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stphylcccs said:
At the end of Conker's Bad Fur Day (which I presume you're referring to? There isn't a game in the series titled 'Conker', this is the main one, anyway), the game crashes due to a bug, but Conker promises the dev they won't tell anyone if they give him a way to fight off the alien, so that could just be Conker breaking the fourth wall again. I plan to add every port/adaptation eventually, and due to the nature of CBFD I doubt it'd happen twice, though the remake will at least be on the timeline as a retelling
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That's fair. The Conker series is definitely a lot looser with the 4th wall breaking stuff
 
Also another game you could possibly add, Dr Sciencestein from Wario Land/Dr Mario 64 is actually originally from a game called Frog For Whom The Bell Tolls, so that could be added as well I think, it's the game the Prince of Sable is from (the assist trophy in Smash who turns into a frog and snake)
 
There's also an enemy in Ice Climber that I believe originated from DK Jr or something but I'd have to check again to be sure
 
stphylcccs said:
I did, however, do some research and Diddy Kong Racing never even mentions Kazooie's absence in the game, so it doesn't need to be before Banjo-Kazooie, as there are a plethora of reasons Kazooie didn't show up - the most likely being Diddy Kong is more acquainted with Banjo specifically
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Have you read the manual? It's literally in there
 
stphylcccs said:
They recounted it, but didn't show any source. I initially didn't mind, but I couldn't find the quote anywhere so they could just be remembering wrong. Diddy Kong Racing released before Banjo-Kazooie, so they were just showing off the Banjo character since they already had the model (at least, that's the reason he was included) so they had no need to state he didn't come with Kazooie, or that they hadn't met, since Kazooie wasn't an established character. The reason DK Racing is where it is, is because the DS port features a matured Tiny Kong, which happens around the time of the placement
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I copied it from the Mario Wiki and just double checked with the actual english manual
 
I read the manual on Internet Archive and... yeah, my bad. Though, after doing research on Banjo-Kazooie, the only things that place it in '98 are the fact that it released then, and that Gruntilda says she wants to be as pretty as Victoria Beckham. Victoria Beckham was most popular in the '90s, though was still popular into the late 2000s, so I can move the BK games up no problem
 
stphylcccs said:
I read the manual on Internet Archive and... yeah, my bad. Though, after doing research on Banjo-Kazooie, the only things that place it in '98 are the fact that it released then, and that Gruntilda says she wants to be as pretty as Victoria Beckham. Victoria Beckham was most popular in the '90s, though was still popular into the late 2000s, so I can move the BK games up no problem
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In the Nuts'n'Bolts Intro, we see these years:

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Honestly I think I'm starting to change my mind maybe Banjo and Conker can still happen on Mario's world. Greg Mayles when saying they weren't the same world said it worked like "the marvel heroes meeting each other" which is the same world as each other obviously, so I guess it's sorta possible he just doesn't know how shared universes work or something? Maybe?
 
Rojinn said:
In the Nuts'n'Bolts Intro, we see these years:

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Those are just the years the games released, so that could be excused, but that just doesn't sit right with me... I guess you could say the DK Racing manual was retconned by DK Racing DS, which moved the game up the timeline due to Tiny Kong being fully matured. You'd have to move loads of DK games down by a few years otherwise, which messes with the overall timeline, so I can't do that. I'm leaning towards the idea of DK Racing DS retconning the manual...
 
I've also been reading through the other timeline, I'm about halfway through and it's becoming evident how drastically different the timelines are, though they do seem to just be placing games on a whim and seeing if it works. I'd rather leave them around their release date, unless explicitly stated otherwise
 
stphylcccs said:
I've also been reading through the other timeline, I'm about halfway through and it's becoming evident how drastically different the timelines are, though they do seem to just be placing games on a whim and seeing if it works. I'd rather leave them around their release date, unless explicitly stated otherwise
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Wdym on a whim? It lists the evidence that would imply which games it takes place before or after, such as character or location design changes or certain items being destroyed or discovered
 
Elly said:
Wdym on a whim? It lists the evidence that would imply which games it takes place before or after, such as character or location design changes or certain items being destroyed or discovered
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Sorry, I should've been clearer. SOME games seem to be placed on a whim, for no reason stated, that displace the game from it's release date unnecessarily (one I remember off the top of my head is Yoshi's Safari)
 
stphylcccs said:
Sorry, I should've been clearer. SOME games seem to be placed on a whim, for no reason stated, that displace the game from it's release date unnecessarily (one I remember off the top of my head is Yoshi's Safari)
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Ohhh alright. I do disagree with a few of the placements as well, not many but a few. I think Virtual Boy Wario Land should take place after WL3 I think the virtual boy game is the actual destruction of the bulldog plane since it gets inhabited by a family of squirrels there, we don't see it completely destroyed in WL3 it just crashes there. I know the safari hat is a point of contention but Wario throws multiple away in Mario & Wario so he could just have multiple tbh.
 
