Ultimate X (Loeb/Adams)

[Zombipanda]

Zeek, you're too kind. As if Wolverine's kid will be different in terms of personality.

I love how, originally, one of Bill Jemas' reasons for doing the Ultimate line was that 'what ifs' didn't work. A big problem of the core universe was new readers couldn't get into it. However, one thing Marvel has tried to do, time and time again, is restart the Marvel universe with the next generation. The children of the old heroes. The idea behind this is that you have new superheroes who are just like the ones everyone loves, but because they are young and new, they have no continuity and people can grow up with them!

Except it has always failed because their very presence belies a larger continuity that took place before them that you're supposed to know about. It also becomes thought of as 'not real' because the 'real' versions are still having present-day adventures in the 'real' universe. And because people want Wolverine not Wolverine's kid who's exactly the same.

Their 'bold, new direction' is the same damn direction everyone's tried since ****ing Popeye and Son and it has never, ever worked. What's more, the Ultimate universe was designed specifically to combat this kind of reinvention. It's a 'what if' of a ****** 'what if' now.

How can anyone involved in this book honestly think it is a good idea to kill off Wolverine in a poor fight, only to replace him with his kid-version?

If you want to tell stories about Wolverine, then don't kill him off. Dammit!

Quite rightly. The way to do a what-if universe right is just careful editorial, insuring that the characters themselves remain unchanged, unfettered by layers of confusing back-story. Characters can grow and evolve, but at their core, they need to stay simple and iconic enough for anyone to jump in without knowing a tangled web of background.

And the funny thing is, Wolverine, in either universe, is about the least needed reboot ever. Despite the pages and pages of twists and turns in the character, he's essentially a simple character in whatever universe you place him in. He's a short, hairy guy with claws on his hands, who eviscerates anything he comes in contact with. That's it. That's all you need to know.

Which leads me to....

The problem I have with Wolverine having a son is that it adds to HIS character and not his son's. I still know nothing about Wolvie Jr., and I certainly don't care about him...

Exactly! All you're doing is straying away from the core concept. All you're doing is diluting and complicating the story of Wolverine and his son and making both more difficult to relate to.

 

[ultimatedjf]

So he's basically ultimate Daken?

Hah!

 

[the watcher]

Comics Continuum is the worst comics website ever. It's slow and ugly and I'm about to add the domain to the swear filter so that no one can link to it anymore.

Wait, you were in a hurry to read this??. I knew you were a gluten for punishment, but this really...

 

[E]

Wait, you were in a hurry to read this??. I knew you were a gluten for punishment, but this really...

Call it morbid curiosity.

 

[Ultimate Houde]

E is a piece of wheat?

 

[J. Agamemnon]

E is a piece of wheat?

HAH! you beat me to the punchline.

 

[robje]

Guys, im confused. If wolverine is dead in the present, how can he be Cable in the future?

Or is this new kid gonna be cable?

 

[-beardoms-]

Alternate Timelines

 

[DIrishB]

*sigh*

 

[E]

Guys, im confused. If wolverine is dead in the present, how can he be Cable in the future?

Or is this new kid gonna be cable?

Right!

Alternate Timelines

Except there are no indications that's the case.

 

[Captain Canuck]

Guys, im confused. If wolverine is dead in the present, how can he be Cable in the future?

Or is this new kid gonna be cable?

Alternate Timelines

This is the answer to your question robje.

*sigh*

sorry, DIB

Except there are no indications that's the case.

naw, in the awful apocalypse story they stopped apocalypse and prevented that future. Phoenix gave Wolverine his healing factor back and his arm grew back.

 

[Ice]

Guys, im confused. If wolverine is dead in the present, how can he be Cable in the future?

Or is this new kid gonna be cable?

Glad you thought of it. Wanna know why? Because this is not in Marvel Editors' head.

