The Ultimates 2 #4 Discussion (Spoilers)

Ultimate Warrior said:
Am I the only one that REEEEAAAALLY wanna see the whole European Super Soldiers team in action (most Captain Sweden of course (I'm Swedish by the way :wink: ))?

Yes, Captain Sweden is awesome!

He has that pump driven enlarging power :lol:

Sorry, I don't mean to make fun but thats just too easy :wink:

Something else I noticed that contradicts Gunnar/Loki's story- Gunnar says the hammer is the device which effects the atmosphere and allows Thor to do his lightning tricks, and yet when all the club kids started spitting on Cap, Thor made lightning in the club without his hammer. Check it out, the only thing he's holding is a cigar (or some other smokable :wink: ) in his right hand.

As in 616 Mjolnir is a powerful weapon, but Thor's true power comes from the fact that he is Odin's son.
 
The Captain said:
May i add that what you wrote was very beautiful.....
Well, thank you, Captain. I have a tendency to wax philosphical on occassion, so be warned. :wink: This is the first time I've ever picked up a title as it was being published in single issues (I usually wait for the trades), and being able to discuss this along with the big guns on this site is a lot of fun. I think it's interesting how many of us still believe Thor's story of divinity, despite what looks like overwhelming, rational evidence to the contrary.

Just to add a comment to the technology angle -- how long would Norway have had a machine that can allow someone to teleport, before the machine became small enough to put in something the size of Mjolnir? Most of the time technology starts out large and becomes smaller as it's refined and better ways are found to do whatever job it's doing. And yet here we have a machine that can supposedly allow the bearer to teleport and control the weather, and this thing is smaller than a breadbox? (Um, does anyone else out there know what a breadbox is? I suspect I'm dating myself again....)

Given the size of the machine needed to send an apple through the N-Zone in Ultimate Fantastic Four, this seems a little unlikely to me, unless the technology to do this has been around quite a while. (And yes, I know Reed Richards built a fairly small scale machine to transport stuff for his school science project, but he's Super Science Whiz Kid, right?)

I'm wondering if Nick Fury is buying this whole "yes, we invented the hammer that can do this" angle because he's not a science or tech wizard himself, and has no reason not to trust these people, whereas if the tech specialists at the Triskelion got their hands on this machine, they might be able to tell him otherwise.

Given that the Thor origin arc is apparently supposed to last only two issues, I wouldn't be surprised if Loki (assuming he does indeed exist here) actually weasels his way out of this and escapes, thereby being available as an ongoing villain in this title. (And Bass, before you start on me for being an "ungrateful cow", may I point out that I have to drop comments like that and like "fictional character" into my writing occasionally so that Loki doesn't realize that I and most of the rest of the people on this site are wise to him and his existance? I'm trying not to blow my cover, here.) :)wink:)
 
ngnot said:
Yes, Captain Sweden is awesome!

He has that pump driven enlarging power :lol:

Sorry, I don't mean to make fun but thats just too easy :wink:
That's OK. We have humor in Sweden. :wink:

But just to be safe, be VERY careful when you cross the street in the near future. :twisted:
 
Ultimate Warrior said:
That's OK. We have humor in Sweden. :wink:

But just to be safe, be VERY careful when you cross the street in the near future. :twisted:
Yes, do. Scandinavian drivers are dangerous
 
kats katne

Seldes Katne said:
Well, thank you, Captain. I have a tendency to wax philosphical on occassion, so be warned. :wink: This is the first time I've ever picked up a title as it was being published in single issues (I usually wait for the trades), and being able to discuss this along with the big guns on this site is a lot of fun. I think it's interesting how many of us still believe Thor's story of divinity, despite what looks like overwhelming, rational evidence to the contrary.

Just to add a comment to the technology angle -- how long would Norway have had a machine that can allow someone to teleport, before the machine became small enough to put in something the size of Mjolnir? Most of the time technology starts out large and becomes smaller as it's refined and better ways are found to do whatever job it's doing. And yet here we have a machine that can supposedly allow the bearer to teleport and control the weather, and this thing is smaller than a breadbox? (Um, does anyone else out there know what a breadbox is? I suspect I'm dating myself again....)

