Marvel Cinematic Universe News, Rumors, and Discussion

[DIrishB]

Rulk: Ross became Rulk because he was tired of losing. He then went insane and eventually realized he had turned into what he had been fighting the whole time. I loved that.

Sounds real original. /sarcasm

Man-Thing: Wall-E is how you make a movie about a character that doesn't speak.

Dude, you're kidding, right? Completely different genres, completely different characters, and would require completely different approaches. This comparison fails.

Howard the Duck: You follow Steve Gerber's run when you make a movie. It'd be awesome.

Ah, yes, let's use a run that satirizes society from 30-35 years ago. Nothing could go wrong there.

DIB: I was asking him if he didn't find them compelling because it seemed like he didn't want them showing up.

It's not that I don't want some of them to show up, I could just do without some of them showing up (Red Hulk). However some I can do completely without (Squirrel Girl, Forbush Man).

 

[Ice]

Moon Knight: They just had two of the biggest writers in comics on it.

Because that's how you launch a book. Have recognizable names that will draw people in. Or the creative team pitched the book. Either way, that doesn't mean Moon Knight is being pushed hard. It's not being pushed at all. He's got a new ongoing, but for it to be pushed in any high level or whatever, there'd have to be Moon Knight appearances up the wah-zoo, event centered around him, etc. There isn't.

Squirrel Girl: She was just in Deadpool and Was featured in Bendis's New Avengers. Hate to link to Bleeding Cool but http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07...irl-cartoon-tv-or-film-appearance-on-the-way/

Two comic appearances in the span of how many years? Yeah. That's popularity growing...

Her getting a trademark likely would lead to a comic book not a film. I don't see Marvel giving her a solo film. And also, she's actually a mutant, so it has to be found out first whether Marvel even has the rights to her for film.

Man-Thing: Wall-E is how you make a movie about a character that doesn't speak.

Wall-E still spoke. He just said his name only. Like a Pokemon. :wink:

Howard the Duck: You follow Steve Gerber's run when you make a movie. It'd be awesome.

It doesn't matter what you follow. The point is that Marvel has a set plan for their movies and going by what they're doing, Howard the Duck is more than likely not on it.

Savage Land: It's been showing up in a lot of places including the cartoons. I wouldn't be surprised if it showed up in the MCU very soon

Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon and the Aaron/Perez WATX arc last year are the only places I've seen it show up recently. Unless there's been plenty of other places, two times in two years isn't exactly "a lot." I'm not saying the Savage Land isn't or wouldn't show up in the MCU at all, just that it won't be very soon or any time soon.

DIB: I was asking him if he didn't find them compelling because it seemed like he didn't want them showing up.

No, you only asked if he didn't find them compelling; you didn't say anything because of him not wanting the characters showing up.

 

[wyokid]

Dude, you're kidding, right? Completely different genres, completely different characters, and would require completely different approaches. This comparison fails.

I'm giving you an example of a movie where the main attraction never talks. Need a horror example? Friday the 13th, Halloween, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, etc. Marvel can make it work.

Ah, yes, let's use a run that satirizes society from 30-35 years ago. Nothing could go wrong there.

I thought saying that you'd have to modernize it would be redundant, guess not.

It's not that I don't want some of them to show up, I could just do without some of them showing up (Red Hulk). However some I can do completely without (Squirrel Girl, Forbush Man).

What do you have against Squirrel Girl and Forbush Man?

Because that's how you launch a book. Have recognizable names that will draw people in. Or the creative team pitched the book. Either way, that doesn't mean Moon Knight is being pushed hard. It's not being pushed at all. He's got a new ongoing, but for it to be pushed in any high level or whatever, there'd have to be Moon Knight appearances up the wah-zoo, event centered around him, etc. There isn't.

He was in Age of Ultron.

Two comic appearances in the span of how many years? Yeah. That's popularity growing...

