Avengers Mighty Avengers Series Discussion **SPOILERS**

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Here's my rant from the New Member thread, reposted for Ice.

"We need a ninja."

I can't understand why that hasn't become an internet phenomenon on the level of "the ******* Batman".

And if you do need a ninja, you use them for ****ing ninja jobs, not running around next to the Sentry fighting monsters!

And Ultron is inexplicably female. I just don't trust Bendis to explain this at all without forever tainting Ultron with its evil.

Also, there's no logical reason for the Avengers to exist. Here are a few reasons why the team might have been assembled:

1. As Earth's Mightiest Heroes, to handle big-time threats. But then, why are they all staying together, all the time? Shouldn't they be spread out to back up inexperienced heroes? I can understand them coming together to fight off the Moleman if he's causing massive natural disasters, and Ultron is a natural enemy of the Avengers, but unless Earth is under threats 24/7, the Avengers don't have a reason to exist. This also makes the team make no sense. I'm saying that they're supposed to be the ultimate combat team... so why is Black Widow there? And Carol and Tony's criteria for them is "We need a Thor and a Wolverine" so I don't think they're really thinking about team dynamics and how they can handle threats and the team's not gonna be that great.

2. As the best in all their fields. The best tactician, the best stealth operative, the best slugger, the best at handling aliens. But then, the way they all just ran off to fight mole monsters together doesn't make any sense. They don't have any tech guys besides Tony, and even though he's clearly not always going to fight with them (or he would've been killed by being assimilated by Ultron) he still can't give them the full backup they need. And they're not picking the best of the best. What the hell is the Wasp the best at?

3. As a group of Tony's people, a team he can point at a problem and say "get that" and then deal with something else without breathing down their necks. But then, why would he put the unstable Sentry on the team and (though like I said, that's not really Tony fighting with them) put himself on the team?

4. As just another superhero team who handles global threats together. But then, why should they restrict themselves to such a small group with straightforward powers? The old Avengers had a huge lineup. Plus, they had such a wide range of powers. If the old Avengers ran across a problem that needed sonic powers or magic or electromagnetic powers, they could flip through the reserves and find either someone who had what they needed or had teamed up with someone who did. With these Avengers, once you take down or distract the obviously unstable Sentry, you just have to hit them until they stop moving except for Deus ex Tony.

5. I can't think of another five, but seriously, WTF is Wasp doing on the team? Nobody has begun to answer this question.
 
Also, there's no logical reason for the Avengers to exist. Here are a few reasons why the team might have been assembled:

Okay, well. First, the Avengers weren't a big team, not for a long, long time. The Mighty Avengers are bigger now than the original Avengers were for their first decade or so. Second, as bizarrely written as the "we need a ninja, a Wolverine, a Thor, a tandem bicycle and eye of newt" scene was, it was all about building the team dynamic. Third, Wasp is on the team because she's one of the most experienced heroes in the Marvel Universe. She's been around longer than almost anyone, she's been the leader of the Avengers, she's been through everything, seen everything, done everyone. . . She deserves to be on the team.
 
Okay, well. First, the Avengers weren't a big team, not for a long, long time. The Mighty Avengers are bigger now than the original Avengers were for their first decade or so. Second, as bizarrely written as the "we need a ninja, a Wolverine, a Thor, a tandem bicycle and eye of newt" scene was, it was all about building the team dynamic. Third, Wasp is on the team because she's one of the most experienced heroes in the Marvel Universe. She's been around longer than almost anyone, she's been the leader of the Avengers, she's been through everything, seen everything, done everyone. . . She deserves to be on the team.

But if that was a flaw of the Avengers Classic, then the Mighty Avengers should already be prepared for it. The Mighty Avengers don't have to be perfect, but they have to be able to handle all the threats and eliminate the problems the old teams encountered. The "team dynamic" was another problem those old teams encountered--people not working together, the most powerful member being completely insane. Those old teams didn't work, but Tony and Carol are just trying to imitate them as closely as possible. And it wasn't looking at the current state of affairs. They weren't asking, "What do we need to apprehend the New Avengers? How can we deal with magical threats? How can we keep this team from conflicting with SHIELD?"