Given the size of the machine needed to send an apple through the N-Zone in Ultimate Fantastic Four, this seems a little unlikely to me, unless the technology to do this has been around quite a while. (And yes, I know Reed Richards built a fairly small scale machine to transport stuff for his school science project, but he's Super Science Whiz Kid, right?)

I'm wondering if Nick Fury is buying this whole "yes, we invented the hammer that can do this" angle because he's not a science or tech wizard himself, and has no reason not to trust these people, whereas if the tech specialists at the Triskelion got their hands on this machine, they might be able to tell him otherwise.

Given that the Thor origin arc is apparently supposed to last only two issues, I wouldn't be surprised if Loki (assuming he does indeed exist here) actually weasels his way out of this and escapes, thereby being available as an ongoing villain in this title. (And Bass, before you start on me for being an "ungrateful cow", may I point out that I have to drop comments like that and like "fictional character" into my writing occasionally so that Loki doesn't realize that I and most of the rest of the people on this site are wise to him and his existance? I'm trying not to blow my cover, here.) :)wink:)

the time travel thing is awkward indeed, but we dont know if what loki is saying is half truth even...being as though he can bend time and space, that could all be a lie and norway wouldnt have had that technology, just a trick on the behalf of the norse god of mischief....
 
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ultimate vision

i think hank is working on vision. you can see vision "hanging" on the background. (half is body anyway)
 
Wow.

I haven't been on here since Wendesday, and I just got done reading all this stuff on this thread and ...well...WOW. First, Golmen. I nearly had an aneurism when I read about his other appearences, and actually saw him. I'm now thoroughly convinced that Thor's for real and so is Loki.

Then there's all the religious symbolism. This is how I see issue #5 panning out: Thor gives him self up (like Jesus) and doesn't fight the Ultimates. Instead, he proves that Golmen is Loki, and exposes his trap. Then the enormous battle they've been touting becomes a fight between The Ultimates and Loki. As for the 'monsters' part of 'Gods and Monsters', Loki uses his reality warping abilities to bring Banner back from the dead (probably to fight the Ultimates for him). Loki becomes so powerful, that he threatens to destroy civilization as we know it. So, Thor makes a brave sacrifice, giving his life to destroy Loki. But, fear not Thor fans, I think he'll pull a Jesus: he'll be resurrected (somehow) near the end of GTA, more powerful than ever, and save the Ultimates' collective bacon (presumably from Ultron).
 
moonmaster said:
Wow.

I haven't been on here since Wendesday, and I just got done reading all this stuff on this thread and ...well...WOW. First, Golmen. I nearly had an aneurism when I read about his other appearences, and actually saw him. I'm now thoroughly convinced that Thor's for real and so is Loki.

Then there's all the religious symbolism. This is how I see issue #5 panning out: Thor gives him self up (like Jesus) and doesn't fight the Ultimates. Instead, he proves that Golmen is Loki, and exposes his trap. Then the enormous battle they've been touting becomes a fight between The Ultimates and Loki. As for the 'monsters' part of 'Gods and Monsters', Loki uses his reality warping abilities to bring Banner back from the dead (probably to fight the Ultimates for him). Loki becomes so powerful, that he threatens to destroy civilization as we know it. So, Thor makes a brave sacrifice, giving his life to destroy Loki. But, fear not Thor fans, I think he'll pull a Jesus: he'll be resurrected (somehow) near the end of GTA, more powerful than ever, and save the Ultimates' collective bacon (presumably from Ultron).


2 problems...

1. Banner's not dead
2. I don't think Thor would come back in the very next arc.

Other than that... cool
 
DIrishB said:
Yeah, I saw that part of "The Passion of the Christ" also. Good movie. Wasn't it based on a book or something? Anyone know what it was called?

Actually, I've not seen "The Passion of the Christ". What's it about?

