Spider-Man Amazing Spider-Man: Brand New Day (#546-567) (Spoilers)

[thee great one]

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The more you guys point out the flaws the more I will never read another normal Spider-Man book again.

 

[Bass]

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The six page preview is interesting.

I might pick this up.

 

[E]

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Parker Luck - I assumed he meant his continuous BAD luck, and he's going, "Listen, here I am, kissing this super hot chick and you think this is my life, well let me explain something to you - I have THE PARKER LUCK. A virulent form of bad luck so intense, they can bottle it and sell it to X-Factor celebrities."

I had TEH RAGE and had not considered this possibility. Good point.

 

[ourchair]

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What if Peter's talking to someone? Then it's not 'breaking the 4th wall'.

Parker Luck - I assumed he meant his continuous BAD luck, and he's going, "Listen, here I am, kissing this super hot chick and you think this is my life, well let me explain something to you - I have THE PARKER LUCK. A virulent form of bad luck so intense, they can bottle it and sell it to X-Factor celebrities."

That's what I thought too.

I've never ever known the Parker Luck as anything but bad luck since the 1980s, so I seriously thought that was what was happening here.

That's a more mature ending but it doesn't solve a problem, which is Spider-Man is too far from his roots (and I agree).

I don't necessarily subscribe to either camp of 1-800-MAYLIVES or 1-800-MAYDIES, so I DO agree with you to some extent, but to me that is the only reasonable way to deal with Aunt May on her deathbed AGAIN. She gets shot, poisoned by the Green Goblin, accidentally killed in a battle during a wedding with Doc Ock, and she dies, or maybe Spidey saves her I don't know.

But certainly, there is no Mephisto involved, and if there was then Peter acts like a grown-up and asks the question that neither he or MJ seem to have considered before midnight which is What Would Aunt May Want?

If Joe says he wants to tell stories with a single Spider-Man, there's like a billion ways to do it. Marvel Adventures Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane, a comic based on a soon to be running animated series, miniseries like Spider-Man: Blue. As it is, it's the married Spider-Man who seems to be the minority.

And if he really wants a single Spider-Man, there's always divorce.

 

[ourchair]

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The more you guys point out the flaws the more I will never read another normal Spider-Man book again.

I don't really see it as a totally flaw-riddled project, so much as it is a project that took a wrong turn in every way possible. Every premise is understandable, it's just that the answer to each premise is WRONG.

• There's no place to tell single Spider-Man stories? Wrong. There's Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane, MA Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man and animated Spider-Man, movie Spider-Man, Spider-Man comic in a cereal box.
  
  
• Okay, let's be fair. Maybe they want to tell single Spider-Man stories in the 616 setting with all the continuity it entails. Then divorce the character! We're in the 21st century, where Americans under 30 are getting divorced all the time, so it's not like it AGES Peter Parker in the way it worries everyone.
  
  
• But wait! Divorce taints the character by making him seem less virtuous! We could quibble over that for years, but let's say I 'agree'. The best alternative would be to give Peter the hard choice: Mary Jane or May! Have a building fall on May while a pumpkin bomb flies at MJ!
  
  
• "But Peter can't, won't, SHAN'T make that choice!" is what other people have argued. To which I say, YES HE CAN and SHOULD. He has to be torn between the choice, because that's the point of the character... to agonize about zigging where he should have zagged. So they rig the whole thing as Mephisto's infernal ability to suspend space, time & deathification, which is all sorts of stupid, because it buys the story a lot of wiggle room in terms of time and deus ex machina.
  
  
• Let's say I suspend my preferences and say, "I'm willing to go with this Devil thing. Let's see how this plays out." Mephisto offers May's life for Pete/MJ's marriage. They decide to go with keeping Aunt May and losing the marriage. It's an absolutely retarded direction to make because you end up causing thousands of continuity headaches. Better to keep the marriage and avoid this garbage!
  
  
• But fine, maybe I shouldn't second-guess or argue the decision. If Peter wants to save Aunt May then it's his prerogative as a character. But it's not about saving Aunt May, it's about him refusing to deal with/experience the thought, no the reality, of having to lose Aunt May. It's not about her, it's about him.
  
  
• And last, but not least important of all, What would Aunt May want?

 

[Bass]

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Ourchair wins!

 

[Grocer Man]

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Aunt May wants to finally freaking die!

...oh, wait, no, that's just me.

Besides, Aunt MAy has died at least three times before now, and Peter just lived with it until it was retconned. And he not only can't take it again, but makes what's essentially a deal with the devil to get out of it.

It's irresponsible.

 

[Gemini]

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2-page spread by JRJR explaining Pet'es new status quo answer's a few question's

Link

so apparently nobody...absolutely NOBODY know's who Spider-Man, Harry was the Green Goblin but he doesn't remember it, and people remember Spider-Man unmasking in Civil War but for some reason nobody can remember who was under the mask

hu-pu-hwa-gah

*head 'splodes*

 

[McCheese]

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Curse you Gemini and your posting the same thing I posted 2 minutes earlier!!!

