Mario Timeline

[stphylcccs]

Yeah no. Sometimes Easter eggs are just Easter eggs

Yeah, it wasn't their best work (probably why they deleted it) but I always saw it as mapping franchises on an omniversal level, not a single-universe level

 

[Elly]

I think on my timeline where I have Earth as a parallel universe I think I'm just going to assume that the Mario cast can travel to any point in time on the parallel Earth rather than have it be time dilation. It's simpler and can explain how Cranky Kong can be in Super Punch-Out while DK III can appear in Punch-Out Wii when those games take place in a super close proximity to each other timeline wise. Still unsure about including SimCity at all but I guess I can now with this assumption.

 

[Elly]

Also I'll probably count Rhythm Heaven as Mario canon despite what that interview says for fun. They're way too important as characters in the Warioware series to not count it as a shared universe

 

[Elly]

Btw Crash has time dilation compared to Spyro. Classic Spyro would have to happen hundreds of years before Skylanders happens. Crash takes place in mostly real time, Crash 1 takes place in its year of release for example, his appearance in Skylanders is set 20 years later, etc. which means there has to be time dilation between those 2 universes in this instance

 

[Elly]

Are you going to add The Frog For Whom The Bell Tolls since it has Mad Sciencestein/Dr Shitain? That's the game he originated from before Wario Land

 

[Elly]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaeru_no_Tame_ni_Kane_wa_Naru

 

[stphylcccs]

Are you going to add The Frog For Whom The Bell Tolls since it has Mad Sciencestein/Dr Shitain? That's the game he originated from before Wario Land

Sure, why not

 

[stphylcccs]

The official course made by Nintendo called "did somebody call a plumber?" It's a recreation of levels from both games and the Mario Bros portion leads into SMB, I believe the course description even confirms that's what's happening but I'm not 100% sure. It was mentioned on Sean's timeline

Coming back to this, was it part of the story mode or just separate levels Nintendo made? If it’s the latter, it could just be some Nintendo employee wanting his headcanon to become official, so I wouldn’t consider it. If it’s the former, it’d be a reoccurring of the same events, so I wouldn’t consider it (unless wording specifically states that what’s happening is during the first occurrence of those events - simply saying something along the lines of “Mario Bros. goes into Super Mario Bros.” wouldn’t be sufficient because it could still refer to the reoccurrences of said games)

 

[stphylcccs]

Also, should I change Japanese-only games' titles to Japanese characters? For example, should I make Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic into 夢工場ドキドキパニック? I could include English writings in brackets after, since I want more than just people who can read Japanese to use this (hence why I'm using the... English... names of games) though with Japanese-only games it feels like the better option, as that would be the name of the game. I think this would only apply to Doki Doki Panic, the first 5 Legendary Starfy games (Densetsu no Starfy) and Donkey Konga 3, though if I add The Frog for whom the Bell Tolls that'd be Japanese too.

Speaking of TFFWTBT, pretty much everything about that game lines up with the Mushroom World's whole aesthetic (the protagonist is from the Custard Kingdom, for example) though Wario Land 3 implies Rudy the Crown (and by extension Sciencestein) have been trapped for hundreds, if not thousands of years, which would make TFFWTBT impossible to definitively place on the detailed timeline, since there's nothing to go off. It wouldn't be much of an issue, if there weren't actually seen events that happen there (Skylanders flashbacks - I presume there's Skylanders flashbacks - Spyro games, Paper Mario flashbacks, Mario's Time Machine, etc)

 

[Elly]

Also, should I change Japanese-only games' titles to Japanese characters? For example, should I make Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic into 夢工場ドキドキパニック? I could include English writings in brackets after, since I want more than just people who can read Japanese to use this (hence why I'm using the... English... names of games) though with Japanese-only games it feels like the better option, as that would be the name of the game. I think this would only apply to Doki Doki Panic, the first 5 Legendary Starfy games (Densetsu no Starfy) and Donkey Konga 3, though if I add The Frog for whom the Bell Tolls that'd be Japanese too.