Seldes Katne said:
(And Bass, before you start on me for being an "ungrateful cow", may I point out that I have to drop comments like that and like "fictional character" into my writing occasionally so that Loki doesn't realize that I and most of the rest of the people on this site are wise to him and his existance? I'm trying not to blow my cover, here.)

That's just what a cow would say.

Though, leaving off the 'moo' did throw me, however. Touche'.

moonmaster said:
But, fear not Thor fans, I think he'll pull a Jesus: he'll be resurrected (somehow) near the end of GTA, more powerful than ever, and save the Ultimates' collective bacon (presumably from Ultron).

I'd be surprised if Thor doesn't fight the Ultimates. It's something we've been 'promised'.

In any case, I've said elswhere I think that #5 may end with Thor being beaten and stripped of his powers, and he limps away using a gnarled stick to prop him up...
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
2 problems...

1. Banner's not dead
2. I don't think Thor would come back in the very next arc.

Other than that... cool

1. Wait, how do we know that Banner isn't dead. And, if he is alive, than I think Loki rescued him just before the bomb went off and will use him as a weapon.
2. We all know that (as far as Millar's told us (I don't believe it)) he's leaving after Vol. 2. And if GTA is the last 6 issues than Millar wouldn't have a whole lot of time to bring him back (I think it would happen in like the last, or second to last issue).
 
I'd be surprised if Thor doesn't fight the Ultimates. It's something we've been 'promised'.

We were also promised that issue #4 would be the complete 'Origin of Thor'.
 
moonmaster said:
1. Wait, how do we know that Banner isn't dead. And, if he is alive, than I think Loki rescued him just before the bomb went off and will use him as a weapon.
2. We all know that (as far as Millar's told us (I don't believe it)) he's leaving after Vol. 2. And if GTA is the last 6 issues than Millar wouldn't have a whole lot of time to bring him back (I think it would happen in like the last, or second to last issue).

1. Are you reading this?

2. Just because Millar's run is ending doesn't mean he's sitting there saying "Oh, Oh, Ok, I need to bring everyone back in for the grand finale." He's a damn good writer he knows what he's doing. Wouldn't you feel the Thor Plot was cheapened by his returning within 4 issues?
 
#4 is the Secret Origin of Thor. And this is an origin - and if Loki's powers are to be believed, it may now be true.

Also, Banner's alive because Hank fixed it so he'd wake up just before the bomb went off. Loki had nothing to do with it as far as I can tell.

Also, I think I've read Ultimates 2 #4 a dozen times in two days.
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
1. Are you reading this?

2. Just because Millar's run is ending doesn't mean he's sitting there saying "Oh, Oh, Ok, I need to bring everyone back in for the grand finale." He's a damn good writer he knows what he's doing. Wouldn't you feel the Thor Plot was cheapened by his returning within 4 issues?

1. Okay, Okay. He's Alive! Sorry, for fogetting about those clues.

2. Not 4 issues, 6. Big difference. ( :lol: )

But seriously, I do think he would. Did Jesus's resurrection cheapen his death?
 
Holy Mother of all that ****s!! I've just read this issue, and I've been trying to read the thread, but this is probably the best comic I've ever read, immense book. I could write an essay, and probably shall tomorrow. It was, in the words of johnny storm, awesome. Millar has really proven himself to be amongst the greats with this ultimates 2 run. If this doesn't win some sort of literary award I'll be annoyed. Superb stuff.

Right, enough with the gushing, I need to read the rest of teh thread and plan what to say about it tomorrow.

though I will say that I spotted Gunnar in the restaurant when Thor was talking to Volstaag without seeing this issue yet. (with a little help from MWoF) :)

Excellent work.
 
Nice try Guijllons, but I know you never saw Loki in the first issue originally. You've just shuffled time and space.

I'm onto you, you reality warping bastard. :sure:

As for Thor's return: The Hulk returned in #13, after a 7-issue absence.

I find it unbelievable Thor won't show up for the finale. In fact, I find it a bit hard to swallow Hulk might not be there either...
 

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