And I guess I'll wait until a few arcs get under this team's belt before condemning the Wasp. She hasn't proven herself so far, but I guess she gets the benefit of the doubt for her years of past service.

Oh, wait, this team won't last a few arcs. World War Hulk. :roll:
 
Here's my rant from the New Member thread, reposted for Ice.

"We need a ninja."

I can't understand why that hasn't become an internet phenomenon on the level of "the ******* Batman".

And if you do need a ninja, you use them for ****ing ninja jobs, not running around next to the Sentry fighting monsters!

*Applause*

Seven Soldiers of Victory was so awesome.
 
Here's my rant from the New Member thread, reposted for Ice.

"We need a ninja."

I can't understand why that hasn't become an internet phenomenon on the level of "the ******* Batman".

And if you do need a ninja, you use them for ****ing ninja jobs, not running around next to the Sentry fighting monsters!

And Ultron is inexplicably female. I just don't trust Bendis to explain this at all without forever tainting Ultron with its evil.

Also, there's no logical reason for the Avengers to exist. Here are a few reasons why the team might have been assembled:

1. As Earth's Mightiest Heroes, to handle big-time threats. But then, why are they all staying together, all the time? Shouldn't they be spread out to back up inexperienced heroes? I can understand them coming together to fight off the Moleman if he's causing massive natural disasters, and Ultron is a natural enemy of the Avengers, but unless Earth is under threats 24/7, the Avengers don't have a reason to exist. This also makes the team make no sense. I'm saying that they're supposed to be the ultimate combat team... so why is Black Widow there? And Carol and Tony's criteria for them is "We need a Thor and a Wolverine" so I don't think they're really thinking about team dynamics and how they can handle threats and the team's not gonna be that great.

2. As the best in all their fields. The best tactician, the best stealth operative, the best slugger, the best at handling aliens. But then, the way they all just ran off to fight mole monsters together doesn't make any sense. They don't have any tech guys besides Tony, and even though he's clearly not always going to fight with them (or he would've been killed by being assimilated by Ultron) he still can't give them the full backup they need. And they're not picking the best of the best. What the hell is the Wasp the best at?

3. As a group of Tony's people, a team he can point at a problem and say "get that" and then deal with something else without breathing down their necks. But then, why would he put the unstable Sentry on the team and (though like I said, that's not really Tony fighting with them) put himself on the team?

4. As just another superhero team who handles global threats together. But then, why should they restrict themselves to such a small group with straightforward powers? The old Avengers had a huge lineup. Plus, they had such a wide range of powers. If the old Avengers ran across a problem that needed sonic powers or magic or electromagnetic powers, they could flip through the reserves and find either someone who had what they needed or had teamed up with someone who did. With these Avengers, once you take down or distract the obviously unstable Sentry, you just have to hit them until they stop moving except for Deus ex Tony.

5. I can't think of another five, but seriously, WTF is Wasp doing on the team? Nobody has begun to answer this question.

Yeah - it reads like no one has actually spent any time thinking this through on any level. I'm all for stories that don't make too much sense and have some plot holes here and there, but when half your first issue is talking about how and why a team is formed, it behooves you to have it make sense.

There's another reason why you don't need the Avengers as I pointed out earlier - if the Mole Man, with no prior warning, can attack a city and in four hours they can assemble a team of supers to battle him and effectively deploy them into the field, then the team for each job can be created as required by the mission - kinda like Global Frequency.

Which is a brilliant comic.

In fact, the reaction time would be less than this one because the characters required are already on duty, registered, and part of the initiative. Remember, in #1 it took SHIELD four hours to not only assemble a team and deploy it, but recruit it.

Beh. It feels like I'm spending more time thinking this comic through than Marvel.
 