Speaking of TFFWTBT, pretty much everything about that game lines up with the Mushroom World's whole aesthetic (the protagonist is from the Custard Kingdom, for example) though Wario Land 3 implies Rudy the Crown (and by extension Sciencestein) have been trapped for hundreds, if not thousands of years, which would make TFFWTBT impossible to definitively place on the detailed timeline, since there's nothing to go off. It wouldn't be much of an issue, if there weren't actually seen events that happen there (Skylanders flashbacks - I presume there's Skylanders flashbacks - Spyro games, Paper Mario flashbacks, Mario's Time Machine, etc)

couldn't frog happen after mad Sciencestein gets released from the music box after Wario land 3? He and Rudy are out in the world in Dr Mario 64 and iirc mad Sciencestein isn't evil anymore in Wario Land 4(?) which would lineup with him being a good guy in Frog

 

[Elly]

Coming back to this, was it part of the story mode or just separate levels Nintendo made? If it’s the latter, it could just be some Nintendo employee wanting his headcanon to become official, so I wouldn’t consider it. If it’s the former, it’d be a reoccurring of the same events, so I wouldn’t consider it (unless wording specifically states that what’s happening is during the first occurrence of those events - simply saying something along the lines of “Mario Bros. goes into Super Mario Bros.” wouldn’t be sufficient because it could still refer to the reoccurrences of said games)

There isn't really much of a story mode in Maker. It is just part of a set of levels Nintendo made. I think it's silly to ignore an official level in a game just because it could be made by an intern or something. It was approved by them in an officially published game so I'd assume it counts as how they view things

 

[Elly]

There isn't really much of a story mode in Maker. It is just part of a set of levels Nintendo made. I think it's silly to ignore an official level in a game just because it could be made by an intern or something. It was approved by them in an officially published game so I'd assume it counts as how they view things

Especially since other games say that Shellcreepers are a previous evolution of Koopas. I think it's meant to be the case that the sewers in Mario Bros lead to the Mushroom Kingdom. It feels silly to not acknowledge it just because a tennis and golf game released between them

 

[stphylcccs]

There isn't really much of a story mode in Maker. It is just part of a set of levels Nintendo made. I think it's silly to ignore an official level in a game just because it could be made by an intern or something. It was approved by them in an officially published game so I'd assume it counts as how they view things

There are 10 levels in Super Mario Maker that are shown to occur linearly. There is no story given, but a story is clearly there, and clearly different to what is shown in Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. The Mario Maker levels have features that shouldn't be there, if it was indeed depicting Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros., so they are clearly two separate events

 

[stphylcccs]

I see no reason to make up a narrative for some of the earlier games to work, since they work fine where they are based on release dates anyway, which is why I disagree with a lot of the earlier things in Sean's timeline (though I do agree with their Donkey Kong placements, since an overarching story was clearly being told there outside of release order)

 

[Elly]

There are 10 levels in Super Mario Maker that are shown to occur linearly. There is no story given, but a story is clearly there, and clearly different to what is shown in Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. The Mario Maker levels have features that shouldn't be there, if it was indeed depicting Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros., so they are clearly two separate events

I think you're mixing up levels used in the arcade mode style playthroughs and the individual Nintendo made levels you find in the coursebot tbh

 

[stphylcccs]

I think you're mixing up levels used in the arcade mode style playthroughs and the individual Nintendo made levels you find in the coursebot tbh

What do you mean 'Arcade mode style playthroughs'

 

[Elly]

What do you mean 'Arcade mode style playthroughs'

The mode where you play 10 levels in a row. Iirc somebody called a plumber wasn't part of those levels I think. Maybe I was wrong

 

[stphylcccs]

somebody called a plumber wasn't part of those levels I think

???

 

[Elly]

Look the level literally starts in the city and you can get mushrooms that make you Mario or Luigi just like the original Mario Bros, and you go into the sewers to a recreation of the level from Mario Bros Arcade, it's 1 to 1 exact. Then you go through the sewers and find the mushroom kingdom where you can get mushrooms for Peach and Toad, the 2 characters introduced in that game and fight Bowser at the end. It's clearly meant to represent how the games lead into each other, I feel the intention is clear


https://youtu.be/1VO7uRfETuw?si=NP3iHHx70H3VwqEB

 

[stphylcccs]

Look the level literally starts in the city and you can get mushrooms that make you Mario or Luigi just like the original Mario Bros, and you go into the sewers to a recreation of the level from Mario Bros Arcade, it's 1 to 1 exact. Then you go through the sewers and find the mushroom kingdom where you can get mushrooms for Peach and Toad, the 2 characters introduced in that game and fight Bowser at the end. It's clearly meant to represent how the games lead into each other, I feel the intention is clear


https://youtu.be/1VO7uRfETuw?si=NP3iHHx70H3VwqEB

Kamek is a miniboss which definitely doesn't happen in any other depiction of Super Mario Bros. You can play as Peach in that level too, and I'd say that's just a game mechanic but they're only unlockable once you travel to the mushroom kingdom, so clearly Peach isn't captured. The Bowser fight is also... above ground? However... I can't think of any other way to place this narratively, so I guess this is post Mario Bros., pre Super Mario Bros. I'll move the sports games to before Mario Bros.