I was at work and was thinking off the top of my head. She's been in more comics the past four years than she was since her creation to 2010. I'm not saying that she couldn't show up, I'm saying I WANT her to show up.

Wall-E still spoke. He just said his name only. Like a Pokemon. :wink:

Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon and the Aaron/Perez WATX arc last year are the only places I've seen it show up recently. Unless there's been plenty of other places, two times in two years isn't exactly "a lot." I'm not saying the Savage Land isn't or wouldn't show up in the MCU at all, just that it won't be very soon or any time soon.

2011-2014: Skaar: King of the Savage Land, What If? Age of Ultron, Avengers World, All-New X-Men, Avengers vs. X-Men, New Avengers, Venom, Avenging Spider-Man, Hawkeye & Mockingbird, Incredible Hulks, New Warriors, Wolverine and the X-Men, Claws 2, Marvel Adventures: Spider-Man, Deadpool Kills Deadpool, Avengers, Women of Marvel, Savage Wolverine, Elektra, Deadpool, Ka-Zar, Avengers Academy, Age of Ultron and, AVX: Vs

It also showed up in all three Marvel Universe cartoons.

No, you only asked if he didn't find them compelling; you didn't say anything because of him not wanting the characters showing up.

I was assuming. I didn't think I needed to say that either.

 

[Ice]

He was in Age of Ultron.

Ah, that's right. Still doesn't change anything, though.

I was at work and was thinking off the top of my head. She's been in more comics the past four years than she was since her creation to 2010. I'm not saying that she couldn't show up, I'm saying I WANT her to show up.

Don't remember anything else. Must be in something I didn't read or forgot about then. Also, she was created in 1992. :wink:

2011-2014: Skaar: King of the Savage Land, What If? Age of Ultron, Avengers World, All-New X-Men, Avengers vs. X-Men, New Avengers, Venom, Avenging Spider-Man, Hawkeye & Mockingbird, Incredible Hulks, New Warriors, Wolverine and the X-Men, Claws 2, Marvel Adventures: Spider-Man, Deadpool Kills Deadpool, Avengers, Women of Marvel, Savage Wolverine, Elektra, Deadpool, Ka-Zar, Avengers Academy, Age of Ultron and, AVX: Vs

It also showed up in all three Marvel Universe cartoons.

Ok yeah, that is a lot. A lot of those I didn't read. Forgot about AvX. However, that still isn't any indication for it showing up in the MCU just because of all those appearances.

 

[wyokid]

Ah, that's right. Still doesn't change anything, though.

I know, I just think he could make a really good TV series :\ I want these characters and am creating lame excuses for them to appear haha

Don't remember anything else. Must be in something I didn't read or forgot about then. Also, she was created in 1992. :wink:

To be honest it's mostly because of Dan Slott. She appeared in 1991 and didn't show up again until 2005. Then Bendis had her be a nanny and between the two of them has been most of her appearences. I just want the person who beat Thanos single-handedly in the MCU.

Ok yeah, that is a lot. A lot of those I didn't read. Forgot about AvX. However, that still isn't any indication for it showing up in the MCU just because of all those appearances.

True, but it is still a lot.

 

[vintsukka]

I can see Man-Thing as a supporting character in a horror type Marvel movie, or even a guest star role in AoS, but I doubt he'll get a solo film.

I wasn't suggesting a solo movie, just that I'd love to see him be a part of the MCU (yes, I know that he already technically is, we just haven't seen him). An appearance in AoS or a Dr. Strange movie was exactly what I had in mind.

The Runaways script was written a long time ago. Back before the first Iron Man movie came out.

I am aware, but I believe Feige mentioned it in an interview a while back and said that it would still fit into the MCU. And whatever that old script is, the point was that a Runaways movie would be cool.

EDIT: The inverview I mentioned was on the Empire podcast (#120) just a couple of weeks ago.

 

[wyokid]

Marvel Studios Announces Squadron Supreme Film for March 25, 2016

"Surprise, mother****ers!" Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige stated from the Marvel Studios offices in Burbank, CA. "Thought you could get away from us, didn't you?"

