Civil War series discussion (spoilers)

[Void.M]

Eh, im ok with Waiting at least the others didnt get delayed.

 

[Friday]

wow what a pair

millar has chrons disease, and mcniven get's strep throat

these are pretty good excuses for books being late, i don't understand why people are so upset about it



atleast they didn't dump another 12 tie-ins on us to make up for it

Well, I'd say its because you'd think a company would do the appropriate amount of lead in time to eliminate lateness factors. If you're got a writer with known health problems and an admittedly slow artist then maybe, just maybe, they'll need more time than 7 months for 7 issues. Its not "you bastards work sick!" its "why didn't they plan for this properly?".

 

[supermusli]

When? When Peter registered. To quit? Nope. The only thing that truly goes against the registration act is that it does not offer choice. To drive, you need a license. You don't have to get a license, but if you drive without one and get caught, there will be consequences. The same thing should apply here, but it doesn't. That whole Nitro and New Warriors event fell victim to what happens when just about any event like this turns political. People forget who the real villains are and what the real tragedy is.

Ok, but even if you HAVE a drivers license, you´re not obligated to drive. Peters identity is known, and SHIELD have him in the database. As long as he doesn´t do anything heroish, he shouldnt be imprisoned. Of course, the first thing he does is run away and joins the resitance, so thats a different matter. It´s just that the common reaction to everything in this comics seems to be to punch an old friend in the face. Not my cup of tea.

 

[Friday]

http://wizarduniverse.stores.yahoo.net/dec064298.html

That is all.

 

[Grocer Man]

That would be so much cooler with a picture.

I'm hoping that this just means Spider-Man gets the powers of Loki somehow. Because the alternative makes no sense.

 

[Friday]

That would be so much cooler with a picture.

I'm hoping that this just means Spider-Man gets the powers of Loki somehow. Because the alternative makes no sense.

What if it was Loki in the background playing with a Spider-man marionette?

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

... Are you ****ing kidding me?!

Loki?!

You realize that's how they're going to make everything go back to the point where Iron Man is a likable super-hero... He'll have been manipulated by Loki.

 

[Ultimate Houde]

At the beginning, didn't I state that the heroes were being played?

And none of you wanted to believe me.

This Civil War is eeringly similar to Ultimates 2 now.

 

[Victor Von Doom]

While I would love to see the return of Loki (the fanboy in me is dying for a Loki/Ares throwdown)........if this is true---it just seems forced.

It's like Millar started writing the story and actually had a huge idea of what he wanted to do with it and then realized that he's not gonna be able to wrap this up in 2 issues and decided to opt for the DEM ending.

 

[E]

At the beginning, didn't I state that the heroes were being played?

And none of you wanted to believe me.

This Civil War is eeringly similar to Ultimates 2 now.

I had always thought they were being played, too.

But I never would have guessed by Loki.

Hopefully we're all wrong, because that would suck.

 

[Ultimate Houde]

I had always thought they were being played, too.

But I never would have guessed by Loki.

Hopefully we're all wrong, because that would suck.

I guessed Mephisto

 

[ProjectX2]

I guessed Mephisto

Yeah, same here.

This doesn't mean anything though.

But knowing Millar, and knowing Queseda, yes, Loki is behind everything, because he's crazy. BENDIS!

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

I don't think it's a bad twist. It's a nice homeage to why the Avengers came together to begin with and now they're torn apart by it. Kind've redundant though considering the Ultimate Universe.

 

[Fredrik Martinsson]

IF Loki is behind all Civil War (which I doubt but I think he is involved in the Spider-Man Unmasked Saga) it will destroy everything that makes Civil War a good story and great impact on the Marvel Universe. The Status Quo will be restored to almost the ordinary afterwards in the sense that the political aspect won't be there anymore.

In my opinion, if Loki is behind all this than the Civil War story will be the worst major event that Marvel has published in the last 10 years.