The SSX games I think are safe to assume are definitive canon, iirc one of the Cards you can get in Mario and Luigi Paper Jam depicts a moment from SSX iirc. It's been awhile though so I forgot the exact context
 
Something not mentioned in either timeline, but in the Mario RPG remake there's text that states swords don't exist in Mario's universe so he doesn't know what the big giant sword guy is. Which means any other Mario game with a sword has to take place after RPG
 
Elly said:
Something not mentioned in either timeline, but in the Mario RPG remake there's text that states swords don't exist in Mario's universe so he doesn't know what the big giant sword guy is. Which means any other Mario game with a sword has to take place after RPG
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Wait... what? Why did they include that???
 
Okay, so... it states the name of the sword guy (Exor) is based off Excalibur (further implying the connection between the Mushroom World and Earth is intra-dimensional cuz why else would an inhabitant of the Mushroom World be named after something on Earth if travel between the two was scarce?) but Mario doesn't get the reference because swords don't exist in the Mushroom World... well, they clearly do, because Exor's there. I'd say swords are just very uncommon in the Mushroom World and non-existent in the Mushroom Kingdom (at least up until this point). Crisis averted...
 
stphylcccs said:
Okay, so... it states the name of the sword guy (Exor) is based off Excalibur (further implying the connection between the Mushroom World and Earth is intra-dimensional cuz why else would an inhabitant of the Mushroom World be named after something on Earth if travel between the two was scarce?) but Mario doesn't get the reference because swords don't exist in the Mushroom World... well, they clearly do, because Exor's there. I'd say swords are just very uncommon in the Mushroom World and non-existent in the Mushroom Kingdom (at least up until this point). Crisis averted...
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Exor actually isn't from the mushroom world, he and the smithy gang are from another dimension iirc
 
Elly said:
Exor actually isn't from the mushroom world, he and the smithy gang are from another dimension iirc
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Of course they are... I seem to remember cutlasses in a Mario game that takes place prior to RPG, probably Mario Land (fortunately, since that takes place in Sarasaland, the 'scarce in the Mushroom World, non-existent in the Mushroom Kingdom' theory still holds). Though, other than that, I don't think there are actually any games on the Mushroom World that have swords before RPG, so it's not as troublesome as it first seemed...
 
stphylcccs said:
Those are just the years the games released, so that could be excused, but that just doesn't sit right with me... I guess you could say the DK Racing manual was retconned by DK Racing DS, which moved the game up the timeline due to Tiny Kong being fully matured. You'd have to move loads of DK games down by a few years otherwise, which messes with the overall timeline, so I can't do that. I'm leaning towards the idea of DK Racing DS retconning the manual...
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Not a clean fix, but what if Diddy Kong Racing and Diddy Kong Racing DS are two distinct but very similar events instead of the same? There are some changes here and there, so it could work? So we place them in two spots and thus make both Tiny's age and Banjo's Timeline work?
 
Rojinn said:
Not a clean fix, but what if Diddy Kong Racing and Diddy Kong Racing DS are two distinct but very similar events instead of the same? There are some changes here and there, so it could work? So we place them in two spots and thus make both Tiny's age and Banjo's Timeline work?
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This also doesn't work, because the genie in DK Racing is stated to have not been seen for 50 years. So, unless you wanna put DK Racing 50 years before the port...
 
stphylcccs said:
This also doesn't work, because the genie in DK Racing is stated to have not been seen for 50 years. So, unless you wanna put DK Racing 50 years before the port...
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Was that ever stated in game? I've found that fifty year reference in the N64 Game Manual, but I'm not sure if the fifty year reference is in anything related to the DS version. Might be wrong tho
 
Rojinn said:
Was that ever stated in game? I've found that fifty year reference in the N64 Game Manual, but I'm not sure if the fifty year reference is in anything related to the DS version. Might be wrong tho
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Actually, I don't know if it is referenced in the DS port… I'll have to check that
 
animalia555 said:
Here's a link to the destructoid article about it. I also have the image saved on my pc. If you want it I can upload it here.
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I'm not really a fan of these types of Mario timelines, ones where they shove all the sports games into a "peace era" or whatever which kinda ignores the sports games with stories that still show Bowser as evil. And I also don't like putting Mario Land at the end because of the daisy thing, it's obvious to me that Nintendo doesn't see that as the ending and would never put Mario with Daisy and leaving peach, that's just not how they would handle things I feel, I think most people just do that because they want a firm "ending" to the Mario story which there just really isn't any.
 

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