Mario Timeline

[Elly]

In general I think it makes more sense to just use the Remakes wholesale, since they usually have all the original's content as well as new stuff. Most franchises always take the remakes as the canon version going forward so I feel like it makes sense to just use those, it's also just simpler than switching from the original to the remake for the bonus content

 

[stphylcccs]

When I get the time, I’ll add all remakes/adaptations of games to the simplified timeline at the same time

 

[Elly]

What do you think about the theory that Mario 3D Land takes place before Mario 3? I'm mixed on it. The super leaf tree probably could just drop the tanuki leaves every year so it wouldn't necessarily need to be the first time in 3D Land. But the game feels like it's meant to be set earlier in the timeline because Bowser uses Arcade DK moves like throwing barrels. Also in Odyssey we see the Super Leaf tree still doesn't have leaves, almost as if Nintendo is trying to say they didn't grow back or something. Idk I could go either way on it

 

[stphylcccs]

But the game feels like it's meant to be set earlier in the timeline because Bowser uses Arcade DK moves like throwing barrels

This honestly doesn’t feel like the best way to deduce its timeline placement. Though, Mario games (mostly the kart ones, but still) feature the leaf power up despite obligatorily taking place after Mario 3. Perhaps there are more trees than just the Tail Tree in 3D Land that create the Tanuki leaves (I’m also aware there is another leaf power up, presumably from a tree of the same/similar species implying there’s more than 1 tree anyway).

Still, if the options are either assuming there’s more trees or placing 3D Land where the bulk of the leaves appear, yeah that other theory seems pretty sound

 

[Elly]

Well the idea would be 3D Land shows the tree getting it's leaves blown off and the powerups scattering around the mushroom kingdom. Which would allow the leaves to appear in other games afterwards with them already spread around.

 

[Elly]

Also are you going to include Hotel Mario

 

[stphylcccs]

Also are you going to include Hotel Mario

Yeah. Any game that’s part of the franchises I’ve listed will be on here

 

[Elly]

Why didn't the guy in the video include it?

 

[Elly]

I'm wondering about what the exact list of noncanon games would be.

Currently I can only think of the Rabbids games and Smash Bros, those are both confirmed noncanon but is there anything else? Should Mario teaches typing be canon?

 

[stphylcccs]

I'm wondering about what the exact list of noncanon games would be.

Currently I can only think of the Rabbids games and Smash Bros, those are both confirmed noncanon but is there anything else? Should Mario teaches typing be canon?

Mario Teaches Typing has no story and is canonically not actually Mario, anyway. Any game that has little to no story or has no gameplay involved (eg I am a Teacher: Super Mario Sweater) I won’t include

 

[stphylcccs]

Why didn't the guy in the video include it?

It wasn’t developed by Nintendo, and doesn’t have the Nintendo “seal of approval” a lot of non-Nintendo games with Nintendo characters had. It’s still an official Mario game, it just wasn’t developed or published by Nintendo, but Nintendo fully allowed the game to be produced and released officially

 

[Elly]

Mario Teaches Typing has no story and is canonically not actually Mario, anyway. Any game that has little to no story or has no gameplay involved (eg I am a Teacher: Super Mario Sweater) I won’t include

Wait it's canonically not mario? How?

 

[Elly]

It wasn’t developed by Nintendo, and doesn’t have the Nintendo “seal of approval” a lot of non-Nintendo games with Nintendo characters had. It’s still an official Mario game, it just wasn’t developed or published by Nintendo, but Nintendo fully allowed the game to be produced and released officially

Ehhh that does kinda put it in a gray area. They didn't work on the game at all, just allowed it to be released. It's obvious Nintendo doesn't really like stuff like that anymore it's why they're so protective over their characters now

 

[stphylcccs]

I'm wondering about what the exact list of noncanon games would be.

This is also a highly subjective question. A lot of people only consider the mainline games to be canon, for example. Some people consider every game to be canon to itself and itself only (and any direct story-following sequels/prequels is may have). Though, I don’t see any reason to not include games simply because they aren’t a staple of the series. My least favourite example of people only considering staples of a franchise as canon is movie company shared universe theories. AFAIK I am the only person on the internet to have a full(ish) Pixar Theory, and Film Theory’s Disney & Dreamworks shared universe theories also only include the main movies (though not direct-to-video movies?)… but only when they don’t feel like it, since they’ll use expanded media to place things if they have nothing else to go off which is… I hate that idea. I went on a bit of a rant at Film Theory there, but I am strongly against that method of theorising

 

[stphylcccs]

Ehhh that does kinda put it in a gray area. They didn't work on the game at all, just allowed it to be released. It's obvious Nintendo doesn't really like stuff like that anymore it's why they're so protective over their characters now

Again, licensing and Nintendo currently not liking crossovers does not reflect the timeline, especially when some connections have gone both ways

 

[stphylcccs]

Wait it's canonically not mario? How?

