Ultimate Comics Spider-Man/Miles Morales Discussion (SPOILERS)

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DIrishB said:
Isn't this sort of reminiscent of Peter's original thing with Gwen?
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Which part? Ganke? I don't think so - Ganke is a confidant and good friend. It seems more similar to what MU peter had with MJ. Sort of.
 
E said:
Which part? Ganke? I don't think so - Ganke is a confidant and good friend. It seems more similar to what MU peter had with MJ. Sort of.
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I was referring more to Peter and Gwen's romantic relationship, but now that I think about it I can't really remember if they had one. It's been a long time since I read the early portions of USM, so I may be way off base. I do remember MJ was jealous of Gwen moving in with Peter and Aunt May, so that's probably why I'm leaning towards that.
 
I agree that Ganke was more like what Peter had with MJ, minus romantic stuff. It was indeed a nice twist on the formula, but there's no reason that the dynamic can't continue with Katie-Kate in the mix.

I am kinda disappointed that the time skip is next issue, though. I wanted a fallout issue. It would be nice to see Miles dealing with the grief of losing his mother.
 
Do we know what this jump in time is supposed to be accomplishing? Why is it necessary?
 
DIrishB said:
I was referring more to Peter and Gwen's romantic relationship, but now that I think about it I can't really remember if they had one. It's been a long time since I read the early portions of USM, so I may be way off base. I do remember MJ was jealous of Gwen moving in with Peter and Aunt May, so that's probably why I'm leaning towards that.
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Gwen and Peter didn't date until after Gwen died and came back. The second or third time MJ and Peter broke up, he started dating Gwen but it didn't really last long. They sort of had a brother and sister thing going on before that, and once she moved in with Peter & Aunt May she found Peter's Spider-Man stuff pretty quickly.

So we're skipping one year? So Miles is only going to be 14 still. That shouldn't make that much of a difference in his maturity or personality. Although having a year to process that his mom died because a monster came after Spider-Man will probably make a difference.

I'm also interested in the team aspect that's going to be coming into the book again. I really enjoyed it when Bobby, Johnny, and Gwen lived with Peter and now it's going to be Cloak, Dagger, Bombshell, Spidey, and Kate Bishop, Ganke, and Gwen. That should be fun.
 
Captain Canuck said:
Gwen and Peter didn't date until after Gwen died and came back. The second or third time MJ and Peter broke up, he started dating Gwen but it didn't really last long. They sort of had a brother and sister thing going on before that, and once she moved in with Peter & Aunt May she found Peter's Spider-Man stuff pretty quickly.
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Ah, that's right. Thanks for clearing that up, I'd completely forgotten.

So we're skipping one year? So Miles is only going to be 14 still. That shouldn't make that much of a difference in his maturity or personality. Although having a year to process that his mom died because a monster came after Spider-Man will probably make a difference.

I'm also interested in the team aspect that's going to be coming into the book again. I really enjoyed it when Bobby, Johnny, and Gwen lived with Peter and now it's going to be Cloak, Dagger, Bombshell, Spidey, and Kate Bishop, Ganke, and Gwen. That should be fun.
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Interesting, I enjoyed that larger cast/team aspect as well. I'd even love to see Aunt May introduced on a more regular basis attempting to help Miles, and maybe act as a surrogate mother figure for him after his mom's death, and as a way for May to honor Peter's memory.
 
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If the time jump is only a year that's not so bad. He can't not be Spiderman to long but still needs a timeframe to deal with his grief. I was worried he was going to go from a young teen to his 20's. That would be a mistake.
 