I can't believe you guys can still find things to talk about with this.
 
I hate you all.


I'm allowed 3 horrible books to enjoy. And after going thru all my comics I get----I only have 2 guilty pleasures: Supergirl and Mighty Avengers.


So there!! :P
 
Just so you know this means your into people who say surgically change their gender. Because Ultron is a masculine robot now pocessing a males body and changed it into female.

A biological male getting a sex change wouldn't alter his genetic make-up. No matter what he does to his body, he'll always be a man. But Ultron is an "it." It has no gender, it's a construct of metal and circuitry. Ultron can look like anything it wants, but it'll always be an "it."
Think of a toy robot that moves and talks. It sounds like a boy, it looks like a boy... but you recycle it and it gets turned into a female robot dog. Does that mean it's a male robot dog? Nope, it's a female robot dog.

And if you think about it, a drawing can also be anything you want it to be... just look at Ronin. Looked like a man, but it was a woman wearing a muscle-suit. But it could had just as easily been DareDevil or Apocalypse.
 
Your opiniofact is opiniononsense. You must accept that you aren't allowed an opinion that isn't the same as mine. This is the internet after all.

Repent or I shall have the Technological Singularity turn you into a calculator.
 
Ok...so maybe not so much.

I agree that the idea of thought bubbles was a touch weird in #1 but I could look past it. But in #2 they were just plain distracting. And did I really need to know that Ares thinks he could have his way with Wasp?

Nay I say unto thee.



So yeah....while #1 wasn't without it's faults, it was still enjoyable to read. This one...not so much.



It appears this might not be such a stretch.


I admit that I was wrong. I wanna see thought bubbles like America wants to see Stiltman The Movie.


The art is still pretty. I'd like to have Bendis/Cho combo back on NA.
 
It was ok, but the thought bubbles are overused and overrated. Only Spiderman can pull that off imo. I enjoyed Janets reaction to Ultron and seriously doubt Tony's dead.
 
This entire storyline could be compressed into ONE ISSUE OF MARVEL ADVENTURES.

Think about it: the goofy gags, the random team lineup (WTF are you still doing there, Black Widow? Go away before Ultron melts your ***!), the big fight scenes... give Ultron clothes, remove references to Civil War and ****ty Bendis dialogue, and this could be an issue or two of Marvel Adventures Avengers.
 
What irks me most is that I'll probably continue to read this. Because despite is way apparrent flaws....it was still fun.

I think it has a large part to do with the art.


It didn't dawn on me until lunch today but I'm gonna go home and reread #1-2. I think I might've misunderstood what Bendis was trying to do here and I wanna make sure I'm getting what he's trying to convey.

It's not a deep theory....but it's still just a thought. What if Bendis is using the thought bubbles to portray the vast differences the heroes put forth. Carol might be spitting out orders...but in her mind she's scared ****less. Thus trying to humanize. Plus if he's trying to do that....the thougt boxes might take up too much room on the panels.

I think this all might be a formatting issue. If you place narration/thought boxes in the corners like most of the comics do...you tend to read those first. And if Bendis is trying to convey multiple inner thoughts at key times.....you can't use narration boxes because the flow is all off.

It's just a thought and not many people could care less due to the current status quo believing this book to be tripe. But if what I'm thinking is true....then it changes how I viewed #1 and 2.
 
I think that's exactly what they're there for. They show us every character's inner thoughts instead of just having one narrater at a time telling us how they're feeling. You get an immediate reaction to what the character thinks versus how the character acts.

Plus, a lot of them are just freaking funny.

There's one I didn't like though. Some character, I forget who, has a thought balloon that just says "Um." That was stupid, I grant you.
 
I think that's exactly what they're there for. They show us every character's inner thoughts instead of just having one narrater at a time telling us how they're feeling. You get an immediate reaction to what the character thinks versus how the character acts.

JLA does it better with the colored boxes.
 

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