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Sorry, with the random outburst in the Criminal thread without an explanation, and saying something completely different about the link that the guy who hates Civil War said about it, I thought you'd lost your marbles.
 
Sorry, with the random outburst in the Criminal thread without an explanation, and saying something completely different about the link that the guy who hates Civil War said about it, I thought you'd lost your marbles.

It happens. Should I start a new thread for War Crimes and Casualties or discuss them here?
 
I read it, and it was pretty good, not monumental, but good. I liked the history, they really did their homework with all the continuity for this book.

3.5/5


The art wasn't bad either.
 
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Civil War; War Crimes #1
Written by Frank Tieri
Art by Staz Johnson


• A flashback reveals that as a kid, Kingpin never got to play with his peers because they made fun of him and ridiculed his appearance. In present day, Kingpin is on Riker's Island and hires the Enforcers to beat up on an inmate who showered in his personal shower stall.

• It turns out that Kingpin has a man named Mr. Barrett who takes care of his hands-on work like talking to inmates and guards. Hammerhead, a metahuman mobster with a flat adamantium skull, approaches Kingpin to tell him he's made parole and will be taking over the crime on the streets of New York while Kingpin rots in jail.

• Just then, Tony Stark appears in the prison to talk with Kingpin. Apparently, he and Kingpin belonged to the same social circles as millionaires and used to play chess together.

• Kingpin tells Tony he'd like to assist the government in finiding Captain America like Lucky Luciano, a famous mobster from New York's past, did for the government during World War II. Luciano stopped German U-Boats from hitting port in secret during the war. Tony agrees to allow Kingpin help based on the quality of his information.

• Outside the prison, Hammerhead talks with Trapster and Slyde to recruit them to his side. When Slyde declines, Hammerhead has a mobster named Underworld shoot him the head. As word of Kingpins loss of control reaches prison, attempts are made on Kingpins life, to no avail. His assailants are not capable of taking him down.

• During a later meeting with Tony Stark in prison, Kingpin provides the secret aliases of Cap and his followers. Meanwhile, Barrett meets with his wife, who visits him in prison. He gets info from her about Hammerhead recruiting criminals and he hands her a secret note to give to an unidentified person.

• Later, Tony comes to Kingpin to notify him that the government has captured Cloak and Dagger. Kingpin then tells Tony he can hand the government the exact whereabouts of Captain America and the anti-registration forces but only if he can get out of prison. Maria Hill approves the request and Kingpin provides an address.

• Iron Man and his people descend on the building in the address and discover that it is actually a meeting Hammerhead is having with a wide array of criminals who hope to take advantage of the heroes' civil war.

• When Tony goes back to the Rikers to yell at Kingpin, Mr. Barrett tells Tony that Kingpin doesn't want to see him. A quick change of scene later shows that Captain America was actually working with Kingpin in some capacity to bring down the cadre of criminals and traded secrets with Kingpin to confuse Tony. The note that Barrett's wife took out was to Captain America.

• Later, in a prison hospital bed, Hammerhead is visited by Underworld, who then shoots hammerhead in the face. Turns out Underworld worked for Kingpin and actually hated Hammerhead for a past double-cross. Back in prison, Kingpin gets back his reputation as a master criminal because of the fast one he pulled on Tony and the government.

Why I loved this issue? The Lucky Luciano talk, the focus on Wilson Fisk, the fact that he remains one of the most powerful villains in the MU, More Turk!!
 
• It turns out that Kingpin has a man named Mr. Barrett who takes care of his hands-on work like talking to inmates and guards. Hammerhead, a metahuman mobster with a flat adamantium skull, approaches Kingpin to tell him he's made parole and will be taking over the crime on the streets of New York while Kingpin rots in jail.


That would be Hammerhead.
 
What would be Hammerhead? Do you mean Mr. Bannett? Because that's actually Turk. If you mean "That's just like Hammerhead to take over Kingpin's territories." Then you'd be correct.

I mean the guy with the adamantium skull would be Hammerhead...the post said ''someguy''


Me. I thought it was kind've cool. I don't need to do a summary because Everything can be found here (Spoilers)

Never realized how dumb Tony looks under the armor.




I was about to say that.
 
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Just read frontline #9

to summarize , the reporter girl doesn't like the ideas of Cap, and leaves the room (where everybodyelse wanted to be).

Urich and Spidey are doing a little research on Stark's capital. They find out that Stark was getting prepared for the Civil War even before the act.

A riot starts in the prison, and Speedball finally makes a nice move, and looks like he wants to be a part of the a-list heroes, maybe b-list dunno.

Tony tells Reed he knows the betrayer among them, Namor and Atlantis are moving towards America to attack.

The interrogation of Norman Osborn keeps on, and looks like there is a big consipiracy going on.

...3/5

Looks like all our heroes are starting to come to their senses finally.And the events are finally getting to an interesting point.Looking forward to see what Civil War will bring to our lives (more than what it already did).
 
Urich and Spidey are doing a little research on Stark's capital. They find out that Stark was getting prepared for the Civil War even before the act.