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

Why does it have to go back to the way it was? So what if Loki manipulated him? Satan (or whoever/whatever) brings temptations to our lives everyday and makes us act out of character but once we do those things, the consequences remain with us forever. I think too many people are looking at it like everything can be undone. It doesn't necessarily have to be Loki pulling Tony's strings but rather putting all of the pieces in place.

 

[Fredrik Martinsson]

It removes the fact that they people that are involved in Civil War are uterly responsible for their actions. Even if it is so that Loki put all the pieces into place for Tony he can still get away with what he have done by blaming Loki and if he can do that then his story in civil War can easily be retconned. And if I know Marvel right then everything than CAN be retconned WILL somehow, totally or just details, be retconned.

Also the political message that the heroes isn't just a onetracked majority that can pull anything together, like in some freaking afterschool special, if they just work together but actually have different political views in MAJOR events will be completely erased.

I put Tony as an example but the same goes for all the major players in Civil War.

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

... Didn't Loki die with the other Norse Gods?

 

[TwilightEL]

Maybe Spider-Man is going to call in his favor to get Loki to wipe his identity out of everyone's minds again.

 

[Random]

... Didn't Loki die with the other Norse Gods?

Maybe Reed will make a clone?

 

[Gemini]

I guessed Mephisto

i guessed annihilus

i just can't fathom what's going on in annihilation not being noticed by earth, there has to be some manipulation there

 

[E]

Maybe Reed will make a clone?

Oh dear.

 

[Ultimate MJ]

Oh dear.

There has to be something more going on with Clor.

My roommate just read all the CW's tonight, and he made a good point. How the **** do you clone a GOD?!?!? Unless you also bring back Asgard, how would he get his power?

Maybe Reed accidentally brought back the Norse gods in their entirety...?

 

[E]

There has to be something more going on with Clor.

My roommate just read all the CW's tonight, and he made a good point. How the **** do you clone a GOD?!?!? Unless you also bring back Asgard, how would he get his power?

I hope you're right, but I don't have much faith that it is.

 

[Fredrik Martinsson]

Actually I think that Reed cloned the human manifestation of Thor and Clor's powers is based on technology not from the genetic compound so I guess that the powers couldn't be cloned.

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

Actually I think that Reed cloned the human manifestation of Thor and Clor's powers is based on technology not from the genetic compound so I guess that the powers couldn't be cloned.

That's what they said in the comic.

 

[Ultimate MJ]

That's what they said in the comic.

Where did they say that? Was it in a tie-in or something?

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

Where did they say that? Was it in a tie-in or something?

No. It was in the scene where Reed was working on Clor on the table. I'm pretty sure they explained that the Hammer was fake and only mimicked his powers.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

No. It was in the scene where Reed was working on Clor on the table. I'm pretty sure they explained that the Hammer was fake and only mimicked his powers.

Then what was the scene in the FF "Road to Civil War" about? Clor beats his way past a bunch of guys who are trying to lift the hammer, grabs the hammer and is consumed in a blaze of light.

Unless they bring back the "real" Thor, which probably won't happen because I'm pretty sure Quesada said he was going to make the new Thor series with Clor. It's implied that Thor essence or spirit will return to the body of the clone and be pissed that they tried to bring him back.

 

[Ultimate Quicksilver]

Then what was the scene in the FF "Road to Civil War" about? Clor beats his way past a bunch of guys who are trying to lift the hammer, grabs the hammer and is consumed in a blaze of light.

Unless they bring back the "real" Thor, which probably won't happen because I'm pretty sure Quesada said he was going to make the new Thor series with Clor. It's implied that Thor essence or spirit will return to the body of the clone and be pissed that they tried to bring him back.

I think that was the real Thor, since Clor's Hammer is made by Reed, it's not magical.

 

[Ultimate Houde]

Clor and Thor different people

Quesada said JMS is writing a new series with THOR

Clor will be in it, but as a villian

Why do we have this discussion every few pages