Just find any video of someone starting Mario Teaches Typing, the first 30 seconds of “gameplay” show this

 

[Elly]

This is also a highly subjective question. A lot of people only consider the mainline games to be canon, for example. Some people consider every game to be canon to itself and itself only (and any direct story-following sequels/prequels is may have). Though, I don’t see any reason to not include games simply because they aren’t a staple of the series. My least favourite example of people only considering staples of a franchise as canon is movie company shared universe theories. AFAIK I am the only person on the internet to have a full(ish) Pixar Theory, and Film Theory’s Disney & Dreamworks shared universe theories also only include the main movies (though not direct-to-video movies?)… but only when they don’t feel like it, since they’ll use expanded media to place things if they have nothing else to go off which is… I hate that idea. I went on a bit of a rant at Film Theory there, but I am strongly against that method of theorising

I also hate timelines that only include mainline games. They'll say Spinoffs are noncanon for no reason other than the fact they're spinoffs, even though with movies and TV shows spinoffs are usually always canon to those so why wouldn't it be the same with games?

Also I don't really like "every main studio release by this company is the same universe" type theories like Pixar or DreamWorks or whatever. There are some movies there that genuinely connect but a lot don't and it's just trying to make connections where there really aren't any, the people making each individual film franchise isn't trying to usually do shared continuity there. Like for example on your Pixar timeline you consider the Dad from Luca to be the same dad in La Luna, that doesn't work because in La Luna the guy has both arms and only one in Luca, and in Luca he says he was born with only one arm. It just kinda goes against/partly ruins the actual story they're trying to tell for the sake of smashing everything together in a massive shared universe

 

[stphylcccs]

Like for example on your Pixar timeline you consider the Dad from Luca to be the same dad in La Luna, that doesn't work because in La Luna the guy has both arms and only one in Luca, and in Luca he says he was born with only one arm.

I am aware of this, and I actually went massively into detail with La Luna specifically (weirdly enough).

It just kinda goes against/partly ruins the actual story they're trying to tell for the sake of smashing everything together in a massive shared universe

Again, read what I said about La Luna, I'm pretty sure the actual story they're trying to tell with Luca involves La Luna.

Also I don't really like "every main studio release by this company is the same universe" type theories like Pixar or DreamWorks or whatever

The Pixar Theory is a much more well-established idea than others, so I usually let it slide (I also let Dreamworks theories slide simply because of Theorizer's Mort Theory which is actually one of his more believable shared continuity theories) but obviously the Pixar Theory has been disproven, the point of my thread is to show what it could be like. I will use evidence from the main franchise over evidence from other franchises to place them, for example

 

[Elly]

I am aware of this, and I actually went massively into detail with La Luna specifically (weirdly enough).

Again, read what I said about La Luna, I'm pretty sure the actual story they're trying to tell with Luca involves La Luna.

The Pixar Theory is a much more well-established idea than others, so I usually let it slide (I also let Dreamworks theories slide simply because of Theorizer's Mort Theory which is actually one of his more believable shared continuity theories) but obviously the Pixar Theory has been disproven, the point of my thread is to show what it could be like. I will use evidence from the main franchise over evidence from other franchises to place them, for example

Yeah I guess so, I just personally can't get behind theories like that in general. Tying in Guardians for example to the DreamWorks theory feels weird because the Man on the moon there was a pre-existing character from the book series (which the author has implied is canon with the film even though in the books Jack Frost was actually an alien named Night Light.... The books get wild I'm not going into it further here) and not connected to the Moon person in the DreamWorks logo.

Although with Film Theory's DreamWorks theory I do like the individual timeline work that went into it like finding out HTTYD was set in 1010 AD, I wouldn't mind seeing individual timelines based on each franchise

 

[stphylcccs]

Although with Film Theory's DreamWorks theory I do like the individual timeline work that went into it like finding out HTTYD was set in 1010 AD, I wouldn't mind seeing individual timelines based on each franchise

Honestly, I would consider doing a HTTYD timeline if it weren’t for the modern day sequel show which is very aimed towards children. Obviously the movie and shows were aimed towards a younger demographic, but at least they were still watchable if you weren’t like 10 years old max