 

[Ice]

Marvel Studios Announces Squadron Supreme Film for March 25, 2016

Who is that person that wrote that so I can give that person all the wins in the world?

 

[DIrishB]

I'm giving you an example of a movie where the main attraction never talks. Need a horror example? Friday the 13th, Halloween, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, etc. Marvel can make it work.

Oh my God you enjoy being difficult. Again, completely lame comparisons. Those are all knife and chainsaw-wielding mass murderers. Man-Thing is a very different character, and presumably if you're going to make a film about him he'd be the main character, not the antagonist. Those horror films all feature characters who act as the main characters who DO speak, and are chased and killed by the antagonist characters. Man-Thing would likely make the character somewhat understandable and sympathetic, something the films you listed DON'T DO with their antagonists. Hence those films not being titles Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers, and Leatherface. Guess what? If a Man-Thing solo film were to be made, it's title would most likely be Man-Thing and it's focus would be on Man-Thing.

I thought saying that you'd have to modernize it would be redundant, guess not.

It would no longer really be based on Gerber's run, then, would it? Please, think about what you're saying.

What do you have against Squirrel Girl and Forbush Man?

They're idiotic characters.

Marvel Studios Announces Squadron Supreme Film for March 25, 2016

Heh. Funny.

 

[wyokid]

Oh my God you enjoy being difficult. Again, completely lame comparisons. Those are all knife and chainsaw-wielding mass murderers. Man-Thing is a very different character, and presumably if you're going to make a film about him he'd be the main character, not the antagonist. Those horror films all feature characters who act as the main characters who DO speak, and are chased and killed by the antagonist characters. Man-Thing would likely make the character somewhat understandable and sympathetic, something the films you listed DON'T DO with their antagonists. Hence those films not being titles Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers, and Leatherface. Guess what? If a Man-Thing solo film were to be made, it's title would most likely be Man-Thing and it's focus would be on Man-Thing.

I was referring to horror films where the antagonists didn't speak as reference on making Man-Thing scary and sympathetic (you do start to somewhat pity Michael Myers and Jason the further the series goes). Okay, lemme break it down for you. Man-Thing WOULD be a main character, he'd be fighting some Marvel villain, and the movie would also have human main characters (Stephanie Szostak could return so we could see how she got those scars). HOWEVER Man-Thing would be more like how Godzilla is a main character in his movies. We'd get scenes of him alone interacting with animals and nature to make him sympathetic but from the humans' side he's a monster (people fear what they don't understand). The bad guy's goal could be destroying the swamp or something like that (I'm not getting paid to write this so I'm going the cliche route). The movie would show the humans how they were wrong about Man-Thing and by the end he'd be the hero in their eyes. I threw in some Nolan Batman references to make it easier for you to read

More realistically though he'd probably be in Agents of SHIELD. ESPECIALLY with Mockingbird joining the cast.

It would no longer really be based on Gerber's run, then, would it? Please, think about what you're saying.

Please, I beg you, think about what I'm saying. I'm not saying adapt the stories. I'm saying adapt the concepts and tone. Gerber's run is best known for taking the whole talking Disney animal character idea and making it a sarcastic, mean, and kind of cynical character, teaming up with serious characters to go on wacky adventures, parodying movies and comics, and being fun. How can you NOT make a movie of this? This could be Marvel Studios' Deadpool movie and they wouldn't even have to use Deadpool.