 

[SSJmole]

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2-page spread by JRJR explaining Pet'es new status quo answer's a few question's

Link

so apparently nobody...absolutely NOBODY know's who Spider-Man, Harry was the Green Goblin but he doesn't remember it, and people remember Spider-Man unmasking in Civil War but for some reason nobody can remember who was under the mask

hu-pu-hwa-gah

*head 'splodes*

has this changed eddie back into venom ? or not :cry: I'm almost starting to give up hope

 

[McCheese]

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has this changed eddie back into venom ? or not :cry: I'm almost starting to give up hope

NO!!!​

They killed him, ok? Eddie Brock was never Venom in BND. He got hit by a bus before he ever merged with the symbiote. Watcher was there to save him, but decided against it due to his complete lack of blouse bunnies. Scarlet Witch Chanted "NO MORE VENOMS!" Superboy-Prime punched the Marvel wall and he disappeared from existance. He's done. Over. Finito. Gone Forevers!

 

[SSJmole]

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NO!!!​

They killed him, ok? Eddie Brock was never Venom in BND. He got hit by a bus before he ever merged with the symbiote. Watcher was there to save him, but decided against it due to his complete lack of blouse bunnies. Scarlet Witch Chanted "NO MORE VENOMS!" Superboy-Prime punched the Marvel wall and he disappeared from existance. He's done. Over. Finito. Gone Forevers!

:lol: :lol: :lol:


your just mean

 

[Bass]

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David Willis, the cartoonist of SHORTPACKED is awesome.

 

[Ice]

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David Willis, the cartoonist of SHORTPACKED is awesome.

:lol:


This deserves a POTD.

 

[Planet-man]

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God.... **** this all. Boycott.

 

[SSJmole]

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David Willis, the cartoonist of SHORTPACKED is awesome.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

this gives you another

 

[Bass]

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Yay! **** you David Willis, it's mine!

 

[ProjectX2]

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[Ice]

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Whats it called when you use two words together that mean the same thing or something? Either way, they used "Illegal Vigilante" incorrectly. Vigilatism is already illegal, so it's incorrect/pointless to say "illegal vigilante".

 

[Bass]

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It's called tautology or some such.

(at Proj's post)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(I'm still glad they did ONE MORE DAY.)

 

[SSJmole]

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Whats it called when you use two words together that mean the same thing or something? Either way, they used "Illegal Vigilante" incorrectly. Vigilatism is already illegal, so it's incorrect/pointless to say "illegal vigilante".

redundant

or redundantly redundant :lol:

 

[Planet-man]

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Whats it called when you use two words together that mean the same thing or something?

Redundance.

 

[Ice]

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Redundance.

Thank you Planet-man and mole!

 

[Bass]

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~___~

Don't thank me.

Tautology
1. needless repetition of an idea, esp. in words other than those of the immediate context, without imparting additional force or clearness, as in "widow woman."
2. an instance of such repetition.


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EXCUSE ME I HAVE SOMETHING IN MY EYE!

 

[Ice]

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~___~

Don't thank me.

Tautology
1. needless repetition of an idea, esp. in words other than those of the immediate context, without imparting additional force or clearness, as in "widow woman."
2. an instance of such repetition.


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EXCUSE ME I HAVE SOMETHING IN MY EYE!

I didn't see you edited your post. You should've said something.

Thank you, Bass.

 

[McCheese]

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David Willis, the cartoonist of SHORTPACKED is awesome.

:lol:

Nice.

 

[Bass]

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I didn't see you edited your post. You should've said something.

Thank you, Bass.

 

[E]

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I didn't see you edited your post. You should've said something.

Thank you, Bass.

From now on if people post something they should post to let people know about it.

And just to be safe it might not hurt to post about the post about the post as well.

Back to the topic - check out LitG this week - he talks about this and has the Watchmen/OMD mashup as well as a hilarious link to the Marvel.com boards telling people to stop insulting JQ over One More Day.

 

[ProjectX2]

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I just logged in especially for this... because I want someone to explain to me how One More Day makes sense. Because as far as I can tell, it doesn't. Quesada has used magic to explain it. But someone tell me using normal logic. Every time I think of One More Day, I swear and scream at random people because I don't understand how it works... WHAT THE **** WHAT THE **** WHAT THE ****.

 

[ourchair]

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I just logged in especially for this... because I want someone to explain to me how One More Day makes sense. Because as far as I can tell, it doesn't. Quesada has used magic to explain it. But someone tell me using normal logic. Every time I think of One More Day, I swear and scream at random people because I don't understand how it works... WHAT THE **** WHAT THE **** WHAT THE ****.

It doesn't.

Well on some level, it does.

IMO, it's a series of decent premises answered by nothing but mistakes.

Not to toot my own horn, but look back a page or two and I have a more detailed point by point explanation of why I feel this is so.