marvel Comics.

I hear Satannish likes to compare himself to chocolate chip cookie dough.

 

[TwilightEL]

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If I were God, anyone who made any kind of deal with the Devil would automatically be banished to Hell forever. Tragically, I am neither God nor the writers of this terrible story. Seriously... Mephisto is supposed to be the adversary of all things alive and good. He will always come out on top. If he tries to make a deal with you, you should thank whatever deity you believe in, because your ethical dilemma is over. He's evil. Period.

 

[Bass]

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I thought D. X. Machina was God's gangsta rap name.

No, you're thinking of Deez-X Mac-Hizzla.

Oh wait, God does not exist in Marvel Comics.

Yet there are 32 different flavors of devils in Marvel Comics.

SUPER POWER FUN POST OF UNQUESTIONABLE TRUTH!

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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If I were God, anyone who made any kind of deal with the Devil would automatically be banished to Hell forever. Tragically, I am neither God nor the writers of this terrible story. Seriously... Mephisto is supposed to be the adversary of all things alive and good. He will always come out on top. If he tries to make a deal with you, you should thank whatever deity you believe in, because your ethical dilemma is over. He's evil. Period.

Exactly correct. How can a good guy ever make a deal with the devil for any reason whatsoever?

 

[SSJmole]

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Mephisto, the lord of lies, has many names. One of his favourites is D. X. Machina.

DX!!!

As in




or something else?

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

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Since when did Mephisto have this kind of power anyway?

He never did.

Unless Peter's trapped in a fantasy world, this goes far and beyond everything Mephisto is capable of.

 

[E]

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I don't understand why Joe Quesada, a man who says that having comic book characters smoke is wrong because it'll set a bad example is the same man who thinks its okay for Spider-Man to make a deal with the devil.

I thought D. X. Machina was God's gangsta rap name.

Oh wait, God does not exist in Marvel Comics.

Yet there are 32 different flavors of devils in Marvel Comics.

Ourchair: Best poster ever.

 

[ProjectX2]

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My current signature explains why Joe Queseda is a ****ing idiot.