 

[DIrishB]

I was referring to horror films where the antagonists didn't speak as reference on making Man-Thing scary and sympathetic (you do start to somewhat pity Michael Myers and Jason the further the series goes). Okay, lemme break it down for you. Man-Thing WOULD be a main character, he'd be fighting some Marvel villain, and the movie would also have human main characters (Stephanie Szostak could return so we could see how she got those scars). HOWEVER Man-Thing would be more like how Godzilla is a main character in his movies. We'd get scenes of him alone interacting with animals and nature to make him sympathetic but from the humans' side he's a monster (people fear what they don't understand). The bad guy's goal could be destroying the swamp or something like that (I'm not getting paid to write this so I'm going the cliche route). The movie would show the humans how they were wrong about Man-Thing and by the end he'd be the hero in their eyes. I threw in some Nolan Batman references to make it easier for you to read More realistically though he'd probably be in Agents of SHIELD. ESPECIALLY with Mockingbird joining the cast.

And again, the comparisons to Michael Myers, Jason, and Leatherface make no sense in that comparison. You're essentially just describing a mute Swamp Thing, which is fine. But horror movie icons as references don't work in that context.

Please, I beg you, think about what I'm saying. I'm not saying adapt the stories. I'm saying adapt the concepts and tone. Gerber's run is best known for taking the whole talking Disney animal character idea and making it a sarcastic, mean, and kind of cynical character, teaming up with serious characters to go on wacky adventures, parodying movies and comics, and being fun. How can you NOT make a movie of this? This could be Marvel Studios' Deadpool movie and they wouldn't even have to use Deadpool.

And that's fine. But you're then abandoning the social commentary aspect of Gerber's run in favor of more modern day references and social commentary which pertains to modern day, which is fine.

 

[wyokid]

And again, the comparisons to Michael Myers, Jason, and Leatherface make no sense in that comparison. You're essentially just describing a mute Swamp Thing, which is fine. But horror movie icons as references don't work in that context.

I wouldn't know. I've never read Swamp Thing in my life.

And that's fine. But you're then abandoning the social commentary aspect of Gerber's run in favor of more modern day references and social commentary which pertains to modern day, which is fine.

Which is part of the whole modernizing. It'd still be faithful to Gerber's stuff though.

 

[DIrishB]

I wouldn't know. I've never read Swamp Thing in my life.

If you've read a Man-Thing comic, it's basically that with talking.

Which is part of the whole modernizing. It'd still be faithful to Gerber's stuff though.

But it wouldn't be, really. You can't modernize the social commentary which pertained to Gerber's run on the series to modern day problems and have it be the same. I suppose certain elements would be able to be adapted and stay true to the original comics, but not much other than the character's actions and the tone.

 

[wyokid]

If you've read a Man-Thing comic, it's basically that with talking.

I've read the omnibus and the miniseries that Steve Gerber wrote but wasn't released. I just figured it'd be easier to make a movie without him talking. Maybe have him finally talk at the end for an emotional beat or a badass moment sort of like that moment from The Incredible Hulk.

But it wouldn't be, really. You can't modernize the social commentary which pertained to Gerber's run on the series to modern day problems and have it be the same. I suppose certain elements would be able to be adapted and stay true to the original comics, but not much other than the character's actions and the tone.

I'd say GOTG adapted DnA's run even though that story never happened wouldn't you? I suppose I should use quotes when I say "adapt".

 

[DIrishB]

I've read the omnibus and the miniseries that Steve Gerber wrote but wasn't released. I just figured it'd be easier to make a movie without him talking. Maybe have him finally talk at the end for an emotional beat or a badass moment sort of like that moment from The Incredible Hulk. I'd say GOTG adapted DnA's run even though that story never happened wouldn't you? I suppose I should use quotes when I say "adapt".

GotG also isn't mainly known for it's social commentary like Howard the Duck is, so again, not really an apt comparison. However, I'm not opposed to a Howard the Duck film, I just don't see a need at the time when there are far more compelling characters for Marvel to bring to life onscreen. When, and if, they reach a point where they feel it's time for a Howard the Duck remake (hopefully without guitar solos), I'm sure they'll do an original story that still draws from the original comics and stays true to the character. I just don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.