Anyone else want to see a big Doom vrs Iron man mini after this. I mean they're both ruthless bastards in armor.:twisted:
 
Anyone else want to see a big Doom vrs Iron man mini after this. I mean they're both ruthless bastards in armor.:twisted:

the only difference between them is , everything about Dr.Doom is cool
(cool is not enough as a word)

and only thing cool with Iron Man is that the recent armor looks extremely cool.

and yea that mini would be pretty hot :)
 
the only difference between them is , everything about Dr.Doom is cool
(cool is not enough as a word)

and only thing cool with Iron Man is that the recent armor looks extremely cool.

and yea that mini would be pretty hot :)

Doom ongoing in 2007!

I'd buy it. ****, I'd buy two.

EDIT: How ****ing amazing would it be if thats the next Hitlar project?

....**** yes man.... Civil War would be worth it...
 
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i thought the civil war books for this week were very good, they reminded me why i liked civil war in the first place

Duh, this week was what the whole civil war should be!

Everyone is using all they can use to achieve whatever they are trying to achieve, Both Iron Man and Cap working with W.F. (the chess game between Tony and Kingpin + the letter Cap gets form W.F.).

Finally Atlantis getting involved in the war (and Wakanda did that a few days ago in Black Panther ongoing).

Spider-Man starting to think on his own (finally, it has been some time), not working with both sides.Haven't seen him anywhere around Cap since Civil War #5.

And my favorite second superhero slowly turning into my second favorite super villain(that's Iron Man as you can probably guess).
 
this weeks books have made me suspect two things

- henry pym is the traitor in front line (dunno why just a hunch)
- speedball is penance (he was in pain when he let off both of those charges)
 
War Crimes and Causalities of War were both excellent. I especially liked Casualities. Cap and Tony's talking was excellently written.
 
Only Fantastic Four and New Avengers Illuminati
issues left that I didn't read this week

Until then, a lot happened this week to summarize

* Both Tony and Cap made a deal with the Kingpin

* Tony and Cap met 2 times:
1 in the casualties of war (which was a real cool dialouge!)
2 in Iron Man #14 (which was a cool fight)

*Iron Man has new powers. Now he has spidey-sense too!
Oh, and he beats spidey up pretty bad

*The reporter girl really smacked one on Cap's face!

*Atlantis is entering the Civil War beware!

*and many more!

lol this week is the sex of Civil War :)
 
Wow. War crimes was amazing! Iron Man and Cap not so great.
This is what I was waiting in Civil War, that was awesome, but I saw some people trying to compare Cap and Iron man, because of Wilson Fisk, but they have to remind that even though Cap was doing bussiness with Fisk, they were after a bunch of criminals taking advantage of the civil war. The Thunderbolts should be used as such, but until now they only beated the crap out of spider. And they have chips in their brains.
The War crimes justreinforced my idea that the pro-reg are evil and the anti-reg, although fugitives, cares about the country.
In frontline I think that reporter was really a ***** talking to Cap, she didn't even listen to the guy, the pro-reg are evil bastards and they don't care what they do as long as they win in the end.
I don't know what I think about Speedball registering...It's kinda like when someone is kidnaped and starts to have feelings for the kidnapper (that has a name, but I really don't know)

5/5 to War Crimes
 
Stockholm syndrome.

Sally Floyd was a huge ***** in Front Line. I don't know where that came from, honestly.

Cap was the big cliffhanger at the end of the previous issue and he gets two pages in this one. Lame.
 
To summarize my feelings on what happens this week

Frontline #9
This was the worst issue of this week, that reporter searched for Captain America for whole 8 issues of Frontline and when she finds him she doesn't even listen to him.

On the other hand I loved the research Spider-Man and Ben Urich did ,but I really don't understand how they can break into Stark's personal files from a simple PC , that's nearly impossible even for the geek parker is because simply tony is an even greater geek and he has direct connection to that filesystem with the help of Extremis.So even this part sucks.

War Crimes
This was the surprise of the week, I loved how the underworld got involved, and how Wilson Fisk manipulated everyone.Amazing job.

Cap/IM Casualties of War
This is the hit of this week! You can feel the desperation of both Cap and Tony from their eyes thanx to the lovely artwork.And the story is great too, in every word they say, you can feel their companionship, their respect to each other.
So far this is the best Civil War issue ever.

Fantastic Four #541
Thing in France? not such an important and hitting case, still it's nice to see how things work the old-fashioned way.Not a hit for sure

Iron Man #14
And this is it! This is the surprise, You think Tony Stark is Dr.Doom of next generation? Read this one and your thoughts will change, you will see the fall of the Golden Avenger, how everyone he ever cared for left him alone, how he tried to get back at them, and how much he got hurt!

Sensational Spider-Man #33
Even if it's not an official tie-in to Civil War, it's nice to see how it affected Aunt May (yeah they are nice writers even a story about Aunt May is cool).
Think about an old woman who is forced to run from everything and everyone,
and still she tries to heal her nephew(who is not such a normal kid)

I wish every week of marvel was like this one lal la lal la la laaaaa
 
They will on Thursday...



My store got it today. I havent picked it up yet so in the end of the day i'll find out with the rest of ya.


My friends told me that basicly goes into 42 to break everyone out.
 
My store got it today. I havent picked it up yet so in the end of the day i'll find out with the rest of ya.


My friends told me that basicly goes into 42 to break everyone out.
Where are you from again?

In the U.S., nothing is shipped until Thursday because of New Year's Day pushing shipment a day later.
 

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