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The Skoot said:
According to Lying In The Gutters, Civil War #4 has an event akin to Spider-Man's unmasking that could be picked up by newspapers. This has my head spinning. My first thought was that it was the death, but only Cap, Iron Man and Spider-Man would really get that much attention, and since they were all in Amazing Spider #533 (which was set after the big battle), they're all safe. Which means something else happens. Something big. I can't for the live of me figure out what could garner that much attention. Looks like I'm going to be staying off the net until Thursday ;).
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Despite everyone focusing on the relationship between MJ and Peter at this point. I think the biggest thing that could happen is the falling out of Sue and Reed. We know it's coming and although MJ/Pete are real cute. This is the couple that was never challenged and no one would dream of their undoing. She's going to leave him when one of their own kind is killed.
 
I also think it will be Reed and Sue. Because I look at the solicits for the next few FF issues, and they make it sound like one issue there's tension and the next issue it's FF no more. Reed and Sue will split up in #4 and it will be like the jump from Spidey saying at the end of ASM that he has an announcement and then picking up next issue with his mask already off assuming you knew that's what he was going to announce.
 
gemini-mk said:
in C&DP cable says it's a guy so dagger and the girl YA's are safe and thor kills him so we know it's an anit-regger

so it's:
not cap (in ASM)
not cable (in C&DP)
i think the YA are safe
cloak was already unconscious no point in thor killing him (and in ASM)
luke cage is safe
herc has been shown on some post CW4 covers
falcon has been shown on some post CW4 covers
iron fist/DD are safe for upcoming ongoing (and in ASM and FF)

all thats left is goliath and he hasn't been shown on any pics in books post CW4 he is a goner
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I also think that it must be Goliath that dies. Which is really stupid, because he is a completely inconsequential character. I mean, he was essentially nonexistent until CW, so how could his death carry any meaning?

And even though I dont follow 616 FF, Reed/Sue splitting up would be interesting. The groundwork has certainly been laid in the previous issues (BP telling Reed to call sue... Reed paying no attn to Johnny..etc.)
 
Ultimate MJ said:
I also think that it must be Goliath that dies. Which is really stupid, because he is a completely inconsequential character. I mean, he was essentially nonexistent until CW, so how could his death carry any meaning?
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In the manner in which he dies and the consequences it causes. Think about when Jason Todd died, many people didnt really like him but his death became one of the biggest moments in Batman history cause they showed the effects it has on him till this day.
 
Random said:
In the manner in which he dies and the consequences it causes. Think about when Jason Todd died, many people didnt really like him but his death became one of the biggest moments in Batman history cause they showed the effects it has on him till this day.
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And because he was Robin. The title carries meaning with it. Goliath, formerly Black Goliath, not so much.
 
It's either Falcon or Goliath that dies. And I thought Reed and Sue were seperated for while. I thought she left and was replaced by one of Blackbolts' people. Those gorons or gorgons or something like that.
 
If Falcon dies I don't see Cap and Thor being friends ever again.
Still want to see the reaction of the world with Thor killing a hero, besides that, I'm not really excited.
 
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All I can say is brainwashing. Brainwashing is going to be the answer to all of this. It's going to suck, but it'll happen.
 
Hibiki said:
It's either Falcon or Goliath that dies. And I thought Reed and Sue were seperated for while. I thought she left and was replaced by one of Blackbolts' people. Those gorons or gorgons or something like that.
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Falcon was seenin X-men Civil war 2 wich is after CW 4 so he lives its mostlikely goliath.
 
I think the Thor revealation was cheap. However the rest of the issue was amazing.

I can't delve into it or the other comics I'm gonna comment on but a few things...

The Unmasking calibur event is definitely Sue leaving Reed. Which was heartbreaking.

Any instance The Watcher appears is great. After Goliath's death the whole shake up of who wants to be on whose team was great. Tony and Cap are both extremeists and I don't think anyone is certain what to do anymore.

Tony Stark has gone completely insane the last page wasn't just awesome it was incredibly creepy. I don't know about the other rogues but if you're gonna let Bullseye out into the world regardless of what supervision he's under, you are a complete lunatic. Tony Stark is making the biggest mistake of his life.

5/5 but Thor being a clone... lame.
 
So I guess there's two "Thors" out there. There's the clone Thor with his artificial hammer (see the page where he's lying on the table, the hammer has wires coming out of it) and then there's Donald Blake, who took the real hammer from Oklahoma. Interesting where this is leading.
 
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Millar has gone too far.
Basically everyone that is pro reg is a villain, or is scared to die. (At least that's how it looks, besides Susan, no one did anything to try and prevent the anihilation that Cloned Thor would cause. Reed is as bad as Tony, and the others are bad to follow them after what happened. Hank is just plain stupid.
Now, it's ok to get more heroes to help in your campaign against the anti regs, but villains? Sorry, that was lame and I don't think any of the heroes in pro would accept it.
Overal 3/5 <-- This because of Susan reaction, that was great. And of course the art.

I really hope it gets better in 5, by the looks of it, the Villains will betray the Pro (or just **** everyone up)

OBS: Who is this Venom? Eddie?
 
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I loved it and thought it was awesome. Thor was definitely a shocker. Saw Goliath and thought yeah he's dead but who cares? Although I was lead to thinking Dagger was gonna die for a second. Baddies a goody. I love that concept...shows he's desperate. Cap sounds like a baseball coach that's down in the ninth and is thinking of all the goods thing knowing all the bad is right behind it.
 
Hibiki said:
I loved it and thought it was awesome. Thor was definitely a shocker. Saw Goliath and thought yeah he's dead but who cares? Although I was lead to thinking Dagger was gonna die for a second. Baddies a goody. I love that concept...shows he's desperate. Cap sounds like a baseball coach that's down in the ninth and is thinking of all the goods thing knowing all the bad is right behind it.
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I didn't care about Goliath too, but that were the main problem (at least for me) were. No one cared. It seems like the only one that really cared was Susan. The others were like "Oh ****! I think Thor should be repaired."
I can see Iron Man desperate, but not the other pro, they would never consider it (We will need to wait CW5 to see the reaction)
Cap...well I don't know how he could talk after the beating he took. :lol:
 
Ultimate Quicksilver said:
I didn't care about Goliath too, but that were the main problem (at least for me) were. No one cared. It seems like the only one that really cared was Susan. The others were like "Oh ****! I think Thor should be repaired."
I can see Iron Man desperate, but not the other pro, they would never consider it (We will need to wait CW5 to see the reaction)
Cap...well I don't know how he could talk after the beating he took. :lol:
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I think they pretty much care and it was shown in a few ways as to not take up the story. This is the problem with comic deaths people expect to see every tear from every character. That just can't happen.

His funeral was a good part too.

And Peter acting "suspiciously" lately.
 
Actually yeah, I over looked that. That cover could be him either teaming up with tha bad guys or running away from them considering he's all torn up and they look like they just bought their suits.
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
I think they pretty much care and it was shown in a few ways as to not take up the story. This is the problem with comic deaths people expect to see every tear from every character. That just can't happen.

His funeral was a good part too.

And Peter acting "suspiciously" lately.
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If this was some Goliath versus generic villain battle and he died, Ok so he died fighting the good fight.
But he was killed by another hero, worst, He was killed by a bizarro invetion made by a hero. I think that the others pro reg should at least say something. And what about the people? The majority is with the pro reg alright, but I doubt there is no Goliath's fans out there. They should make it a bigger problem then "Oh no! Bad publicity, some heroes may be pissed."
 

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