 

[wyokid]

RUMOR: Marvel Studios Moving Forward With Joe Robert Cole's Inhumans Script

 

[DIrishB]

RUMOR: Marvel Studios Moving Forward With Joe Robert Cole's Inhumans Script

Interesting. I guess GotG's success led to this being a sure thing.

 

[wyokid]

I finally watched the panels. As disappointing as the lack of news was Marvel still won as far as I'm considered. Especially the Avengers one which was so much fun. Also in a video on IGN (I don't have a link since I downloaded it around SDCC to watch later) Jeph Loeb confirmed that Deathlok's look will be evolving in season two of Agents of SHIELD.

 

[Ice]

'Captain America' Writers Want MODOK For Sequel

 

[Ultimate Houde]

I want MODOK for myself

 

[wyokid]

'Captain America' Writers Want MODOK For Sequel

 

[DIrishB]

‘Captain America’ Writers Want MODOK For Sequel

If he's not a giant floating head with midget arms and legs, GTFO!!

 

[wyokid]

I forgot that Agent Carter airs in January so there is DEFINITELY going to be crossover with Age of Ultron and, unfortunately, weeks with no new episodes. Hopefully the second half will be all in one run.

 

[DIrishB]

I forgot that Agent Carter airs in January so there is DEFINITELY going to be crossover with Age of Ultron and, unfortunately, weeks with no new episodes. Hopefully the second half will be all in one run.

Yeah, dude, I said exactly that awhile back in one of the threads... though for the life of me I can't find that post. I need to post less so I can find that stuff easier.

 

[wyokid]

So who do you guys hope will be in the Netflix shows? Personally I want Purple Man, Moon Knight, Blade, and Ghost Rider. The backstory for Jessica Jones is just begging to be put into a series and Moon Knight, Blade, and Ghost Rider would be a great setup for them to get their own series since they're all street level heroes as well. I'd also like Bullseye and Owl.

Yeah, dude, I said exactly that awhile back in one of the threads... though for the life of me I can't find that post. I need to post less so I can find that stuff easier.

You were more assuming, I'm confirming

 

[DIrishB]

So who do you guys hope will be in the Netflix shows? Personally I want Purple Man, Moon Knight, Blade, and Ghost Rider. The backstory for Jessica Jones is just begging to be put into a series and Moon Knight, Blade, and Ghost Rider would be a great setup for them to get their own series since they're all street level heroes as well. I'd also like Bullseye and Owl.

I doubt they'll have enough of a budget to do Ghost Rider's flaming skull effect properly.

You were more assuming, I'm confirming

It was obvious based on the fact Agent Carter is acting as a mid season bridge.

 

[wyokid]

I don't know man, $200 million for 60 episodes is a lot of money.

 

[DIrishB]

I don't know man, $200 million for 60 episodes is a lot of money.

Not when you break it down.

According to Wikipedia:

In the United States, the average broadcast network drama costs $3 million an episode to produce, while cable dramas cost $2 million on average.

And if we evenly break it down, $200 million evenly spread across 60 episodes (obviously some will cost more, some less, but just to keep things simple) equals just above $3.3 million per episode. Now, the average network drama costs about $3 million, without the extra cost of superhero costumes, more extensive make up for fake injuries, more cost for action (explosions/pyrotechnics, wire work, fight choreography, etc).

Trust me, that $200 million budget for Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and The Defenders likely doesn't have much wiggle room to CGI Ghost Rider's flaming skull look into the series.

It may be a possibility down the road for his own series assuming the Netflix shows do well, which in all probability they will. It's possible GR may get another movie, rebooted in the MCU, but I could see a TV series on Netflix, along with Blade, Man-Thing (maybe), Moon Knight, etc as a sort of Phase 2 of the Netflix shows, leading maybe to a Midnight Sons crossover series.

 

[DARKKNIGHT]

Does Marvel have the film rights back for the Punisher? That would be cool to see, and would be doable on TV.

 

[thee great one]

Does Marvel have the film rights back for the Punisher? That would be cool to see, and would be doable on TV.

They do.