Ultimate Spider-Man: Ultimatum (#129-133) (Spoilers/Discussion)

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cmdrjanjalani

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I liked how it was easy to tell mostly what was going on even without any dialogue. And all the silence made it feel the impact of Ultimatum where none of Loeb's cliched dialogue could ever do.

It felt forced in some parts though, personally the part where Spider-Woman and Kitty meet needed some dialogue since you have no idea why Kitty ignores Drew initially by phasing through her.
 
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Captain Brighton

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I actually thought this was okay, considering.

I should say first of all that I like Ultimate Spiderman. Pretty much all of it. I don't think there's been a bad issue. It may never have been GREAT great, but it was always pretty good, in my opinion. Which I realise puts me in a minority, here.

If this was really the ending which it had all been building to, then I would be pretty annoyed and disappointed. But it patently isn't. Bendis is going to pretty much carry on where he left off when vol 2 starts later this year- though whether I'm going to be reading it is another matter entirely.

And though we may not be seeing Ultimate Peter Parker for a while, he is so not dead. He was caught in a magical explosion. He disappears. There's no body. Just a tattered mask. It would be lame to have killed the character with a magical thingy unrelated to anything he's been through in the past- but the reason it was magical is so that he can be not dead. He's off in some magicky limbo place for a while.

I don't think Bendis wanted to end it that way. It seems like he still had Peter Parker stories he wanted to tell, maintaining the whole High School status quo. But then suddenly everything is forced into a new direction.

It was an editorial decision to cancel the entire ultimate line. Which had to include Spidey, even though they're relaunching it straight away, because USM was the one Ult title that worked, and sold too. So Bendis' hands were tied to the extent that he had to write a final issue and he had to tie in to ultimatum. Maybe he was told that Peter should seemingly die, or maybe that was his decision. Whatever.

So given those pretty crappy parameters, I thought he did it pretty well. It's not meant to resolve or tie anything up- it gets Peter out of the picture for a while, and the whole Loeb Ultimatum mess can go on without him, which could be for the best; maybe Bendis has actually rescued his character from Loeb's massacre, to bring him back in when the dust settles. Maybe. USM's Ultimatum issues have been head and shoulders above the dreck in all the other tie-ins. DD may have died off panel, but the scenes where they found his body had real dignity and pathos.

I thought the silent issue worked. You didn't need words, you just had to work a little harder. It was effective. Ironic how people criticise Bendis for his annoying dialogue, than criticise him further for doing a no-speaking issue...
I thought the £3.99 price tag was pretty cynical yes, but I didn't even notice it was gonna cost me more till I got to the cash desk.

Having said all that, that's it for me I suspect. It really doesn't matter if Bendis and Millar bounce back with some good stories; unless they are really damn good, it's broken. The end of the Ultimate Universe mark 1 after ten years seems a pretty good jumping off point. Did Marvel not think this through? The whole thing has turned to crap, but a lot of people are still buying the books out of loyalty. So lets cancel the books and start again from issue 1. Same crap, no loyalty. Oh, and lets charge them an extra buck, too. That guy at newsarama was pretty spot on.

Bye bye ult spidey. You deserved better than this.
 

Bass

Nexus of the World
I actually thought this was okay, considering.

I should say first of all that I like Ultimate Spiderman. Pretty much all of it. I don't think there's been a bad issue. It may never have been GREAT great, but it was always pretty good, in my opinion. Which I realise puts me in a minority, here.

If this was really the ending which it had all been building to, then I would be pretty annoyed and disappointed. But it patently isn't. Bendis is going to pretty much carry on where he left off when vol 2 starts later this year- though whether I'm going to be reading it is another matter entirely.

And though we may not be seeing Ultimate Peter Parker for a while, he is so not dead. He was caught in a magical explosion. He disappears. There's no body. Just a tattered mask. It would be lame to have killed the character with a magical thingy unrelated to anything he's been through in the past- but the reason it was magical is so that he can be not dead. He's off in some magicky limbo place for a while.

I don't think Bendis wanted to end it that way. It seems like he still had Peter Parker stories he wanted to tell, maintaining the whole High School status quo. But then suddenly everything is forced into a new direction.

It was an editorial decision to cancel the entire ultimate line. Which had to include Spidey, even though they're relaunching it straight away, because USM was the one Ult title that worked, and sold too. So Bendis' hands were tied to the extent that he had to write a final issue and he had to tie in to ultimatum. Maybe he was told that Peter should seemingly die, or maybe that was his decision. Whatever.

So given those pretty crappy parameters, I thought he did it pretty well. It's not meant to resolve or tie anything up- it gets Peter out of the picture for a while, and the whole Loeb Ultimatum mess can go on without him, which could be for the best; maybe Bendis has actually rescued his character from Loeb's massacre, to bring him back in when the dust settles. Maybe. USM's Ultimatum issues have been head and shoulders above the dreck in all the other tie-ins. DD may have died off panel, but the scenes where they found his body had real dignity and pathos.

I thought the silent issue worked. You didn't need words, you just had to work a little harder. It was effective. Ironic how people criticise Bendis for his annoying dialogue, than criticise him further for doing a no-speaking issue...
I thought the £3.99 price tag was pretty cynical yes, but I didn't even notice it was gonna cost me more till I got to the cash desk.

Having said all that, that's it for me I suspect. It really doesn't matter if Bendis and Millar bounce back with some good stories; unless they are really damn good, it's broken. The end of the Ultimate Universe mark 1 after ten years seems a pretty good jumping off point. Did Marvel not think this through? The whole thing has turned to crap, but a lot of people are still buying the books out of loyalty. So lets cancel the books and start again from issue 1. Same crap, no loyalty. Oh, and lets charge them an extra buck, too. That guy at newsarama was pretty spot on.

Bye bye ult spidey. You deserved better than this.
Very well said, on all points.

Also, when Spidey's mask is shown for the first time, there is a hand next to it. Presumably, it's Peter's.
 

J. Agamemnon

Well-Known Member
The USM stories aren't bad. The origins was done well and worthy of the ultimization. You can even argue it set the standard for it's companion titles. I think the stories themselves and the direction bendis wants to go by keeping peter in high school is fit for it's own title like Spiderman loves MJ or something like that.

I think USM should go in another direction and let the character mature and let other writers take over and bendis can keep his little universe and keep the title running. you already have the fanbase to back it up.
 

Captain Canuck

The poster formerly known as captaincanuck65
Also, when Spidey's mask is shown for the first time, there is a hand next to it. Presumably, it's Peter's.
yeah, i thought so at first too, but if it was Peter's hand I think they would have shown more than just his hand. I think the point was that the big swell of water washes a bunch of dead bodies and Spidey's mask (...okay, that's obviously what the point is, but I mean that the point ISN'T that one of those bodies is Peter's).


And, I would just like to point out to everyone that Kitty said to MJ that she wasn't helping Peter b/c she couldn't fly or anything like that, but then she was flying in the last issue (as she has flown before in USM).
 
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