 

[the watcher]

An interview with Jeph Loeb on Ultimate X:

Jeph Loeb: Ultimatum was and is very much a Michael Bay movie. It's a big, noisy, disaster story about a massive change in the Ultimate Universe...

Wow, he hit the head of the nail on that one.


read more (if you want) here: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/jeph-loeb-ultimate-x-100202.html

 

[Zeek]

That interview almost seemed optimistic on the part of the interviewer. Which astonishes me. I mean, yes, the preview was better than Ultimatum, but so was Ultimates 3, and Ultimates 3 was ass. I find it so hard to get on board with the basic idea, because none of the characters seem original or intriguing in any way.

 

[X_Toad]

You may have missed the fact that the interviewer has already read the issue, not only the preview. He is more "knowledgeable" than us right now.

 

[Zeek]

You may have missed the fact that the interviewer has already read the issue, not only the preview. He is more "knowledgeable" than us right now.

No, yeah, I know he has. And Comicsbulletin also responded relatively positively (3.5/5!). Guys....what if this doesn't totally suck?

 

[Mattimeo84]

No, yeah, I know he has. And Comicsbulletin also responded relatively positively (3.5/5!). Guys....what if this doesn't totally suck?

It's the end of the world as we know it.

 

[Drunken Pickle]

Okay....

Spoiler

Kitty shows up, gives Jimmy Wolverine's box from Ultimatum and in it, among other things, is a holo-projector of Wolverine explaining he's Jim's real father. Not only does Jimmy have bone claws but he can coat them with adamantium by will (seriously) .

Spoiler

So now Wolverine figured out at some point who is son was but not his wife. And he had said son with said wife, to me, during the Gulf War when he was caged in Weapon X and hooked the Hudson's up together and gave them his son during that time too probably even though he was mostly animal like

Don't know bout any of you but Jimmy emerging from the wreck... He looked like Willem Dafoe

Oh and there was a preview for New Ultimates... It was trash

 

[Drunken Pickle]

Crap... Sorry about that.

 

[DIrishB]

Okay....

Spoiler

Kitty shows up, gives Jimmy Wolverine's box from Ultimatum and in it, among other things, is a holo-projector of Wolverine explaining he's Jim's real father. Not only does Jimmy have bone claws but he can coat them with adamantium by will (seriously) .

Spoiler

So now Wolverine figured out at some point who is son was but not his wife. And he had said son with said wife, to me, during the Gulf War when he was caged in Weapon X and hooked the Hudson's up together and gave them his son during that time too probably even though he was mostly animal like

WHAT THE HELL, LOEB!?! WHAT THE HELL!!!???!!!

Don't know bout any of you but Jimmy emerging from the wreck... He looked like Willem Dafoe

Its pretty much a given that if you're face is melting off, you look like Willem Dafoe.

 

[Void.M]

Its pretty much a given that if you're face is melting off, you look like Willem Dafoe.

What happend if it's d\Dafoe's face melting?

 

[DIrishB]

What happend if it's d\Dafoe's face melting?

Then he'd look like Joan Rivers.

 

[ultimatedjf]

CBR gave #1 4.5 stars out of 5.

 

[Drunken Pickle]

:arrgh:

 

[Ultimate Houde]

I just read 22 pages of nothing.

 

[E]

No, yeah, I know he has. And Comicsbulletin also responded relatively positively (3.5/5!). Guys....what if this doesn't totally suck?

Well! I think that theory is right out the window.

 

[Zeek]

Well! I think that theory is right out the window.

Agreed. Christ that sounds like trash.

 

[E]

Agreed. Christ that sounds like trash.

Points for optimism though.

 

[vmenge]

Well, I started reading thinking it would suck donkey balls and was actually surprised by the fact it didn't. It wasn't a wonderful read, but it was ok, kinda interesting. Loeb still needs to find new ways of getting readers to know character names, the lettering sucks, and the preview for New Ultimates was awful

 

[Captain Canuck]

I just read 22 pages of nothing.

you actually read this?

and you think I'm stupid?