Ok 23 was a year later and really had no affect on the comic. I like how Miles and his dad are closer now. That should add to conflict later for him keeping his secret from him.
 
drvshft dazy said:
Ok 23 was a year later and really had no affect on the comic. I like how Miles and his dad are closer now. That should add to conflict later for him keeping his secret from him.
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I haven't read it yet, but when I read this post I thought, "His dad lives?" and then I remembered that his dad was okay but that his mom died. Shoot. That sucks, poor Miles. :(
 
drvshft dazy said:
Yes. You should. This is one of the few books I read that you really invest emotionally with the characters. And this one is gearing up to be more Spidy than the past has been I think.
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Nice. I've got them ready to read on my phone (along with all the other less than stellar Ultimate issues from the last 4 or 5 months), so I'll do so soon.
 
drvshft dazy said:
Yes. You should. This is one of the few books I read that you really invest emotionally with the characters. And this one is gearing up to be more Spidy than the past has been I think.
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Agreed (although I haven't read 23 yet). And this is the only Ultimate book worth reading right now.
 
E said:
Agreed (although I haven't read 23 yet). And this is the only Ultimate book worth reading right now.
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Just got caught up on USM (and the other Ultimate issues which were just...lackluster), but this still is holding up as a reliably good book. It'll be interesting to see how Miles deals with his mom's death. It'll also be interesting to explore his view of the police, since his mom was accidentally shot by a cop (wasn't she, I'll have to re-read it to double check). Granted the root of that event was his super-villains (Venom...though the reveal of who it was was disappointing).
 
I just read issue #24. It looks like Bendis is ramping up Roxxon again as a major player in his book. I forgot about the Roxxon brain trust from the Ultimate Doomsday trilogy. I had to look on Wikipedia to remember where they were from.
 
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This book is so good. I just don't understand why Marvel has to transplant Miles into the 616 universe. Just leave it as it is and cancel all the other books. Ugh.
 
Ice said:
Ending? We're talking about Miles being sent over to 616...
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Which I hate. Aside from the DIVIDED/UNITED tie-in issues, this has been a really strong book. I really, really dug this week's issue, too - a great ending, highlighting its strong characters. But it's an ending that is clearly meant to be the start of things, so to speak, not the ending. I wish I could get excited about this meaning that the series will start delving more into Miles' family, friends, relationship, and street-level superhero life, now that he's sure of his identity and his legacy and what all that stuff means.

But then I read the letters page. The little blurb at the top seems to imply some sort of...new status quo for Miles, and the rumors all seem to point to him becoming a 'canon immigrant.' So maybe we'll get more Miles. But what about Ganke? What about Jefferson? What about Kate and Judge? What about Cloak and Dagger, Bombshell, and Jessica? What about the Visions Academy, and the rest of Miles' world?

I love Miles, but he wasn't the only new thing to come out of Peter's death. He's part of a whole, and the rest of that whole deserves a chance to grow and develop more too.

So I sincerely hope you're right, wyokid. I hope "The end" in this case means the same thing as "the end" of Ultimate Spidey during Ultimatum did. I don't want Miles in 616. I want him in his world.
 
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Zeek said:
Which I hate. Aside from the DIVIDED/UNITED tie-in issues, this has been a really strong book. I really, really dug this week's issue, too - a great ending, highlighting its strong characters. But it's an ending that is clearly meant to be the start of things, so to speak, not the ending. I wish I could get excited about this meaning that the series will start delving more into Miles' family, friends, relationship, and street-level superhero life, now that he's sure of his identity and his legacy and what all that stuff means. But then I read the letters page. The little blurb at the top seems to imply some sort of...new status quo for Miles, and the rumors all seem to point to him becoming a 'canon immigrant.' So maybe we'll get more Miles. But what about Ganke? What about Jefferson? What about Kate and Judge? What about Cloak and Dagger, Bombshell, and Jessica? What about the Visions Academy, and the rest of Miles' world? I love Miles, but he wasn't the only new thing to come out of Peter's death. He's part of a whole, and the rest of that whole deserves a chance to grow and develop more too. So I sincerely hope you're right, wyokid. I hope "The end" in this case means the same thing as "the end" of Ultimate Spidey during Ultimatum did. I don't want Miles in 616. I want him in his world.
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Completely agree. Well said.
 

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